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Post by Dub H on Apr 11, 2022 5:28:48 GMT -5
Well big Dave said a whole lot of nothing there. A lot of maybe's, might's, and could's. Classic Meltz really…. He is writing about the very possible dangers of the change of guard on a Newtwork, its not bad to be aware he is not the one going around posting baity headlines.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Apr 11, 2022 6:14:18 GMT -5
When Turner reshuffle a year or 2 ago many worried that it would effect AEW negatively as well. She ended up doing more for thr AEW/Warner relationship.
But that reads worse than it actually was said. What Meltz was saying was the new people in charge may want to go a different direction.
And as many have said the sale of WCE had more to do with the AOL/Warner media losing A LOT of money and WCW was also not the only property that was sold off. Also worth mentioning that while losing the TV deal has been cited as the main reason Fusient backed out of buying WCw, the bigger issue was Kelner kept changing parameters of the deal to the point they just said screw it.
But again way too early to tell. For all we know Tony Khan may already be involved with the new heads
Also worth noting the new CEO David Zaslaf was with NBC Universal for a long time including overseeing USA and SciFi so he kind of has a history with wrestling.
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Post by Glitch on Apr 11, 2022 6:32:16 GMT -5
Executive:"Tony, the thing about blood on your show-"
Tony:"You see-"
Executive:"why is there so little? There should be crimson geysers in every show!!"
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Post by Vice honcho room temperature on Apr 11, 2022 7:42:38 GMT -5
They'll agree to a re-up. But a 1/4 of the screen will be taken up by reruns of Young Sheldon. I want them to do the little PIP Young Sheldon explaining very basic wrestling moves as they happen, like they did with the NFL playoff games on Nickelodeon. “That was an Irish Whip…I, uh, I don’t actually know how or why that works.” All blood is now CGI'd as "slime"
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 7:55:05 GMT -5
I'll worry about it if it happens.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Apr 11, 2022 8:00:45 GMT -5
Imagine if Impact outlives yet another wrestling promotion.
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Post by 4TheGlory on Apr 11, 2022 8:06:41 GMT -5
Regardless of Turner, once AEW's current deal is up there will be plenty of networks bidding over it. It's already a proven commodity that is showing growth. A network would be foolish to not want in on that.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Apr 11, 2022 8:06:49 GMT -5
Its amazing how Meltzer saying "New person in charge of company may have stigma of wrestling and blood", with zero evidence of such, and it gets so so so much play online. Im sure she is in the business of getting rid of one of Turner's highest rated shows because "wrestling is icky."
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Post by Kalmia on Apr 11, 2022 8:18:33 GMT -5
A lot of things can happen in a year or two. Even if it was worse case scenario and AEW lost their deal, I don't think they'd have a problem finding another partner. AEW might even be in the position to make bank by going 100% streaming, either on their own service or as a weekly release on a larger one like HBO Max.
I think AEW will be fine and expect the TBS/TNT deal to be renewed.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Apr 11, 2022 8:41:59 GMT -5
They'll agree to a re-up. But a 1/4 of the screen will be taken up by reruns of Young Sheldon. I want them to do the little PIP Young Sheldon explaining very basic wrestling moves as they happen, like they did with the NFL playoff games on Nickelodeon. “That was an Irish Whip…I, uh, I don’t actually know how or why that works.” “MOMENTUM, BITCH!!” (I’m workshopping a future where AEW ends up on AMC+ and Aaron Paul hosts it in-character as Jesse Pinkman. )
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Post by Zombie Mod on Apr 11, 2022 8:45:34 GMT -5
Imagine if Impact outlives yet another wrestling promotion. it's going to outlive the heat death of the universe.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 11, 2022 8:53:14 GMT -5
Its amazing how Meltzer saying "New person in charge of company may have stigma of wrestling and blood", with zero evidence of such, and it gets so so so much play online. Im sure she is in the business of getting rid of one of Turner's highest rated shows because "wrestling is icky." I doubt she will get rid of AEW and even if she did, they wouldn’t have a lot of trouble finding a new home given their numbers, but it’s not unprecedented for networks to give up on wrestling despite strong numbers. Turner did it once before with WCW (which obviously was more of a death knell for the company because Turner owned it) and the CW did it with Smackdown in an effort to rebrand.
