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Post by polarbearpete on May 10, 2022 23:05:55 GMT -5
The match would be fantastic, even with a screwy finish, so hopefully they go with it for the next PPV.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 10, 2022 23:10:38 GMT -5
"As of now but things can change" and there is Meltzer covering his ass. Yeah because Vince never changes his mind on anything. I know this is a joke about the Seth/Fiend fiasco, but something hilarious I discovered recently is that the fourth ever Hell in a Cell match ended in a No Contest, Kane vs Mankind. It's also one of the more obscure ones, held on a random Raw. WWE has always had a problem with running a new toy into the ground, it seems.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on May 10, 2022 23:12:56 GMT -5
The match would be fantastic, even with a screwy finish, so hopefully they go with it for the next PPV. You’re not wrong, I’m just so frustrated/disappointed in seeing matches that are 95% awesome and then a giant wet fart of a finish. If I have an Uso’s/RKBro unification match I wanna see it play out till the finish, and a proper finish
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 11, 2022 2:47:26 GMT -5
“It’ll be a fantastic match but the finish will be screwy” is on a list of reasons I can’t get too invested in WWE right now.
It’s low on the list but it’s on there.
EDIT: Also advertising matches that you know won’t happen is slightly higher. Why should I care about a damn thing if I have no certainty (barring any unfortunate circumstances or injury etc) that it will actually happen?
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Post by polarbearpete on May 11, 2022 6:40:30 GMT -5
“It’ll be a fantastic match but the finish will be screwy” is on a list of reasons I can’t get too invested in WWE right now. It’s low on the list but it’s on there. EDIT: Also advertising matches that you know won’t happen is slightly higher. Why should I care about a damn thing if I have no certainty (barring any unfortunate circumstances or injury etc) that it will actually happen? Silver linings! And it depends on what they mean by screwy finish. A standard match with a DQ or countout ending is fine (one of my favorite matches ever ended in a DQ , the Mind Games match). A Seth-Fiend-esque HIAC match ending is a little less fine.
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Post by themagnificentmoo on May 11, 2022 11:38:48 GMT -5
So that almost certainly means that Orton/Riddle vs Romans Bitches won't be a Hell in a Cell match. Yeah they wouldnt be dumb enough to do a DQ in a Cell match. At least not dumb enough to do it again.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 11, 2022 12:29:58 GMT -5
I'd be in favor of unifying all the main titles with the champions being able to appear on Raw and Smackdown like was the original plan with the undisputed title in 2002 (and they've been doing a bit lately with Roman). It would just be more prestigious to me if there was only one male world champion, only one female world champion and only one set of tag-team champions. I would keep the IC/US titles separate though as hopefully they'd seem more important as the titles which are exclusive to one show and even the de-facto top title at times when the world champion is busy mostly appearing or feuding with someone on the opposite show.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 11, 2022 12:37:42 GMT -5
“It’ll be a fantastic match but the finish will be screwy” is on a list of reasons I can’t get too invested in WWE right now. It’s low on the list but it’s on there. EDIT: Also advertising matches that you know won’t happen is slightly higher. Why should I care about a damn thing if I have no certainty (barring any unfortunate circumstances or injury etc) that it will actually happen? Silver linings! And it depends on what they mean by screwy finish. A standard match with a DQ or countout ending is fine (one of my favorite matches ever ended in a DQ , the Mind Games match). A Seth-Fiend-esque HIAC match ending is a little less fine. Yeah, DQs are fine with a story backbone to them and maube some idea of a follow-through, and generally just when used smart. It's just the using them smart that bookers trip on.
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Post by oxbaker on May 11, 2022 13:18:50 GMT -5
WWE once announced a title match and then took it back after the commercial break. It just baffles me that people give Meltzer shit for saying that when it's obvious they do it constantly. It’s because he and his $11.99 club will not admit that he’s ever been wrong (which he has). He throws that out there so people can say ‘well he didn’t say it was for sure happening.’ If there was some admission at some point that in this particular case he just got it wrong, the plans didn’t change, he just had bad info then I don’t think there would be a meme. But it’s the jump-to defense by his stans for every single thing. I mean he said Shane was off TV for some other reason and it turned out he had jury duty — I guess ‘plans changed’ lol.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 11, 2022 13:32:02 GMT -5
It just baffles me that people give Meltzer shit for saying that when it's obvious they do it constantly. WWE is the only wrestling or MMA company of any note in the US that will openly promote a match they know 110% won’t actually happen. “Card Subject to Change” isn’t an insurance policy for WWE, it’s a get outta jail free card Yeah, this is the company that played a f***ing hype video for Bianca Vs. Sasha... immediately before announcing Sasha wouldn't be competeing...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 11, 2022 13:39:05 GMT -5
Silver linings! And it depends on what they mean by screwy finish. A standard match with a DQ or countout ending is fine (one of my favorite matches ever ended in a DQ , the Mind Games match). A Seth-Fiend-esque HIAC match ending is a little less fine. Yeah, DQs are fine with a story backbone to them and maube some idea of a follow-through, and generally just when used smart. It's just the using them smart that bookers trip on. Just like the looking good in defeat... it's a great strategy and it can work... as long as it leads somewhere. Like Brock vs. Cena in 2003, Cena lost to Brock but looked competent against him and then they had Cena... still mattter... and go on to win the US title a few months later. Instead of usually how it works in the WWE is... Guy gets a few close calls but ultimately loses and then... LITERALLY NOTHING.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 11, 2022 14:08:46 GMT -5
