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Post by lavelleuk22 on May 28, 2022 14:57:49 GMT -5
I've don't mind the booking, I've seen so many people say they've wasted Adam Cole, but he's in the final, Joe is in my FAVE 5 so happy he's not only in the final but putting matches better than I thought he still could
Women's again good for Soho, unpopular opinion but Britt Baker is the most entertaining female wrestler they have so that's good
But I do feel Joe and Soho need to win
All that said...I've not cared about any of the actual tournament one bit. I'm not an Owen Hart fan (he was actually my least favourite wrestler when getting into wrestling, him and jarrett) and while I get why they're doing a tournament for him, it feels like it's more for the wrestlers rather than the fans. Which I'm actually fine with, but i don't think they're trying to capture the "key demo" by running a tournament for a guy who died over 20 years ago
So yeah, I'm fine with it happening, I've enjoyed some matches, especially the last two Joe ones, but I'm hoping they don't make it an annual thing as its boring to me as a fan
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Post by markymark on May 28, 2022 15:21:00 GMT -5
From what I've gathered the semi's and finals were booked as they were to establish the tournaments as a big deal and have bigger names in it to make it feel important. Kind of like the first King of the Ring tournament. Going forward they'll likely use the tournament to prep people for bigger roles... like KOTR tournaments after the initial one Judging by the reactions, it does not feel like that has worked. If anything it feels like it’s taken the wind out of the sails a bit. The whole “establish prestige” idea SOUNDS good on paper, but that’s not always what people want to see. They want something new.
It was supposed to be like NJPW G1 tournament and thats how they want it to be for next year.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2022 15:42:09 GMT -5
The round Robin format of the G1 really doesn't work for a product that's booked around weekly television. It works great for New Japan because of how they're more of a touring promotion and the G1 is structured as almost a gauntlet of a lot of matches within a relatively short time frame.
For round Robin to work in AEW, you either need to put the entire product on hold for weeks if not months for the tournament. Or you do more shows per week with stuff like house shows as well as using Dark and Elevation for tournament matches along with Dynamite and Rampage. Either way the tournament has to take priority over other angles. It can't just be something that runs alongside the rest of the product. If you can't commit to that, it makes more sense to stick to a single elimination format.
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Post by dbrussel on May 28, 2022 15:43:13 GMT -5
It's been great for the men and good for the women imo
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 28, 2022 15:48:31 GMT -5
I really have never been able to wrap my head around even, like, the concept of a round robin tournament. Just the entire idea of having like 90 matches devoted to one single angle sounds absolutely f***ing exhausting to me.
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Post by lildude8218 on May 28, 2022 15:55:30 GMT -5
They booked the Women's finals from a thousand miles away by having them constantly interacting on screen.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 16:23:43 GMT -5
The apathy here is pretty shocking tbh, like, the Tournament has put on a ton of bangers and has been constantly presented on screen. The qualifiers were fun and given plenty of time, and almost every Tourney match has felt like a banger, and presented the four finalists well
"I can't believe they'd put Britt and Cole in the finals" yeah bro I can't believe they'd put two of their top experienced heels in the finals, like...? "Dax should have won it!" but Dax isn't as experienced a singles star and Cole is, and their match was fantastic anyway, every match Cole's had has been good, Joe's matches have been really entertaining, and Ruby vs Riho and Statlander were some of the best women's matches this year so far.
Cole and Baker preferably both lose, I'm ok if Cole wins personally, but I don't see where the Tourney has been some "Grand misstep" and especially don't see how it's been overlooked and should never been done again, that to me is a huge reach and frankly it feels like, this Tournament's been really fun with fun matches and has lead to two strong finals that set a bar for other years. No issue with this at all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on May 28, 2022 16:24:43 GMT -5
From what I've gathered the semi's and finals were booked as they were to establish the tournaments as a big deal and have bigger names in it to make it feel important. Kind of like the first King of the Ring tournament. Going forward they'll likely use the tournament to prep people for bigger roles... like KOTR tournaments after the initial one Judging by the reactions, it does not feel like that has worked. If anything it feels like it’s taken the wind out of the sails a bit. The whole “establish prestige” idea SOUNDS good on paper, but that’s not always what people want to see. They want something new. Cole and Joe has been well received, people love Joe and Cole's also well liked Soho had one crowd boo her one time, Baker always gets a good crowd reaction, saying "It didn't work" is a stretch imo.
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on May 28, 2022 16:27:18 GMT -5
My initial disappointment came from believing the tournament would have 16 competitors. Instead, it had 8 competitors, and they counted the "qualifying" matches as the other competitors. But the joker didn't have an opponent, so it wasn't even 16 WITH the qualifiers.
So I was expecting more. This felt rushed and slapped together, which is weird considering they had months to prep for it.