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Post by Dub H on Apr 11, 2022 8:54:39 GMT -5
Executive:"Tony, the thing about blood on your show-" Tony:"You see-" Executive:"why is there so little? There should be crimson geysers in every show!!" "That Yuta Boy should Bleed More"
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Post by eJm on Apr 11, 2022 8:55:43 GMT -5
Its amazing how Meltzer saying "New person in charge of company may have stigma of wrestling and blood", with zero evidence of such, and it gets so so so much play online. Im sure she is in the business of getting rid of one of Turner's highest rated shows because "wrestling is icky." I mean, the evidence is "every merger and change in management in the history of media". You can look at the entire AT&T/WarnerMedia merger for something that wrecked shop up and down the company, not even just because of the actual merger but what the delay in it happening caused.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Apr 11, 2022 9:09:35 GMT -5
It's a reasonable fear; even just a massive change to the network execs would kind of be a big change. The amount of politics and bullshit that goes on with networks in terms of people jockeying to get their projects going and trying to dump on things in their way/in the time slots they want could make a wrestling locker room back in the day look like a cuddle pile. AEW has received a lot of love from Turner, and also some big commitments in terms of finding them a reliable home for nights where something was in their slot, whether a different start time or a different night altogether. A show that has less love from the network would have ended up in some hell basement hour way more often than Dynamite has. Stuff like Battle for the Belts? Also a move that helps AEW and gets them some more money but also could easily go poof if someone thinks there's too much wrestling on their network. Hell, right now the TNT and TBS twitters say "Scorpio Sky is our champion" and "Jade Cargill is our champion" and that's the whole of their twitter bios. There is no other show being advertised in their twitter bios. Someone who thinks their pet projects would be better and do better, or who wants to start f***ing around with the slot so they can make AEW seem like it's lost favour and then boot it when it seems like the show has failed and they aren't an insane person for cutting off a successful property? Doesn't take much.
AEW has it good but I would absolutely be concerned until they have a read on who's coming into that position and how they view AEW. Network change-ups can sometimes spell death for a show.
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Post by AEW19 on Apr 11, 2022 9:14:29 GMT -5
All speculation until we see a statement. I do find it funny that Tony is in talks for a second wrestling show to be a part of Warnermedia so they can't be that desperate to offload, but now this narrative is prevalent on twitter.
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Post by oxbaker on Apr 11, 2022 9:38:10 GMT -5
All speculation until we see a statement. I do find it funny that Tony is in talks for a second wrestling show to be a part of Warnermedia so they can't be that desperate to offload, but now this narrative is prevalent on twitter. I’d say the same about any ROH deal — Tony says they’ve had talks is not an announcement that ROH is going to be on TBS/TNT. And we don’t know if he’s even had any contact with the new person in charge yet. So all we really know is we don’t know anything. And I think it’s clear AEW/Tony don’t know anything yet about how AEW will be regarded by the new regime. Best case is they want it and extend the current deal/up the money sooner rather than letting it go til end of the contract. Worse case is, well, I think we know what that is.
