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Post by Lance Uppercut on May 5, 2022 12:55:15 GMT -5
I mean 19-22 year olds they hire from scratch.
They do this every couple of years. And while the wrestling media like to point out how old the wwe roster is, and yes the future is important, don’t you think it’s kind of leads to other issues?
You’d get a the situation where you have guys like miz and Ziggler hanging around forever just toiling the Mid card. Or guys like Cena and Orton just hogging the main event for 15-20 years. Especially if you give them the title too early and they start working their way down fueding over the US title after being world champion. Or they become just a a huge annoying weight dragging down the show like Kane or the big show.
Also, now with more options (and this applies to AEW and thief future pillars), you risk the chance that you do all this work to build up a guy and then they leave and the other company gets the finished product.
I like that AEW giving all this shine to long time I ndependent wrestlers that the E gives no love. They’re older, but tv young. So you got a huge long line of experienced veterans that haven’t been over exposed and you don’t have to wait for them to hit their stride.
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 13:12:43 GMT -5
The new plan isn't for anyone to work there 15-20 years. It's to get people when they're young, indoctrinate them into the system so they'll consistently work for less money because they don't know anything else or be replaced.
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Post by sportatorium on May 5, 2022 13:16:49 GMT -5
I've honestly stopped trying to find any rhyme or reason to anything they do. Most of the people who should have been lining that Mania card are all working for AEW. WWE will rely on part timers, celebrities and attractions until they can't do it anymore at their big events. Their youth movement is throwing things against the wall & hoping something sticks.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 5, 2022 13:17:44 GMT -5
Cena and Orton hogging the main event was a feature not a bug.
If they get you young and dumb they can possibly brainwash you and keep you there forever and run you into the ground.
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 13:22:45 GMT -5
I've honestly stopped trying to find any rhyme or reason to anything they do. Most of the people who should have been lining that Mania card are all working for AEW. WWE will rely on part timers, celebrities and attractions until they can't do it anymore at their big events. Their youth movement is throwing things against the wall & hoping something sticks. They're approaching a company that honestly does rely on the talent of performers, like a sports league would, the way a company like Walmart looks at employees. Everyone is expendable, the bottom line above all else etc. They legit believe that no matter who or what they put on screen they'll do the ratings they do now and people will keep showing up for big shows. It's why they want to do a bunch of stadium PPVs now, anything to spike the bottom line. |
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Post by Bo Rida on May 5, 2022 13:27:17 GMT -5
I don't think many will hang around forever in the same way as your examples.
A select few chosen ones will, the rest will be released once their cost exceeds their projected return. Some of those might be bought back later if they do well elsewhere.
A few stars made elsewhere will also be bought in like AJ Styles.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2022 13:54:29 GMT -5
When you've had superstars like Cena, Orton, Lesnar and then later on guys like the entire Shield and even stars like Sasha and hell, Alexa Bliss, they just seem to think that hey, these young stars are the future and they're where it's at. What they don't look at however is that while these stars are great examples, look at the amount of others who were older and contributed just as much when given the chance.
Besides AJ, there's not many older stars Vince gave the green light too. Surely, they'd do well given their added experience and patience but alas, that's Vince.
It's just Vince's whole ageism thing which is ironic because apparently when it comes to him and his family, it doesn't mean shit. If you're older 35 to Vince you're trash but if you're over 45 in his family, hey you're already a God.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 5, 2022 14:05:29 GMT -5
When you've had superstars like Cena, Orton, Lesnar and then later on guys like the entire Shield and even stars like Sasha and hell, Alexa Bliss, they just seem to think that hey, these young stars are the future and they're where it's at. What they don't look at however is that while these stars are great examples, look at the amount of others who were older and contributed just as much when given the chance. Besides AJ, there's not many older stars Vince gave the green light too. Surely, they'd do well given their added experience and patience but alas, that's Vince. It's just Vince's whole ageism thing which is ironic because apparently when it comes to him and his family, it doesn't mean shit. If you're older 35 to Vince you're trash but if you're over 45 in his family, hey you're already a God. WWE doesnt realize that it took guys like Eddie Guerrero, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, Kane to get stars like Cena, Orton, and the Shield to the next level. When they fill the roster with barely trained kids then who will get the next legit superstar they manage to find to that level? |
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 14:08:42 GMT -5
When you've had superstars like Cena, Orton, Lesnar and then later on guys like the entire Shield and even stars like Sasha and hell, Alexa Bliss, they just seem to think that hey, these young stars are the future and they're where it's at. What they don't look at however is that while these stars are great examples, look at the amount of others who were older and contributed just as much when given the chance. Besides AJ, there's not many older stars Vince gave the green light too. Surely, they'd do well given their added experience and patience but alas, that's Vince. It's just Vince's whole ageism thing which is ironic because apparently when it comes to him and his family, it doesn't mean shit. If you're older 35 to Vince you're trash but if you're over 45 in his family, hey you're already a God. WWE doesnt realize that it took guys like Eddie Guerrero, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, Kane to get stars like Cena, Orton, and the Shield to the next level. When they fill the roster with barely trained kids then who will get the next legit superstar they manage to find to that level? Honestly, they won't find that star. They've been trying to smash Roman over for nearly a decade and he can't sniff any of those guys. They also don't really want anyone to get "that" over, no one is bigger than the brand now. |
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Post by Raw is Doodie101 on May 5, 2022 15:21:25 GMT -5
WWE has a system and a way of doing things that they like doing TV & style. It's easier to train young athletes early & get them established into the system rather than signing older wrestlers who might be set in their ways but they aren't using older wrestlers if they're that damn good or have previous WWE experience but have gone and gotten better.
