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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2022 12:08:34 GMT -5
I think Triple H's reign right now is worst because at the time you had 3 babyfaces get white hot that arguably could/should have won the belt in RVD/Booker/Kane but they didn't that being said, HBK winning the title, Benoit's win and putting over Batista are big plus moves. Roman I actually think has been a great heel the issue is that there's NOBODY to fight him and they're prolonging the reign for a yet to be finalized match with the Rock. It really felt like they were building for Big E to be the one to dethrone Roman, and plans changed... then Big E as a champ was a disaster (no fault of his). In theory the only two people right now who are easily close to the level of credible challengers are Lashley and Drew. I think you could get Cody to that point as well I will absolutely say if we’re really comparing the two, racism trumps “lack of real challengers” and the fact that the Booker T match is still a massive blemish on HHH’s career 20 years later says a lot about how much of a dropped ball and genuinely disgusting storyline it was. Roman’s time, if anything, is the embodiment of how bad WWE has been with babyfaces in the last 5 years. Even with Drew, someone they went out of their way to give him his moment and be one of the few people to definitively beat Brock (something Roman couldn’t do without shenanigans before this year), they didn’t even have him beat Lashley last year in one of the easiest slam dunks. Basically, both are terrible, one mostly out of ego and the other out of forgetting where your bread and butter was made. |
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 9, 2022 12:15:29 GMT -5
Roman is easily worse. Triple H occasionally lost and faces got one over on him. Roman’s team can’t even lose a meaningless six man tag. Roman is currently booked even stronger than Hogan in the 80s-early 90s. Yeah, Hogan won the feuds. But they still understood then that you had to sometimes have Hogan be laid out to make his opponent look like a threat. They did a whole storyline where Hogan got destroyed by Earthqauke and was gone for months. And even peak WCW creative control Clause Hogan would occasionally lose. Or just look like a coward/run away. He lost to Piper via *sleeper* less than 6 months into his heel run |
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Post by Chiral on May 9, 2022 12:20:06 GMT -5
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 9, 2022 12:26:36 GMT -5
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Post by "The Natural" Bustin Loads on May 9, 2022 12:52:34 GMT -5
With the caveat that I don't watch Smackdown .... it's Triple H's and not even close IMO. I say that as a big fan of his too.
Roman's matches are better. Crowds are far hotter/more invested - many are even fans of The Bloodline. He looks like a bigger deal and not a cosplay of an idol of his. He's in his physical prime and the best version of his character (who knows for how much longer given previous health concerns, but still). He finally beat Brock and cemented himself in that S+ tier so I personally have little issue with all his victories.
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2022 12:54:29 GMT -5
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Post by asuka007 on May 9, 2022 13:24:15 GMT -5
They did a whole storyline where Hogan got destroyed by Earthqauke and was gone for months. And even peak WCW creative control Clause Hogan would occasionally lose. Or just look like a coward/run away. He lost to Piper via *sleeper* less than 6 months into his heel run He also submitted to Lex Luger. Lost to Goldberg. Was running scared from Sting and Warrior a lot, etc. |
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on May 9, 2022 15:27:38 GMT -5
Since it's Triple H up to 2005 then it's Reigns easily as Triple H wasn't bad at all in 2004-05. Lost feuds decisively to Benoit and Batista, put over Shelton Benjmain, and didn't mind playing the goof and showing ass from time with stuff like him in Eugene's bouncy castle or getting green misted by Tajiri and then screaming at Eric Bischoff with the mist still in his face how he wanted a match with Tajiri and continuing for a minute after Bischoff had left the room not knowing due to him not being able to see. Yeah he also won feuds against Eugene, HBK, and Orton but those were kind of no harm no foul in that he honestly should've won those feuds. Eugene was a midcard comedy character, HBK was a 40 year old legend figure, and nobody liked Orton as a face.
However if we are talking just 02-03 then I would say Triple H just mainly because of the Booker T feud alone. Like you decide to get racial heat which not only is stupid and tasteless but on top of that it also never works because instead of fans getting mad at the heel like it's intended to it instead just makes fans uncomfortable or angry and not want to watch. Then on top of that you have Triple H go over clean after Pedigreeing him and then not covering for like a minute with Booker having to lay there the whole time. As bad as Reigns' run has been there's never been anything that bad.
