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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 25, 2022 7:20:26 GMT -5
I have to say, I have always always always hated crowd hijackings. I have found specific ones funny at specific points, especially with hindsight.
But uh, I actually like mainly watching wrestling that works so I hate the rebellious crowd thing. I spent a long time being mad at the crowds for it before realising that they were responding to what WWE was giving them
It made WWE an absolutely miserable thing to watch, for a long time - during the Daniel Bryan 'push,' you'd spend each week wondering whether anything in the main event angle was going to get the reaction it was supposed to get.
Then towards the tail end of my watching when rebellious crowds were less common, you never knew when a crowd would just turn on a show or WWE would make a stupid f***ing decision and then suddenly you're watching a very boring slow punch exchange between two people both being booed.
If it's over, well, I don't even watch any more, but good f***ing riddance. After this long, we know what WWE is, you know what you're getting, stop buying a ticket to come see indie darlings get buried. Learn to love Roman! Or stop showing up!
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Post by Renslayer on May 25, 2022 7:37:20 GMT -5
I'm cool with it. The post Mania crowds that always tried to make themselves bigger than the show is played out.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 7:42:21 GMT -5
At this point, as Bryan and Dave talked about, the issue is less about crowds not doing as they said, but the bad stories making it out the crowd isn’t when they were.
Like, when Becky returned, she was cheered even when she cheated to win the belt. Then her first promo is “You people never cared about me and booed me when I came back” when, like…I watched the clip. That was a blatant lie. I know, heel being heel but the motivations don’t sync up and adds to the nature of nothing really mattering. Becky will feel people don’t like her or Roman won’t feel people aren’t acknowledging him, Damian will feel like the people stopped liking him so he joined Edge’s group of Prince fanboys even if none of that is actually true.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on May 25, 2022 12:08:13 GMT -5
Perhaps WWE fans just don't care about hijacking the show anymore... they know there won't be change.
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Post by kingoftheindies on May 25, 2022 13:27:05 GMT -5
Bryan has long said he thinks the hijacking stopp3d due to AEW because the fans that wanted an alternative now have said alternative... also have to give companies like MLW, Impact, and New Japan with their US shows.
But I do think have to say this about WWE. They do have acts that are legitimately over... they also have acts and angles that are not as over. So rather than crowds just rebelling if they aren't into something you just get indifference.
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Post by Rubix Cube Johnny on May 25, 2022 13:46:43 GMT -5
I mean we did go a year and a half without full arenas. Crowds generally seem happier to be there at the moment.
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Post by Ozman on May 25, 2022 13:55:27 GMT -5
If you're terminally online and deep inside the IWC bubble you might think this Roman run is "misery booking" but when you venture into the real world the Tribal Chief gimmick is massively over and the biggest thing in wrestling. He's been shouted out, sorry acknowledged, twice by Charles Barkley in recent weeks. His theme gets played at sporting events. He was on The Tonight Show recently too. He gets great reactions every week and it's very clearly not go-away heat. Some weeks he's even cheered. The same thing with Ronda. Forums like this do nothing but talk about how she sucks and no one cares but the paying customers cheer her every week. Sometimes the IWC is out of touch with the live fans. The type of fan most likely to hijack are the 20-40 year old white males. They've probably moved onto AEW like you said. If they're still watching WWE they're probably hate-watching and posting about it online rather than actually attending the shows. I was just at a WWE live event this past Saturday night in Rockford Illinois, and Roman literally got the biggest cheers of the night. My point is that even though Roman might be played out to the diehard fans, the casual ones are very much into Roman.
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Post by rainandlava on May 25, 2022 14:18:15 GMT -5
Perhaps WWE fans just don't care about hijacking the show anymore... they know there won't be change. As Carl from Aqua Teen Hunger Force once put it, "It don't matter...none of dis matters."
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Post by Dub H on May 25, 2022 14:19:19 GMT -5
They did lose their Rebel Heart
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Post by ssdrivin on May 25, 2022 15:00:04 GMT -5
At this point, as Bryan and Dave talked about, the issue is less about crowds not doing as they said, but the bad stories making it out the crowd isn’t when they were. Like, when Becky returned, she was cheered even when she cheated to win the belt. Then her first promo is “You people never cared about me and booed me when I came back” when, like…I watched the clip. That was a blatant lie. I know, heel being heel but the motivations don’t sync up and adds to the nature of nothing really mattering. Becky will feel people don’t like her or Roman won’t feel people aren’t acknowledging him, Damian will feel like the people stopped liking him so he joined Edge’s group of Prince fanboys even if none of that is actually true. With a situation like that, how hard would it have been to go with something like "I'm the best (even though I cheat and fight dirty), look, the crowd loves me, I don't see them cheering for you, (name of boring face)". At least that might mix things up a bit, rather than the nth go around of "I'm turning on you all because you never supported me".