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Post by thehottag on May 5, 2022 15:28:00 GMT -5
Vince does this every so often, he decides to jack in everybody he deems 'past it', whether it's announcers, commentators or wrestlers, & brings in younger models whilst giving the show a fresh coat of paint.
It's certainly an idea - at least it would be, if it wasn't all still being controlled by the same geriatric egomaniac. Weird how Vince never thinks he's too old, eh?
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 5, 2022 17:01:34 GMT -5
It's all about controi. They want to own the careers of their handpicked top talent from cradle to grave so nobody else can profit from them, even if doing so doesn't impact the WWE's bottom line in any meaningful way. Top Indie talent generally have some appreciation of their value, how much profit they can make from merch while Johnny Lacrosse, fresh from college sports, does not and will accept being paid minimum wage while they learn to take bumps the WWE way. Seriously, Cezar Bononi was paid $600 for most of his run, rising to $700 a week before he was abruptly cut at the beginning of the pandemic.
The people barely out of their teens will quickly develop behavioural issues the way Randy Orton, Brock, Paige, Teddy Hart and others have, as the WWE have forgotten why they stopped signing kids to begin with.
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Post by Bo Rida on May 5, 2022 17:05:40 GMT -5
When you've had superstars like Cena, Orton, Lesnar and then later on guys like the entire Shield and even stars like Sasha and hell, Alexa Bliss, they just seem to think that hey, these young stars are the future and they're where it's at. What they don't look at however is that while these stars are great examples, look at the amount of others who were older and contributed just as much when given the chance. Besides AJ, there's not many older stars Vince gave the green light too. Surely, they'd do well given their added experience and patience but alas, that's Vince. It's just Vince's whole ageism thing which is ironic because apparently when it comes to him and his family, it doesn't mean shit. If you're older 35 to Vince you're trash but if you're over 45 in his family, hey you're already a God. WWE doesnt realize that it took guys like Eddie Guerrero, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, Kane to get stars like Cena, Orton, and the Shield to the next level. When they fill the roster with barely trained kids then who will get the next legit superstar they manage to find to that level? Yeah I can see the logic in their approach, could even approve of it if they honoured contracts but long-term I can't see it being sustainable for that reason. The current batch of top guys and girls will start to retire or go part-time and their replacements will be a little less wise each time. Most of the current batch are essentially homegrown with a dwindling few like, AJ, Finn, Sami and KO having the most experience outside WWE (I'm sure I've forgotten some). It will result in less knowledge being passed on and an ever more homogenised product. |
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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 5, 2022 17:23:55 GMT -5
It's all about controi. They want to own the careers of their handpicked top talent from cradle to grave so nobody else can profit from them, even if doing so doesn't impact the WWE's bottom line in any meaningful way. Top Indie talent generally have some appreciation of their value, how much profit they can make from merch while Johnny Lacrosse, fresh from college sports, does not and will accept being paid minimum wage while they learn to take bumps the WWE way. Seriously, Cezar Bononi was paid $600 for most of his run, rising to $700 a week before he was abruptly cut at the beginning of the pandemic. The people barely out of their teens will quickly develop behavioural issues the way Randy Orton, Brock, Paige, Teddy Hart and others have, as the WWE have forgotten why they stopped signing kids to begin with. Cezar Bonini was in his late 20s when he started,and 22-23 year old Johnny Lacrosse or Johnny NFL practice squad reject probably has a 4 year college degree and will leave or mentally check out from the sport if they don't see a path to NXT relevance or even making it on the main roster. I am not a fan of the youth movement,however I at least think the people they are recruiting (college graduate athletes) won't end up with behaivoral or drug problems like the FWC/OVW era which was mostly legacy kids who started training as teenagers and models and bodybuilders chasing the carrot of fame. |
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Post by Mecca on May 5, 2022 18:25:37 GMT -5
