Deleted scenes that fix plot holes.

[Mozenrath]

Spider-Man 3 has a ton of problems, anyway, but an often asked question is why Harry's shitty butler doesn't bother to tell Harry until the very last minute, just about, that Spider-Man didn't kill Norman, that Norman died as a direct result of his own actions. I forget if it's a deleted scene, or just not shot, but it'd be revealed that the butler was a figment of Harry's mental state, and that Harry had known on some level that Norman was his own undoing, that Harry could just not bring himself to accept it when it was easier to lay the blame on someone that he could take it out on.

Sure would have been nice to not have the main villain of Spider-Man 3 be some random butler who just didn't feel like telling Harry something that'd have prevented almost every problem that occurs in the film from happening.

[Feyrhausen]

Apr 14, 2022 7:55:25 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Spider-Man 3 has a ton of problems, anyway, but an often asked question is why Harry's shitty butler doesn't bother to tell Harry until the very last minute, just about, that Spider-Man didn't kill Norman, that Norman died as a direct result of his own actions. I forget if it's a deleted scene, or just not shot, but it'd be revealed that the butler was a figment of Harry's mental state, and that Harry had known on some level that Norman was his own undoing, that Harry could just not bring himself to accept it when it was easier to lay the blame on someone that he could take it out on.

Sure would have been nice to not have the main villain of Spider-Man 3 be some random butler who just didn't feel like telling Harry something that'd have prevented almost every problem that occurs in the film from happening.

The butler being a hallucination is only fan theory as far as I know. I dont believe any scenes were shot or even scripted. Earlier in the movie Peter interacts with the butler so he would have only been a hallucination for the later scene.

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Ghostbusters 2 in general is missing a lot of scenes that would have helped.

[Feyrhausen]

Apr 14, 2022 17:54:33 GMT -5 @wvguitar said:

Ghostbusters 2 in general is missing a lot of scenes that would have helped.

That was my post that started the thread.

[Mozenrath]

Apr 14, 2022 16:54:43 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

Apr 14, 2022 7:55:25 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Spider-Man 3 has a ton of problems, anyway, but an often asked question is why Harry's shitty butler doesn't bother to tell Harry until the very last minute, just about, that Spider-Man didn't kill Norman, that Norman died as a direct result of his own actions. I forget if it's a deleted scene, or just not shot, but it'd be revealed that the butler was a figment of Harry's mental state, and that Harry had known on some level that Norman was his own undoing, that Harry could just not bring himself to accept it when it was easier to lay the blame on someone that he could take it out on.

Sure would have been nice to not have the main villain of Spider-Man 3 be some random butler who just didn't feel like telling Harry something that'd have prevented almost every problem that occurs in the film from happening.

The butler being a hallucination is only fan theory as far as I know. I dont believe any scenes were shot or even scripted. Earlier in the movie Peter interacts with the butler so he would have only been a hallucination for the later scene.

Ahh, I see. Then yeah, it's just horrifically bad writing. Obviously, sometimes people hold onto information for too long for any number of reasons, but they really could have tried harder than "not at all" to explain why he didn't say anything about Norman to Harry until he'd already been blown the f*** up.

[MolotovMocktail]

Mallrats never explains why Mr. Svenning hates TS, but an alternate opening (without Brodie giving the Cousin Walter story) has TS and Brandi on the roof, and he’s taking part in some Revolutionary War reenactment hosted by Mr. Svenning, and he accidentally shoots the governor with his musket, which the governor blames Svenning for (although even before that, TS says to Brandi, “Your dad hates me”). It also explains why someone says to Svenning, “We better not have any more trouble like at the Governor’s Ball.”

[Non Banjoble Tokens]

Apr 7, 2022 1:19:00 GMT -5 El Pollo Guerrera said:

The original home release doesn't have any deleted scenes included... but I feel that there's a lot of stuff missing from "The Snowman" that would help the movie make sense.

The movie definitely needed more Jamie Clayton.

[Feyrhausen]

Apr 14, 2022 21:16:28 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Mallrats never explains why Mr. Svenning hates TS, but an alternate opening (without Brodie giving the Cousin Walter story) has TS and Brandi on the roof, and he’s taking part in some Revolutionary War reenactment hosted by Mr. Svenning, and he accidentally shoots the governor with his musket, which the governor blames Svenning for (although even before that, TS says to Brandi, “Your dad hates me”). It also explains why someone says to Svenning, “We better not have any more trouble like at the Governor’s Ball.”

That whole opening was ditched as it took them to long to actually get to the mall in a movie called Mallrats.

There was another scene that got cut as part of cutting the opening. After picking up Brodie TS went back to talk to Brandi again. There were reporters there because of the "attempted assasination" so Brodie distracted them by giving an interview as Svennings neighbor. That was alluded too later in the shitpalm scene when Svenning referred to Brodie as his neighbor. This was also the reason for Rookers butt shot as the reporters were supposed to catch him naked.

