Cranjis McBasketball
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 30, 2022 0:23:12 GMT -5
And just the idea, "What is new WCW?"
Well, it's all the same people, but way, way, way, way, way, way, less money. We couldn't do much with all the money in the world, but you ought to see what we're going to do with 85K in our pockets!!!
And it gets f***ing sold, but Hogan, Sting, Nash, Hall, Goldberg, DDP, and Flair all those guys still sit out of their deals with Turner. So DDP wouldn't even have the dignity of being squashed by Taker.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 30, 2022 4:16:32 GMT -5
WCW doesn't get bought. Most of the undercard get cut in a mass bloodletting, while those with Time Warner deals sit them out and end up in WWE while WCW only really exists as a holding company for the library, which gains value once the DVD market really takes off. A few management changes and mergers later, there's a halfhearted attempt to revive the brand in an early evening weekend timeslot, without anyone recognisable as a WCW star. It fails to recapture the feel of WCW entirely or find an audience of it's own so only lasts a year, tops.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 30, 2022 4:41:26 GMT -5
83 Weeks is a phrase to trick you into thinking WCW ran for something substantial. It was a little better than a year and half. 95-01, given the start and end of Nitro, let's lop off 95 and 01. So, from 96-00, four years, WCW was in the lead for under half. And that doesn't count 90-96 when WCW was totally under WWF's thumb.
It was a company that got lucky with one hot angle made up of WWF stars and even that rested on Hogan deciding to turn, because if he doesn't, Sting being the 3rd man, there's no 83 Weeks, it's maybe 6 Weeks, if they got lucky.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 30, 2022 5:59:13 GMT -5
83 Weeks is a phrase to trick you into thinking WCW ran for something substantial. It was a little better than a year and half. 95-01, given the start and end of Nitro, let's lop off 95 and 01. So, from 96-00, four years, WCW was in the lead for under half. And that doesn't count 90-96 when WCW was totally under WWF's thumb. It was a company that got lucky with one hot angle made up of WWF stars and even that rested on Hogan deciding to turn, because if he doesn't, Sting being the 3rd man, there's no 83 Weeks, it's maybe 6 Weeks, if they got lucky. Nitro was beating Raw in the ratings prior to the NWO, without Hogan, face or heel. They didn't get lucky, WWF programming was utterly dire at that point, they were taping shows in highschool gyms for a reason. WCW was giving people big names, rising stars, major angles, lights, pyro and ballyhoo, live on a Monday night, while the WWF gave the world Rockabilly vs Duane Gill with interview segments with big stars who were feuding with pirates and clumsy men in baggy lamé bodysuits.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 30, 2022 9:34:08 GMT -5
83 Weeks is a phrase to trick you into thinking WCW ran for something substantial. It was a little better than a year and half. 95-01, given the start and end of Nitro, let's lop off 95 and 01. So, from 96-00, four years, WCW was in the lead for under half. And that doesn't count 90-96 when WCW was totally under WWF's thumb. It was a company that got lucky with one hot angle made up of WWF stars and even that rested on Hogan deciding to turn, because if he doesn't, Sting being the 3rd man, there's no 83 Weeks, it's maybe 6 Weeks, if they got lucky. Nitro was beating Raw in the ratings prior to the NWO, without Hogan, face or heel. They didn't get lucky, WWF programming was utterly dire at that point, they were taping shows in highschool gyms for a reason. WCW was giving people big names, rising stars, major angles, lights, pyro and ballyhoo, live on a Monday night, while the WWF gave the world Rockabilly vs Duane Gill with interview segments with big stars who were feuding with pirates and clumsy men in baggy lamé bodysuits. They were trading wins but WWF was still holding its own. The nWo kicked WCW into high gear, but they absolutely beat that into the ground, and couldn't capitalise.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 30, 2022 12:16:30 GMT -5
Nitro was beating Raw in the ratings prior to the NWO, without Hogan, face or heel. They didn't get lucky, WWF programming was utterly dire at that point, they were taping shows in highschool gyms for a reason. WCW was giving people big names, rising stars, major angles, lights, pyro and ballyhoo, live on a Monday night, while the WWF gave the world Rockabilly vs Duane Gill with interview segments with big stars who were feuding with pirates and clumsy men in baggy lamé bodysuits. They were trading wins but WWF was still holding its own. The nWo kicked WCW into high gear, but they absolutely beat that into the ground, and couldn't capitalise. It's not even just the nWo. They didn't capitalize on ANYTHING because they didn't approach success like a traditional wrestling company. They ran it like a television series, and everything else was secondary. They gave away their best stuff in throwaway Nitro matches because Monday night TV ratings were more important to them than PPV buys. Even though it seems Eric gets all the blame for this, I think it was more Ted's philosophy, because Ted's interest in WCW as a television property.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 30, 2022 12:22:34 GMT -5