It's all about controi. They want to own the careers of their handpicked top talent from cradle to grave so nobody else can profit from them, even if doing so doesn't impact the WWE's bottom line in any meaningful way. Top Indie talent generally have some appreciation of their value, how much profit they can make from merch while Johnny Lacrosse, fresh from college sports, does not and will accept being paid minimum wage while they learn to take bumps the WWE way. Seriously, Cezar Bononi was paid $600 for most of his run, rising to $700 a week before he was abruptly cut at the beginning of the pandemic. The people barely out of their teens will quickly develop behavioural issues the way Randy Orton, Brock, Paige, Teddy Hart and others have, as the WWE have forgotten why they stopped signing kids to begin with. Cezar Bonini was in his late 20s when he started,and 22-23 year old Johnny Lacrosse or Johnny NFL practice squad reject probably has a 4 year college degree and will leave or mentally check out from the sport if they don't see a path to NXT relevance or even making it on the main roster. I am not a fan of the youth movement,however I at least think the people they are recruiting (college graduate athletes) won't end up with behaivoral or drug problems like the FWC/OVW era which was mostly legacy kids who started training as teenagers and models and bodybuilders chasing the carrot of fame. They're still gonna look at models and bodybuilders too.... |
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 5, 2022 18:27:11 GMT -5
Part of the cycle comes from WWE's flawed approaches; hiring credible indie talent and pushing them onto TV was absolutely a Triple H move, but it also came amid the struggles of the OVW/FCW years and the utter dearth of stars they made from it. So many people who got called up, washed out, and got booted. Problem was, in trying all these new talents, it was clear Vince wasn't really going to break from his habits and he had no idea how to handle most of them, so the few who were too good to ignore got their big step and enough failed for Vince to decide the experiment and not his methods was a failure, so now it's time to shift gears, get cheap labour from young wrestlers with no idea how to do anything, and try to find all your homegrown megastars again. One extreme to the other. Neither work, but nothing in WWE is ever done small.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2022 11:57:04 GMT -5
I really don't see the problem in letting the indies do the "hard work" of training someone, and then letting NXT be the finishing school before you're sent up to the main roster. I've heard about stupid things like "indie bad habits" or whatever, but I'm 99.9% sure that's a pretty correctable thing, especially when your paycheck depends on it.
Problem though is that college athletes and bodybuilders and men of large stature are generally not going to toil away on the indies making 50$ a night at best, especially when most of them probably don't give a shit about wrestling in the first place.
I don't claim to have the business acumen that Vince does, here, but the "premier athlete" types tend to be more like Brock, who has repeatedly bent Vince over a barrel financially and gets damn near whatever he wants, because wrestling is business to him first, not an art or a passion. I'm not knocking Brock for that, it's smart, but seems to me it's easier to sell guys on working for less if they already have a passion for wrestling instead of going for guys who are all about the money first, like Brock.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 6, 2022 13:06:22 GMT -5
WWE doesnt realize that it took guys like Eddie Guerrero, Mick Foley, Undertaker, Daniel Bryan, Kane to get stars like Cena, Orton, and the Shield to the next level. When they fill the roster with barely trained kids then who will get the next legit superstar they manage to find to that level? Honestly, they won't find that star. They've been trying to smash Roman over for nearly a decade and he can't sniff any of those guys. They also don't really want anyone to get "that" over, no one is bigger than the brand now. It's my honest belief that John Cena was the last mega over superface they're ever going to have, at least as long as Vince is around. |
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 6, 2022 13:51:02 GMT -5
People seem to have forgotten that the big indie hiring spree wasn't done because Triple H or the WWE management thought they'd be the next big stars, it was done in large part to hurt ROH and the indies and give NXT access to the indie audience when they set off as a touring brand while cutting genuine indies off at the knees.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 6, 2022 14:48:40 GMT -5
It's something you have to do at some point. This time they waited way too long imo. If they would've just kept having NXT as a developmental brand like it's supposed to be instead of making it super indy workrate league then they wouldn't be in the mess they are in currently where almost all of their main eventers are 35 or older and most cases well into their 40's and have all been on TV for at least a decade with no one developed or ready enough to replace them.
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