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Post by hbkid718 on May 25, 2022 11:06:11 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one mentioned WWE doing Obama VS Clinton in a wrestling match before the 2008 Election.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 25, 2022 11:16:11 GMT -5
Fake Bill Clinton was funny only once, when some pyro went off and the fake Secret Service dived on him because they thought it was an assassination attempt.
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Post by rainandlava on May 25, 2022 16:07:28 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever seen a wrestling segment bomb as hard as "Rosie O'Donnell" vs "Donald Trump." Ah yes, the segment where the two wrestlers (Former NWA Women's Champion Kiley McLean (not sure if I spelt it right) and Ace Steel (yes, THAT Ace Steel) cosplayed as the two and had a match so awful the crowd chanted "TNA!" right IN front of Vince himself.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 20:38:23 GMT -5
Fake Bill Clinton was funny only once, when some pyro went off and the fake Secret Service dived on him because they thought it was an assassination attempt. Completely forgot about that. That shit cracked me up man.
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Post by Mozenrath on May 25, 2022 20:44:10 GMT -5
Trump vs. Rosie O'Donnell. So bad the audience actually chanted for TNA. VKM (Voodoo Kin Mafia) as well. Which must have really confused Vince What about the Shelton Trish Desperate Housewives NFL bit. Really dumb and poor satire. Weirdly, I recall that one actually getting them GOOD press So on that front, it worked, but on another, it probably didn't really lead to any increased viewership or anything, and would have likely been utterly mystifying to foreign fans.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 26, 2022 1:49:30 GMT -5
i remember fake Bill Clinton was around a lot Fake Obama got more airtime than he ever should have, too.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 26, 2022 2:16:28 GMT -5
This one's a bit more obscure but Alicia Fox's "WOW I'M CRAZY AND WACKY AND GONNA SMACK PEOPLE ARUND AND BE UNPREDICTABLE CRAY CRAY" gimmick was initially started because of Beyonce's Sister Solange slapping Jay-Z in an elevator.
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Post by PKO on May 26, 2022 5:13:26 GMT -5
VKM (Voodoo Kin Mafia) as well. Which must have really confused Vince What about the Shelton Trish Desperate Housewives NFL bit. Really dumb and poor satire. Weirdly, I recall that one actually getting them GOOD press So on that front, it worked, but on another, it probably didn't really lead to any increased viewership or anything, and would have likely been utterly mystifying to foreign fans. It’s well acted and well written (for wrestling) and the point that they were trying to make was them actually being on the logical side of the argument. As a teenager in the UK with no context I thought it was a bit odd at the time but it was a funny enough opening, and once I learned about the hoo-hah some in America had over the Desperate Housewives/Football crossover I appreciated the reference. It’s a pretty great segment. The only thing that hasn’t aged well is Shelton calling Trish a slut.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on May 26, 2022 7:36:01 GMT -5
On one early Raw they were pushing a Woody Allen/Mia Farrow cage match. Dunno if there were any plans in place to Trump/Rosie it, but one can imagine. Holy shit. I’ve never heard anyone else bring this up. I was starting to think my 8 year old brain must’ve dreamt that up.
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Post by Cvslfc123 on May 26, 2022 8:07:53 GMT -5
pretty much every uk show features are groan worthy attempt at referencing pop culture here Like that time they had Dean Ambrose point out James Corden's parents in the front row on a London Raw.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on May 26, 2022 8:48:42 GMT -5
To be honest, the N word thing was in poor taste but back then, it wasn't this big "Oh my god you can't say that!" kinda deal. Back then, it was just a word... Hell, Booker even agreed to it and probably thought it was funny himself. Nowadays he would be seen as an "Uncle Tom" by the Black Community if he allowed it to happen or something. People give that word way too much power these days. At the end of the day, Vince WAS playing a character and his character of being a power hungry rich billionaire who thinks he can say and get away with anything probably would say the N Word. Is it any different to a character in a TV show being a racist, for example? It was still "you can't say that" in 2006 (or whenever the Vince thing happened), but there weren't as many outlets to get it trending across the country/world for people to really give the company grief for it. Wrestling was well past the boom period of the MNW by then so it was back to being a niche that no one other than wrestling fans were really paying attention to. If today's social media was around in the mid-2000's, then there is no chance Vince even thinks about doing something like that on TV. Vince knew exactly what he was doing, right down to Booker T being the first face the camera panned to. That wasn't a coincidence. The platform simply wasn't there in the 2000s to hold people accountable for shady shit. Obviously there is a heightened sensitivity in the world today as well, but the platform is the bigger reason for it. As far as playing a character on TV, did the Vince N-word segment even lead to anything? Even HHH who spent like 20 minutes in a promo using every racially insensitive stereotype imaginable against Booker T wasn't going to use that word, and that's really the only type of storyline where something like that would have even "fit" from a story standpoint (using fit in quotations because I don't think that word should be used in a wrestling angle to begin with). Vince said what he said because he knew he could get away with it and there would be no ramifications for doing it. Same reason he stuck his tongue down the throat of every blonde female employee he used on television. Would he try anything like that again today, even if he were 15-20 years younger? No chance. I was thinking that too, like, as a white person you DEFINITELY couldn't say that in 2006, let alone actually ever in modern times unless you had a hood over your stupid head. You nailed it tho, Vince picked the adequate time, with the adequate set-up to get away with it. I didn't like it 16 years ago, and I don't like it now. But in 2006 it was absolutely NOT "just a word". No way.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 26, 2022 8:51:22 GMT -5
pretty much every uk show features are groan worthy attempt at referencing pop culture here I love when they have talent wear soccer jerseys that always get the wrong reaction.
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Post by fg on May 26, 2022 9:15:19 GMT -5
Fake Bill Clinton was funny only once, when some pyro went off and the fake Secret Service dived on him because they thought it was an assassination attempt. Completely forgot about that. That shit cracked me up man. That happened at SSeries 95. Even Vince said: “Oh please.”
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Post by Beets by Schrute on May 26, 2022 9:45:46 GMT -5
Literary thought of this on Monday! WWE is between the kid in a class that tells the 3 month old joke everybody has heard screaming “see I’m doing it too!”
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on May 26, 2022 11:44:38 GMT -5
So was it on Vince's bucket list to say the N-word in front of millions of people?
You know what, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 29, 2022 4:02:30 GMT -5
I'm surprised no one mentioned WWE doing Obama VS Clinton in a wrestling match before the 2008 Election. Trust Vince to f*** up a golden opportunity of massive good publicity by having two presidential candidates appear on his show.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 30, 2022 20:04:43 GMT -5
I'll take it way back... wm2 .... the "Where's the Beef" lady. You brought this grandma to the show where she probably has no idea what's going on and she didn't get her one line right. I'm not faulting her, but come on wwf... you were in on the 80s pop culture ride and you pick her as a celebrity guest?
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