Other than the references to the governors ball (no big deal) and the neighbor line (confusing) they did a pretty good job of editing around the lost opening. The worst cover was the BADLY dubbed line from the guy in the parking lot after TS and Brodie return from the flea market. He was supposed to say "Arent you the guy who shot the governor?". Instead he asked about Brandi and it is so horribly dubbed you would think it was intentional .

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Apr 15, 2022 6:45:45 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

Apr 14, 2022 21:16:28 GMT -5 MolotovMocktail said:

Mallrats never explains why Mr. Svenning hates TS, but an alternate opening (without Brodie giving the Cousin Walter story) has TS and Brandi on the roof, and he’s taking part in some Revolutionary War reenactment hosted by Mr. Svenning, and he accidentally shoots the governor with his musket, which the governor blames Svenning for (although even before that, TS says to Brandi, “Your dad hates me”). It also explains why someone says to Svenning, “We better not have any more trouble like at the Governor’s Ball.”

That whole opening was ditched as it took them to long to actually get to the mall in a movie called Mallrats.

There was another scene that got cut as part of cutting the opening. After picking up Brodie TS went back to talk to Brandi again. There were reporters there because of the "attempted assasination" so Brodie distracted them by giving an interview as Svennings neighbor. That was alluded too later in the shitpalm scene when Svenning referred to Brodie as his neighbor. This was also the reason for Rookers butt shot as the reporters were supposed to catch him naked.

Other than the references to the governors ball (no big deal) and the neighbor line (confusing) they did a pretty good job of editing around the lost opening. The worst cover was the BADLY dubbed line from the guy in the parking lot after TS and Brodie return from the flea market. He was supposed to say "Arent you the guy who shot the governor?". Instead he asked about Brandi and it is so horribly dubbed you would think it was intentional .

The extended cut of Mallrats is so, so bad.

[G✇JI☈A]

Hats Off Entertainment has a whole video on deleted scenes from “Planes, Trains, and Automobiles” that give better context to some scenes.

Including a scene in the first motel where Del orders a pizza and gives the delivery guy a lousy tip, the delivery guy is the guy that robs them.

A longer scene with Michael McKean’s character with him informing Neal and Del they are in Wisconsin and overshot and bypassed Chicago

[Hulkshi Tanahashi]

Apr 7, 2022 10:21:48 GMT -5 G✇JI☈A said:

The reason Sheriff Strickland has zero presence during the finale of “Back to the Future III”?


In a deleted scene he confronts Mad Dog Tannen and his gang on their way Hill Valley on the day of the duel.. Tannen through intimidation and outnumbering the sheriff and his young son manage to get Stickland to back down and ride away, but while riding away Tannen shoots him in the back, Tannen and his gang then make their way to Hill Valley, and with his dying words Sheriff Strickland says to his son.. “Remember son, Discipline”

This gives backstory on why Principal Strickland is well strict and a hardass.

But it does create a paradox… if Marty never went back in time to 1885, he would never have a run in with Mad Dog’s gang, the duel would not happen, and Sheriff Strickland would not try and stop it… oh I guess you could say … well it was originally Doc Brown in Marty’s situation.. but same deal,

This also explains by Strickland was so mean to Biff other than the fact that Strickland is mean to everyone: Biff great-grandfather killed Strickland's grandfather.

It might also explain why Strickland hated Marty. Maybe on some cosmic level, he knew that Marty was somehow responsible for his grandfather's death.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Idk it's it's necessarily Plothole related, but the Alternate Ending to I Am Legend made I Am Legend an infinitely better movie than what they went with

In what they went with, Will Smith just suicide blows up with the infected and the Mom and Kid ride off to look for help, in the alternate ending, we see so much more explained and shown with the infected and see humanity still within them despite how they've turned into their own essentially new species, and Will and the Mom and Daughter all ride off to look for help together.

It just made such a better ending, and much less abrupt, left things open for a sequel instead of essentially killing it dead.

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

A deleted scene from the Phantom Menace fixes why Anakin would be seen as dangerous to train, outside of Yoda's words and him being too old.

Anakin gets into a fight with Greedo, because Greedo said that he cheated. It shows the temper that Anakin has, and the "darkness" he has inside of him. Would have given us a glimpse of Vader in Episode I, and shown more before Episode III as to why he was so susceptible to the Dark Side.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Apologies if this was mentioned, but Saruman's last scene

[Chainsaw]

Apr 15, 2022 22:23:35 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Idk it's it's necessarily Plothole related, but the Alternate Ending to I Am Legend made I Am Legend an infinitely better movie than what they went with

In what they went with, Will Smith just suicide blows up with the infected and the Mom and Kid ride off to look for help, in the alternate ending, we see so much more explained and shown with the infected and see humanity still within them despite how they've turned into their own essentially new species, and Will and the Mom and Daughter all ride off to look for help together.

It just made such a better ending, and much less abrupt, left things open for a sequel instead of essentially killing it dead.

It's one of the rare times where a happier, more Hollywood ending actually made a movie's storytelling better.