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Post by Cyno on May 28, 2022 16:29:59 GMT -5
I really have never been able to wrap my head around even, like, the concept of a round robin tournament. Just the entire idea of having like 90 matches devoted to one single angle sounds absolutely f***ing exhausting to me. I'd say most people skip a bunch of matches because it is a lot. Only the most hardcore fans with a ton of time on their hands watch every single G1 match.
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Post by Ecks Ecks Ringout Ecks Ecks on May 28, 2022 17:51:40 GMT -5
Middle of the road on it, myself. I don't hate anyone in the finals and I'm sure the matches will be great, but it definitely hasn't played out in the way I would have preferred.
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Post by polarbearpete on May 28, 2022 19:34:50 GMT -5
The apathy here is pretty shocking tbh, like, the Tournament has put on a ton of bangers and has been constantly presented on screen. The qualifiers were fun and given plenty of time, and almost every Tourney match has felt like a banger, and presented the four finalists well "I can't believe they'd put Britt and Cole in the finals" yeah bro I can't believe they'd put two of their top experienced heels in the finals, like...? "Dax should have won it!" but Dax isn't as experienced a singles star and Cole is, and their match was fantastic anyway, every match Cole's had has been good, Joe's matches have been really entertaining, and Ruby vs Riho and Statlander were some of the best women's matches this year so far. Cole and Baker preferably both lose, I'm ok if Cole wins personally, but I don't see where the Tourney has been some "Grand misstep" and especially don't see how it's been overlooked and should never been done again, that to me is a huge reach and frankly it feels like, this Tournament's been really fun with fun matches and has lead to two strong finals that set a bar for other years. No issue with this at all. Going by the reaction here, feels like a lot disagree. The Dax-Cash match would’ve been a fun final.
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Post by sportatorium on May 28, 2022 19:51:17 GMT -5
On the men's side, giving Cole the win with Ishii, Jeff Hardy and Samoa Joe all putting him over keeps him in a top position after coming up short in the title feud with Hangman. Dax Harwood isn't a top singles wrestler, but even that one carries some weight in keeping Cole over as one of your top guys.
The women's side makes very little sense to me. Im assuming that Britt is going to put Ruby over to get her some momentum, but the entire women's bracket seems confusing and muddled to me. Toni Storm or Kris Statlander seemed like better choices to elevate with this.
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Post by Killah Ray on May 28, 2022 20:19:33 GMT -5
Cole and Britt winning to set up Cole/Britt vs Gargano/LeRay at All Out feels like where we are headed…
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Post by Kalmia on May 28, 2022 20:27:05 GMT -5
I don't think the booking of the tournament has been bad. I can see where AEW is going with it all and why they're pushing the people they're pushing.
It just happens that the majority of the winners have been the people I care the least about, so it hasn't had much interest for me personally. I have zero interest in Cole vs. Joe and only slightly more interest in Britt vs. Ruby. I'd rather have seen some fresher talent be pushed to the finals than people who were mainly established elsewhere. A win in a tournament like this could have pushed a guy like Ricky Starks to the moon.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2022 20:30:17 GMT -5
Cole and Britt winning to set up Cole/Britt vs Gargano/LeRay at All Out feels like where we are headed… Please no. Please no more masturbatory Cole/Gargano matches. That well is utterly and completely tapped out.
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Post by Susan "Poison" Candy on May 28, 2022 23:01:06 GMT -5
I could have booked it better. I will be having my HWF King of Kings Tournament at the next PPV be booked better than this Owen Hart Tournament has gone. For both Tournaments even
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Post by mrtuesday on May 29, 2022 2:30:39 GMT -5
My only complaint of the tournament has been the Darby/Hardy match. I get why they wanted their match to be hardcore. It fits their characters. But that's not what Owen Hart was known for. High flying cruiserweight action, yeah. But not ladders and tables.
And, as it's been pointed out elsewhere, having someone jump from a great hight and crashing down as part of a tournament that's in tribute to Owen Hart is in poor taste at the very least.
If they wanted to have this kind of match, fine. Just don't have it be part of the Owen Hart Memorial Tournament.
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Post by simplydurhamcalling on May 29, 2022 4:21:02 GMT -5
It's left me totally apathetic towards their PPV to the point I've no intention of buying it and largely checked out of their weekly shows so I'd say it needs a major rethink if they are to do it again. Maybe just do one a year and alternate men's and women's.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on May 29, 2022 4:22:58 GMT -5
Cole and Britt winning to set up Cole/Britt vs Gargano/LeRay at All Out feels like where we are headed… Please no. Please no more masturbatory Cole/Gargano matches. That well is utterly and completely tapped out. Their shit together was so bad it took me like two years straight of quality work to re-accept that Gargano isn't a shitty wrestler.
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