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Post by thechase on May 25, 2022 6:54:33 GMT -5
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Post by cjh on May 25, 2022 7:07:47 GMT -5
They've been using talent from the other show for end-of-the-night dark matches.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 25, 2022 7:16:08 GMT -5
Wonder how they're going to juggle Fox and USA, I don't see their demands just falling through entirely.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 25, 2022 7:16:49 GMT -5
What happened to all this newz about the networks not wanting this?
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Post by RI Richmark on May 25, 2022 7:18:20 GMT -5
I perfer they end the split but they make a rule that no one can wrestle on both shows on the same week.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on May 25, 2022 7:20:25 GMT -5
It died an absolute death for most of 2019 as well, I seem to recall. If I remember correctly, the 'Wild Card' rule very rapidly gave way to the 'F*** It' protocol.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on May 25, 2022 7:23:56 GMT -5
I always found the reports about the networks being more about talent being more exclusive to their shows than anything about a brand split specifically (Charlotte can appear on both shows but 99% of the time it’s on Smackdown since FOX want her, for example) but I could be wrong with that. Honestly, they’ve made so many cuts to their roster at this point, there’s no logical reason for a brand split. If they call up a truckload of people from NXT or sign some people back, go for it. Right now you’re exposing the glaring gaps in all your divisions. It died an absolute death for most of 2019 as well, I seem to recall. If I remember correctly, the 'Wild Card' rule very rapidly gave way to the 'F*** It' protocol. COVID didn’t help things either since less people were being brought into the CWC and the Thunderdome (whether by choice or because of people getting COVID) so what is the need for an individual roster for each brand
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Post by repomark on May 25, 2022 8:17:25 GMT -5
Never liked the hard brand split and especially disliked having two world champions, but it is important that some of the reasons for dividing the roster like this are not forgotten in a more unified set up.
If the same people appear on both shows every week it will become stale more quickly, and - more importantly- talent will burn out faster. It should be easy enough to simply rotate which of the shows each wrestler appears on each week to avoid this though.
As for the networks, I never understood why they would be against this, as both want the biggest stars to appear on their show. Essentially Roman is so much bigger a star than anyone else right now, Raw is badly losing out by not being able to feature him. From Fox’s perspective, they might want to retain that exclusivity - but there will be a host of talent on Raw they would like to also be available to appear on their show as well.
I think this could be very beneficial to the product if this really is the end of the hard brand split.
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Post by Push R Truth on May 25, 2022 8:25:16 GMT -5
I perfer they end the split but they make a rule that no one can wrestle on both shows on the same week. I love this but I know the WWE will Monkey Paw that shit: "Please only wrestle once per week!" *the monkey paw curls* Michael Cole: Welcome to Monday Night RAW! Here's a replay of Roman's match from Smackdown followed up by Smackdown Rewind of Lashley vs Omos
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on May 25, 2022 8:26:58 GMT -5
Never liked the hard brand split and especially disliked having two world champions, but it is important that some of the reasons for dividing the roster like this are not forgotten in a more unified set up. If the same people appear on both shows every week it will become stale more quickly, and - more importantly- talent will burn out faster. It should be easy enough to simply rotate which of the shows each wrestler appears on each week to avoid this though. As for the networks, I never understood why they would be against this, as both want the biggest stars to appear on their show. Essentially Roman is so much bigger a star than anyone else right now, Raw is badly losing out by not being able to feature him. From Fox’s perspective, they might want to retain that exclusivity - but there will be a host of talent on Raw they would like to also be available to appear on their show as well. I think this could be very beneficial to the product if it this really is the end of the hard brand split. The problem with rotating is just that WWE never did. The last time the brand split burned out and ended, it was with them not only putting the same people on both shows, but even oftentimes running matches on Smackdown they'd do on Raw a few days later. WWE is incapable of moderation and the reason that the brand split made so many new stars and attempted new stars is expressly because in the space before it, they just didn't bother doing shit with most of its roster. This is almost definitely going to trend the exact same way because it's all the same people still in charge of it from the last time the brand split ended.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 25, 2022 8:27:43 GMT -5
I’d be surprised. This doesn’t sound like reporting. Seems like they grabbed a sound bite from Alvarez on his radio show. Also, they’ve been using Raw guys for SD dark main events and vice versa for a while now.
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Post by theironyuppie on May 25, 2022 9:59:42 GMT -5
I’d be surprised. This doesn’t sound like reporting. Seems like they grabbed a sound bite from Alvarez on his radio show. Also, they’ve been using Raw guys for SD dark main events and vice versa for a while now. They have, most recently Bianca/Rhea on last week's SD.
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Post by Feyrhausen on May 25, 2022 10:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah Alvarez was just stating his opinion, which many other people share. He is not stating a fact or reporting anything.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on May 25, 2022 10:24:36 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd end the brand split completely (I probably would actually) but I'd definitely keep the titles unified. They've already done it with Roman's title and the tag titles and I'd do it with the women's belts next. I've never liked the idea of their being multiple world champions. There should be one male world champion, one female world champion and one tag champs. You can keep the US and IC titles separate and have them specific to a brand each but the others I think there should only be one and they get to appear on both shows while they're holding the title. I'd mercifully get rid of the 24/7 title too. There's just too many titles in wrestling today. Being a champion should be prestigious but when I turn on WWE or AEW it feels like every other person is carrying a belt between the WWE/NXT/AEW/ROH/NJPW titles.
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Post by Sparvid on May 25, 2022 10:51:04 GMT -5
I always thought it was stupid to have a (somewhat) hard brand split while at the same time having mixed PPVs all the time. Remember when New Day being split between brands was supposed to be a big deal? And then they just kept hanging out together at the PPVs, because why not since they were all there anyway.
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Post by hbkid718 on May 25, 2022 10:56:10 GMT -5
I hope they don't end the Brand Split. Right now, we get the same matches every week on Raw. If they end the Split, then we will get the same match on Raw & Smackdown in the same week. More people would not be used and relegated to catering or Main Event. Leave things as is. The reason why there will be Raw wrestlers at Smackdown is for the dark matches before & after the show.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2022 12:00:51 GMT -5
I mean would anything really change from what it is now.
Everything they repeat week to week on 1 show they would just do it with both shows week to week now.
All this really tells me is this is moving the TV mindset to what they are doing with the premium live events (that name can f*** off) in that only the names they deem worthwhile will be on the main shows and everyone else can either sit in catering or if you are lucky enough that week you can shovel the f*** off to main event that no one watches.
So again nothing really changes except the ammount of repetition which just increases.
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Post by Tiffany Stratton's Daddy on May 25, 2022 12:07:20 GMT -5
As long as Reigns holds both world titles and The Usos hold both tag titles, it makes sense... especially considering the lack of roster depth.
Use this next year to get roster depth and build bigger stars. Have Reigns lose the title at SummerSlam 2023 and have a new brand extension anywhere from Fall 2023 - Spring 2024.
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Post by Fade on May 25, 2022 12:48:29 GMT -5
It makes sense. It’ll be a matter of time before they do it again.
Actually, maybe-maybe-not with how they’ve been trimming the roster. My thing has always been if you do it, commit, like the first time. The wishy washy handling of it is lame.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on May 25, 2022 12:50:56 GMT -5
We're currently in a soft split I'd say. Most talent appears on only one show but they've stopped really giving any sort of justification for talent going in one direction or another and it seems to be happening more often.
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