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 25, 2022 15:03:22 GMT -5
Crowds "sending a message" completly jumped the shark with the "we are awesome" chant. That's all I really have to add here.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 15:11:23 GMT -5
At this point, as Bryan and Dave talked about, the issue is less about crowds not doing as they said, but the bad stories making it out the crowd isn’t when they were. Like, when Becky returned, she was cheered even when she cheated to win the belt. Then her first promo is “You people never cared about me and booed me when I came back” when, like…I watched the clip. That was a blatant lie. I know, heel being heel but the motivations don’t sync up and adds to the nature of nothing really mattering. Becky will feel people don’t like her or Roman won’t feel people aren’t acknowledging him, Damian will feel like the people stopped liking him so he joined Edge’s group of Prince fanboys even if none of that is actually true. With a situation like that, how hard would it have been to go with something like "I'm the best (even though I cheat and fight dirty), look, the crowd loves me, I don't see them cheering for you, (name of boring face)". At least that might mix things up a bit, rather than the nth go around of "I'm turning on you all because you never supported me". Or even in the Damian Priest scenario, he could say “You didn’t stand fast enough!” to have a bit of awareness that they did do what they said but they also don’t want them to cheer them as the obvious bad guys. Like, just encourage them to play with the crowd if it isn’t 100% how it’s scripted and it’ll make them feel like actual characters like they should.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 15:13:28 GMT -5
If you're terminally online and deep inside the IWC bubble you might think this Roman run is "misery booking" but when you venture into the real world the Tribal Chief gimmick is massively over and the biggest thing in wrestling. He's been shouted out, sorry acknowledged, twice by Charles Barkley in recent weeks. His theme gets played at sporting events. He was on The Tonight Show recently too. He gets great reactions every week and it's very clearly not go-away heat. Some weeks he's even cheered. The same thing with Ronda. Forums like this do nothing but talk about how she sucks and no one cares but the paying customers cheer her every week. Sometimes the IWC is out of touch with the live fans. The type of fan most likely to hijack are the 20-40 year old white males. They've probably moved onto AEW like you said. If they're still watching WWE they're probably hate-watching and posting about it online rather than actually attending the shows. I was just at a WWE live event this past Saturday night in Rockford Illinois, and Roman literally got the biggest cheers of the night. My point is that even though Roman might be played out to the diehard fans, the casual ones are very much into Roman. I mean, he wins a lot. It’s natural as someone not into the inner workings to be into winners. So of course he’d be over to them. I’m not even saying it as a damning statement about him, either. It’s just logical. And you’d think a company that knew how to make Hogan, Austin and Cena into stars would know that.
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Post by Zombie Mod on May 25, 2022 15:18:03 GMT -5
I think there has been less European fans going to U.S. based shows (for the obvious reason.), that will have played a big part of crowds not being as rowdy/rebellious at the big shows & immediate show after.
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Post by brooklynmets on May 25, 2022 15:19:44 GMT -5
If you're terminally online and deep inside the IWC bubble you might think this Roman run is "misery booking" but when you venture into the real world the Tribal Chief gimmick is massively over and the biggest thing in wrestling. He's been shouted out, sorry acknowledged, twice by Charles Barkley in recent weeks. His theme gets played at sporting events. He was on The Tonight Show recently too. He gets great reactions every week and it's very clearly not go-away heat. Some weeks he's even cheered. The same thing with Ronda. Forums like this do nothing but talk about how she sucks and no one cares but the paying customers cheer her every week. Sometimes the IWC is out of touch with the live fans. The type of fan most likely to hijack are the 20-40 year old white males. They've probably moved onto AEW like you said. If they're still watching WWE they're probably hate-watching and posting about it online rather than actually attending the shows. Bingo Yeah those white males, everyone has data on them.