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Post by khali on May 9, 2022 17:47:27 GMT -5
I think Triple H's reign right now is worst because at the time you had 3 babyfaces get white hot that arguably could/should have won the belt in RVD/Booker/Kane but they didn't that being said, HBK winning the title, Benoit's win and putting over Batista are big plus moves. Roman I actually think has been a great heel the issue is that there's NOBODY to fight him and they're prolonging the reign for a yet to be finalized match with the Rock. It really felt like they were building for Big E to be the one to dethrone Roman, and plans changed... then Big E as a champ was a disaster (no fault of his). In theory the only two people right now who are easily close to the level of credible challengers are Lashley and Drew. I think you could get Cody to that point as well See, I think that’s a bigger indictment of how bad the Reigns run is right now. There may have been white hot babyfaces squandered during the Triple H run, but at least they got white hot in the time of the feud. Yeah, RVD lost in the end. But he did get to pin Triple H in the build up and was super over. Now WWE can’t even get someone super over, nor make the build to the match seem like a threat to Roman. I’d love for WWE to make any Roman match as interesting as a title match that didn’t even main event Unforgiven 2002. |
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Post by Johnny D on May 9, 2022 18:32:21 GMT -5
HHH no doubt in my mind. He as a heel went over in a racist angle ffs and those droning promos I AM THE GAME-AH promos are still etched in my mind.
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Post by Celgress on May 10, 2022 0:06:01 GMT -5
with HHH's reign of terror there was points it looked like he could lose the title, with Roman it's been pretty transparent that "Roman wins lol" is the outcome (especially the last 6 months or so.) of a lot of matches. Yup, Roman's Reign of Terror has reached cliched overpowered Isekai protagonist levels of boring. No challenger realistically poses a threat thus every feud lacks any suspense. |
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Post by Platypus Mod, with a new hat on May 10, 2022 0:15:06 GMT -5
with HHH's reign of terror there was points it looked like he could lose the title, with Roman it's been pretty transparent that "Roman wins lol" is the outcome (especially the last 6 months or so.) of a lot of matches. Even when there were moments that it looked like Roman might lose... he just went lol no... and shrugged it off... No one thought Finn had a shot and everyone completely ignored him in the leadup... then in the match he had the whole new hulk-up segment... and the crowd popped huge with oh well surely they won't do this entirely new thing just to have Roman beat him....and then nope... spear and pin. |
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Post by asuka007 on May 10, 2022 1:05:18 GMT -5
It’s telling that Raw feels more interesting when Roman and his butt Monkey’s are NOT on the show.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 10, 2022 2:01:46 GMT -5
The Booker T feud is worse than anything in Roman's run but Triple H's run also had a fair bit of stuff that was way f***ing better content than anything Roman's done.
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Post by ayumidah on May 10, 2022 2:38:41 GMT -5
HHH's held back people who I legit liked at the time.
Roman's at least gives me some humor nearly weekly with Heyman's ridiculousness.
I guess I'd go with HHH's being worse
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Post by tirtefaa on May 10, 2022 17:40:45 GMT -5
During the Reign of Terror, WWE was still pretty entertaining in spite of itself. I can't say the same about today's product.
Also, I'll argue in favor of the Reign of Terror, as I think having a strong established talent giving value to a brand new title was beneficial, as many fans saw the World Heavyweight title as the equal or superior of the WWE title at the time. That is, until Jack Swagger won it...then it felt like the WCW International Heavyweight title.
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Post by jason1980s on May 10, 2022 19:02:21 GMT -5
HHH made me quit watching wrasslin' Same here, with the Katie Vick skit. With his reign or terror, the worst thing was that it was an extension of his true self/his true beliefs that he should always have the top spot or one of the top spots. With Roman, he might have the clout with being related to Rock but nothing comes close to Triple H having the power because he was dating or married to Stephanie. Also, if the speculation that Roman wants to get into to movies and move on is true, then he will go at some point and let go. Triple H had no intention of moving on or letting go of his spot until well into his 40s. Roman's title reign was also based on management being desperate to get him in that position rather than something where the guy had the bosses ear constantly. |
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Post by The Rick Jericho on May 22, 2022 8:54:51 GMT -5
It looks like thanks to the Usos winning the tag titles, people have now started to dislike the Roman Reign's terror reign more.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on May 22, 2022 10:02:53 GMT -5
Aside from the Kane and Booker T feuds, which were offensive for entirely different reasons when separated from the Reign of Terror, Triple H's reign was more tolerable because there were at least breaks from Triple H having the world belt.
Reigns has been untouchable for nearly two years without many credible challengers.
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Post by The Ichi on May 22, 2022 12:09:27 GMT -5
I haven't seen any of Roman's reign, but the answer is Triple H. That's why it's called the reign of terror.
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