They were trading wins but WWF was still holding its own. The nWo kicked WCW into high gear, but they absolutely beat that into the ground, and couldn't capitalise. It's not even just the nWo. They didn't capitalize on ANYTHING because they didn't approach success like a traditional wrestling company. They ran it like a television series, and everything else was secondary. They gave away their best stuff in throwaway Nitro matches because Monday night TV ratings were more important to them than PPV buys. Even though it seems Eric gets all the blame for this, I think it was more Ted's philosophy, because Ted's interest in WCW as a television property. From all accounts Ted only wanted wrestling on his network he didn't care too much otherwise.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 30, 2022 12:30:19 GMT -5
It's not even just the nWo. They didn't capitalize on ANYTHING because they didn't approach success like a traditional wrestling company. They ran it like a television series, and everything else was secondary. They gave away their best stuff in throwaway Nitro matches because Monday night TV ratings were more important to them than PPV buys. Even though it seems Eric gets all the blame for this, I think it was more Ted's philosophy, because Ted's interest in WCW as a television property. From all accounts Ted only wanted wrestling on his network he didn't care too much otherwise. Indeed, WCW were running at a loss from the moment Ted acquired the company, and it wasn't until they bought Hogan in and later the nWo angle that they actually turned business around. That's a good 5-6 years of wasted money, and Ted, as far as I know wasn't fussed because he just wanted wrestling on his networks.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 30, 2022 12:43:40 GMT -5
From all accounts Ted only wanted wrestling on his network he didn't care too much otherwise. Indeed, WCW were running at a loss from the moment Ted acquired the company, and it wasn't until they bought Hogan in and later the nWo angle that they actually turned business around. That's a good 5-6 years of wasted money, and Ted, as far as I know wasn't fussed because he just wanted wrestling on his networks. It wasn't until the NWO. Hogan himself didn't bring enough top make a profit.
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Post by David-Arquette was in WCW 2000 on Mar 30, 2022 12:49:28 GMT -5
Indeed, WCW were running at a loss from the moment Ted acquired the company, and it wasn't until they bought Hogan in and later the nWo angle that they actually turned business around. That's a good 5-6 years of wasted money, and Ted, as far as I know wasn't fussed because he just wanted wrestling on his networks. It wasn't until the NWO. Hogan himself didn't bring enough top make a profit. Yes, you're right. They were certainly doing better due to cost cutting measures, but they got out of the red with the nWo angle.
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Post by tafkaga on Mar 30, 2022 13:29:57 GMT -5
It's not even just the nWo. They didn't capitalize on ANYTHING because they didn't approach success like a traditional wrestling company. They ran it like a television series, and everything else was secondary. They gave away their best stuff in throwaway Nitro matches because Monday night TV ratings were more important to them than PPV buys. Even though it seems Eric gets all the blame for this, I think it was more Ted's philosophy, because Ted's interest in WCW as a television property. From all accounts Ted only wanted wrestling on his network he didn't care too much otherwise. But he also seemed interested in beating Vince, which to Ted meant having a more successful television show, which is why he opened up his wallet for Eric. So, Eric's focus was television ratings, to the detriment of the product as a whole.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 30, 2022 14:00:54 GMT -5
From all accounts Ted only wanted wrestling on his network he didn't care too much otherwise. But he also seemed interested in beating Vince, which to Ted meant having a more successful television show, which is why he opened up his wallet for Eric. So, Eric's focus was television ratings, to the detriment of the product as a whole. My understanding was "Beating Vince" was mostly Eric's goal
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 30, 2022 15:51:24 GMT -5
But he also seemed interested in beating Vince, which to Ted meant having a more successful television show, which is why he opened up his wallet for Eric. So, Eric's focus was television ratings, to the detriment of the product as a whole. My understanding was "Beating Vince" was mostly Eric's goal Yeah, when Turner was having issues, I forget with what, but someone suggested he offload WCW. He told them no and to never mention doing that again.
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 30, 2022 23:34:43 GMT -5
Two options.
Option 1: No one buys it and Time Warner/AOL shuts them down. Most likely scenario.
Option 2: Dixie Carter or someone like with a lot of money swoops down and buys it. Least likely scenario.
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