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Post by nihilismizhawt on Apr 11, 2022 9:59:15 GMT -5
Its amazing how Meltzer saying "New person in charge of company may have stigma of wrestling and blood", with zero evidence of such, and it gets so so so much play online. Im sure she is in the business of getting rid of one of Turner's highest rated shows because "wrestling is icky." I mean, the evidence is "every merger and change in management in the history of media". You can look at the entire AT&T/WarnerMedia merger for something that wrecked shop up and down the company, not even just because of the actual merger but what the delay in it happening caused. Yeah, but the wreckage in the purchase of Warner by AT + T didn't affect AEW. And you can also look at mergers all through history that don't affect one TV show. AT + T purchasing Warners was a bad idea, and people in business knew it. AT + T acknowledging their mistake is what led them to spin off Warners and sell it to someone with experience in media, and that's Discovery+. Other than WCW, owned by Turner at the time, where is the "We don't like pro wrestling so it's canceled on our network" evidence "in the history of media." Impact was affected by Dixie's management style, Sinclair had huge problems making payroll for ROH because of debt. I just don't see any evidence that just because someone new is in charge, wrestling will be affected. There is no evidence from the actual people who run Discovery that they think any less of AEW than the people who took over when AT + T bought it.
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Post by eJm on Apr 11, 2022 10:07:13 GMT -5
Hell, right now the TNT and TBS twitters say "Scorpio Sky is our champion" and "Jade Cargill is our champion" and that's the whole of their twitter bios. There is no other show being advertised in their twitter bios. To throw in something else associating with that; This was posted on International Women's Day and, yeah, this stuff is usually a way for companies to pat themselves on the back, that's still Jade Cargill being whose represented for AEW for Warner Media. It would have been easier to not include anyone from AEW but having Jade with the other people is a pretty big endorsement. Yeah, but the wreckage in the purchase of Warner by AT + T didn't affect AEW. That was mostly because it was barely entering the door when it happened. That's the point, there's absolutely no guarantee it won't suddenly changed. The AT&T/WarnerMedia merger was why TruTV was gutted and shows like Adam Ruins Everything, the highest show on the network at the time, was axed. It was why OKKO was axed for Cartoon Network along with other CN/AS projects. There's likely other stories we don't know about because that stuff is hidden by agreements and such. There's a stronger likelihood of them being fine than not (I'd say 70% considering what I've shown above and everything else going for them) but the CW example someone said earlier where Smackdown, their highest-rated show at the time, was axed shows that it's not guaranteed either. All speculation until we see a statement. I do find it funny that Tony is in talks for a second wrestling show to be a part of Warnermedia so they can't be that desperate to offload, but now this narrative is prevalent on twitter. I’d say the same about any ROH deal — Tony says they’ve had talks is not an announcement that ROH is going to be on TBS/TNT. And we don’t know if he’s even had any contact with the new person in charge yet. So all we really know is we don’t know anything. And I think it’s clear AEW/Tony don’t know anything yet about how AEW will be regarded by the new regime. Best case is they want it and extend the current deal/up the money sooner rather than letting it go til end of the contract. Worse case is, well, I think we know what that is. The Final Space creator recently said he sent a text to one of the Warner execs staying on asking if there was a possibility of a Final Space finale movie of some kind happening and the reply was basically "Don't lose hope" which isn't a definitive answer because of everything going on, but it could be as simple as a text being sent and someone saying "We'll let you know in a few" because they might not even be the go-to person in a couple of weeks.
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Post by polarbearpete on Apr 11, 2022 10:28:26 GMT -5
I mean, the evidence is "every merger and change in management in the history of media". You can look at the entire AT&T/WarnerMedia merger for something that wrecked shop up and down the company, not even just because of the actual merger but what the delay in it happening caused. Yeah, but the wreckage in the purchase of Warner by AT + T didn't affect AEW. And you can also look at mergers all through history that don't affect one TV show. AT + T purchasing Warners was a bad idea, and people in business knew it. AT + T acknowledging their mistake is what led them to spin off Warners and sell it to someone with experience in media, and that's Discovery+. Other than WCW, owned by Turner at the time, where is the "We don't like pro wrestling so it's canceled on our network" evidence "in the history of media." Impact was affected by Dixie's management style, Sinclair had huge problems making payroll for ROH because of debt. I just don't see any evidence that just because someone new is in charge, wrestling will be affected. There is no evidence from the actual people who run Discovery that they think any less of AEW than the people who took over when AT + T bought it. The CW did it with Smackdown, if you’re looking for other wrestling examples.
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