And the funny thing is, despite them killing of Smith's character, apparently they're making a sequel with Will and Michael B. Jordan. So, how's that going to work? (Although with Will being in the news for the wrong reasons, how it's going to work might not even be a concern anymore).

[Jedi-El of Tomorrow]

Apr 18, 2022 2:36:23 GMT -5 Chainsaw said:

Apr 15, 2022 22:23:35 GMT -5 Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] said:

Idk it's it's necessarily Plothole related, but the Alternate Ending to I Am Legend made I Am Legend an infinitely better movie than what they went with

In what they went with, Will Smith just suicide blows up with the infected and the Mom and Kid ride off to look for help, in the alternate ending, we see so much more explained and shown with the infected and see humanity still within them despite how they've turned into their own essentially new species, and Will and the Mom and Daughter all ride off to look for help together.

It just made such a better ending, and much less abrupt, left things open for a sequel instead of essentially killing it dead.

It's one of the rare times where a happier, more Hollywood ending actually made a movie's storytelling better.

And the funny thing is, despite them killing of Smith's character, apparently they're making a sequel with Will and Michael B. Jordan. So, how's that going to work? (Although with Will being in the news for the wrong reasons, how it's going to work might not even be a concern anymore).

They'll go with the alternate ending, which should have been the ending.

[Feyrhausen]

Thought of a half one. Not a plot hole necessarily but it makes the scene make more sense.

In Dogma Jay and Bob are bidding against a gang for a strippers attention. Jay and Bob win and the gang seems upset but the scene then ends with Rufus recognizing the stripper as a muse. Later Jay and Bob have been made members of the gang and the gang then gets taken out by a monster.

In the deleted scene the gang threatens Jay and Bob for out bidding them. Jay then spouts off some really racist stuff before finding out Bob doesnt have a gun to defend them. The muse then inspires them to sing and dance the Fat Albert theme song, ala Pee Wees Big Adventure. This amuses the gang who forgive them and explaining why they were later made members.

[Hulkshi Tanahashi]

Apr 23, 2022 10:23:14 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

Thought of a half one. Not a plot hole necessarily but it makes the scene make more sense.

In Dogma Jay and Bob are bidding against a gang for a strippers attention. Jay and Bob win and the gang seems upset but the scene then ends with Rufus recognizing the stripper as a muse. Later Jay and Bob have been made members of the gang and the gang then gets taken out by a monster.

In the deleted scene the gang threatens Jay and Bob for out bidding them. Jay then spouts off some really racist stuff before finding out Bob doesnt have a gun to defend them. The muse then inspires them to sing and dance the Fat Albert theme song, ala Pee Wees Big Adventure. This amuses the gang who forgive them and explaining why they were later made members.

On a related note, cable versions of the movie leave out the part where everyone has to fight a demon that attacks the strip club. The reason: the demon is made out of shit. They subdue it, and Salma Hayek's character sticks around to interrogate it while the others go off on their mission. On the cable version, this part is left out, so it looks like they just leave Salma Hayek at the strip club; and then she just shows up near the end for seemingly no reason.

[Feyrhausen]

Apr 23, 2022 10:55:56 GMT -5 Hulkshi Tanahashi said:

Apr 23, 2022 10:23:14 GMT -5 Feyrhausen said:

Thought of a half one. Not a plot hole necessarily but it makes the scene make more sense.

In Dogma Jay and Bob are bidding against a gang for a strippers attention. Jay and Bob win and the gang seems upset but the scene then ends with Rufus recognizing the stripper as a muse. Later Jay and Bob have been made members of the gang and the gang then gets taken out by a monster.

In the deleted scene the gang threatens Jay and Bob for out bidding them. Jay then spouts off some really racist stuff before finding out Bob doesnt have a gun to defend them. The muse then inspires them to sing and dance the Fat Albert theme song, ala Pee Wees Big Adventure. This amuses the gang who forgive them and explaining why they were later made members.

On a related note, cable versions of the movie leave out the part where everyone has to fight a demon that attacks the strip club. The reason: the demon is made out of shit. They subdue it, and Salma Hayek's character sticks around to interrogate it while the others go off on their mission. On the cable version, this part is left out, so it looks like they just leave Salma Hayek at the strip club; and then she just shows up near the end for seemingly no reason.

I mean why would you ever watch a Kevin Smith movie on basic cable? Thats like dating a mermaid with no mouth either.

[Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill]

Apr 6, 2022 18:41:25 GMT -5 G✇JI☈A said:

In Return of the Jedi.. when things started going the rebels way on the forest moon, why didn’t The Emperor order the Death Star to fire on the planet?

In a deleted scene this actually happened, but an officer (the one that meets Vader in the docking bay at the start of the film) stationed at the cannon control refused to follow that order because of the imperials stationed on the moon.

IIRC the Commander didn't refuse the order, he and the other officers were just hesitant about it. Wouldn't exactly call it a plot hole either considering that scene doesn't actually add anything substantial to the movie.