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Post by oxbaker on May 25, 2022 15:41:41 GMT -5
If you're terminally online and deep inside the IWC bubble you might think this Roman run is "misery booking" but when you venture into the real world the Tribal Chief gimmick is massively over and the biggest thing in wrestling. He's been shouted out, sorry acknowledged, twice by Charles Barkley in recent weeks. His theme gets played at sporting events. He was on The Tonight Show recently too. He gets great reactions every week and it's very clearly not go-away heat. Some weeks he's even cheered. The same thing with Ronda. Forums like this do nothing but talk about how she sucks and no one cares but the paying customers cheer her every week. Sometimes the IWC is out of touch with the live fans. The type of fan most likely to hijack are the 20-40 year old white males. They've probably moved onto AEW like you said. If they're still watching WWE they're probably hate-watching and posting about it online rather than actually attending the shows. I was just at a WWE live event this past Saturday night in Rockford Illinois, and Roman literally got the biggest cheers of the night. My point is that even though Roman might be played out to the diehard fans, the casual ones are very much into Roman. Not picking on your verbiage, but to me it’s funny that people who actually buy tickets and go to shows are ‘casuals’ but people who post on the internet who say they don’t watch WWE are the ‘hardcore’ fans, lol. Seems to me that a hardcore fan is one who goes to the shows, same as a hardcore fan of a band goes to the concerts.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 15:44:55 GMT -5
I was just at a WWE live event this past Saturday night in Rockford Illinois, and Roman literally got the biggest cheers of the night. My point is that even though Roman might be played out to the diehard fans, the casual ones are very much into Roman. Not picking on your verbiage, but to me it’s funny that people who actually buy tickets and go to shows are ‘casuals’ but people who post on the internet who say they don’t watch WWE are the ‘hardcore’ fans, lol. Seems to me that a hardcore fan is one who goes to the shows, same as a hardcore fan of a band goes to the concerts. I do see your point. If you’re going to a WWE house show, you’re not exactly going there because you’re not aware of what the product is or of how rarely it comes to your neck of the woods since, 99% of the time, you aren’t getting TV. That isn’t something that can be seen as “casual” in the same way, like you said, you get tickets to a concert or even something like Game Grumps live or something. Nobody goes to that stuff on a whim. But then I’ve found the hardcore and casual debate tedious and dull so I’m slightly biased there. But I do stand by my point of if you’re a regular WWE fan, winners are the people who win so those fans cheer winners because that’s how the programming works.
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Post by stoptheclocks on May 25, 2022 16:07:55 GMT -5
Not picking on your verbiage, but to me it’s funny that people who actually buy tickets and go to shows are ‘casuals’ but people who post on the internet who say they don’t watch WWE are the ‘hardcore’ fans, lol. Seems to me that a hardcore fan is one who goes to the shows, same as a hardcore fan of a band goes to the concerts. I do see your point. If you’re going to a WWE house show, you’re not exactly going there because you’re not aware of what the product is or of how rarely it comes to your neck of the woods since, 99% of the time, you aren’t getting TV. That isn’t something that can be seen as “casual” in the same way, like you said, you get tickets to a concert or even something like Game Grumps live or something. Nobody goes to that stuff on a whim. But then I’ve found the hardcore and casual debate tedious and dull so I’m slightly biased there. But I do stand by my point of if you’re a regular WWE fan, winners are the people who win so those fans cheer winners because that’s how the programming works. Roman has largely always won though, and he hasn't always been as popular as he is now.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 16:11:38 GMT -5
I do see your point. If you’re going to a WWE house show, you’re not exactly going there because you’re not aware of what the product is or of how rarely it comes to your neck of the woods since, 99% of the time, you aren’t getting TV. That isn’t something that can be seen as “casual” in the same way, like you said, you get tickets to a concert or even something like Game Grumps live or something. Nobody goes to that stuff on a whim. But then I’ve found the hardcore and casual debate tedious and dull so I’m slightly biased there. But I do stand by my point of if you’re a regular WWE fan, winners are the people who win so those fans cheer winners because that’s how the programming works. Roman has largely always won though, and he hasn't always been as popular as he is now. But there was other, more popular people ahead of him, hence where the rebellion started. All of them have now have either left the company, retired or lost to Roman. And now that they’ve actually decided he wins consistently and the main resistance is gone, people like him because he’s an actually consistent winner and not, say, a guy who stumbles into a Royal Rumble win because his cousin helped him out.
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Post by rocket on May 25, 2022 16:21:20 GMT -5
I can understand going to a show and being disappointed. But then I never got why people would spend over $100 with the intent of being miserable. Those WWE tickets aren't cheap.
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