Yeah, DQs are fine with a story backbone to them and maube some idea of a follow-through, and generally just when used smart. It's just the using them smart that bookers trip on. Just like the looking good in defeat... it's a great strategy and it can work... as long as it leads somewhere. Like Brock vs. Cena in 2003, Cena lost to Brock but looked competent against him and then they had Cena... still mattter... and go on to win the US title a few months later. Instead of usually how it works in the WWE is... Guy gets a few close calls but ultimately loses and then... LITERALLY NOTHING. My favorite is the “booking a screwy finish because we have nothing for the live event after this one” aka the Hell in a Cell special.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 11, 2022 14:09:51 GMT -5
Just like the looking good in defeat... it's a great strategy and it can work... as long as it leads somewhere. Like Brock vs. Cena in 2003, Cena lost to Brock but looked competent against him and then they had Cena... still mattter... and go on to win the US title a few months later. Instead of usually how it works in the WWE is... Guy gets a few close calls but ultimately loses and then... LITERALLY NOTHING. My favorite is the “booking a screwy finish because we have nothing for the live event after this one” aka the Hell in a Cell special. ah yeah the old Bray Wyatt Gambit! <_<
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 11, 2022 14:13:41 GMT -5
My favorite is the “booking a screwy finish because we have nothing for the live event after this one” aka the Hell in a Cell special. ah yeah the old Bray Wyatt Gambit! <_< Fun fact; it was before that called the Braun gambit.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 11, 2022 14:17:06 GMT -5
ah yeah the old Bray Wyatt Gambit! <_< Fun fact; it was before that called the Braun gambit. I mean I guess technically Bray's was literally we don't know how to end this fued... or these people aren't really doing anything but are too important to not doing anything... than just interrupting a PPV in general... (though he did that with like HOLOGRAPHIC POWERS!) >_>
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 11, 2022 14:18:37 GMT -5
Fun fact; it was before that called the Braun gambit. I mean I guess technically Bray's was literally we don't know how to end this fued... or these people aren't really doing anything but are too important to not doing anything... than just interrupting a PPV in general... (though he did what with like HOLOGRAPHIC POWERS!) >_> OH GOD I FORGOT THEY ENDED A HELL IN A CELL MATCH WITH HOLOGRAMS! It really is the Bray gambit.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 11, 2022 14:19:49 GMT -5
I mean I guess technically Bray's was literally we don't know how to end this fued... or these people aren't really doing anything but are too important to not doing anything... than just interrupting a PPV in general... (though he did what with like HOLOGRAPHIC POWERS!) >_> OH GOD I FORGOT THEY ENDED A HELL IN A CELL MATCH WITH HOLOGRAMS! It really is the Bray gambit. Remember Cult Bray was literally "Get out of booking free" if they didn't know how to end something... just throw Bray and his spooky nonsense at it... and then we never have to actually explain it.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 12, 2022 6:26:51 GMT -5
WWE is the only wrestling or MMA company of any note in the US that will openly promote a match they know 110% won’t actually happen. “Card Subject to Change” isn’t an insurance policy for WWE, it’s a get outta jail free card Yeah, this is the company that played a f***ing hype video for Bianca Vs. Sasha... immediately before announcing Sasha wouldn't be competeing... I saw this just now so forgot to reply to it at the time; we still don't know why Sasha didn't compete that night, do we? Because it wasn't because she didn't take the vaccine because she was at the MSG show not long after and New York at the time had strict COVID guidelines.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 12, 2022 6:44:24 GMT -5
Yeah, this is the company that played a f***ing hype video for Bianca Vs. Sasha... immediately before announcing Sasha wouldn't be competeing... I saw this just now so forgot to reply to it at the time; we still don't know why Sasha didn't compete that night, do we? Because it wasn't because she didn't take the vaccine because she was at the MSG show not long after and New York at the time had strict COVID guidelines. What was the time frame there? It could have been an issue with WWE putting their foot down on her getting vaccinated but not having time for the second shot in time for Summerslam.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 12, 2022 6:47:28 GMT -5
I saw this just now so forgot to reply to it at the time; we still don't know why Sasha didn't compete that night, do we? Because it wasn't because she didn't take the vaccine because she was at the MSG show not long after and New York at the time had strict COVID guidelines. What was the time frame there? It could have been an issue with WWE putting their foot down on her getting vaccinated but not having time for the second shot in time for Summerslam. From what I remember, the Sunday before the show it was apparently off, then it was on by the Monday and it held this pattern until Summerslam where the reports were it was on right up until showtime and then after the show, we found out she was taken off the day of the show but they still advertised it anyway. In terms of restrictions, even if she was going to get the second shot and couldn't make it, she wouldn't have made the MSG show with how long to stay after vaccinations (shorter than the rest of the world but not long enough for her to be there unless I'm misremembering stuff). EDIT: Oh, and weren't they in the ring together on that week's Smackdown? I could be mixing it up with the WrestleMania match but I'm pretty sure I'm not.
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