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Post by ASYLUMHAUSEN on Jun 4, 2022 0:03:04 GMT -5
They updated the rankings as soon as the show ended, is that enough for you? He beat Garcia in the main event of Dynamite, that was enough to get him to one. I told you this is how they work and that's how it would be lol OK so a guy who has won exactly one match since April, against a midcarder, vaults over three people for No. 4 to No. 1 and the No. 1 contender loses his spot despite winning his match. That makes no sense whatsoever. You know it and everyone knows it. Please link me to comments after Mox’s match where you or anyone else said, ‘Hmm, that should move him to the top of the contenders list, that’s a major victory.’ Didn’t happen. They manipulated their rankings AFTER they announced the match because a ton of people pointed out that the guy they called the No. 1 contender was actually No. 4. Who knows, maybe tomorrow we’ll wake up and they’ll have Peter Avalon at No. 1 and announce a new main event for Dynamite with him facing the battle royal winner. This is a complete joke. Way to screw over Wardlow after spending 2 1/2 years building to making him. Please hold yourself to this standard and criticize AEW the next time the No. 4 guy wins a match against a midcarder and doesn’t become the new No. 1. EDIT: If Hobbs and Starks or Toni Storm win a match and don’t become No. 1 in their divisions, remind me again how it works. It’s a Kayfabe ranking system, my guy. Shits not that serious.
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Post by oxbaker on Jun 4, 2022 0:08:02 GMT -5
OK so a guy who has won exactly one match since April, against a midcarder, vaults over three people for No. 4 to No. 1 and the No. 1 contender loses his spot despite winning his match. That makes no sense whatsoever. You know it and everyone knows it. Please link me to comments after Mox’s match where you or anyone else said, ‘Hmm, that should move him to the top of the contenders list, that’s a major victory.’ Didn’t happen. They manipulated their rankings AFTER they announced the match because a ton of people pointed out that the guy they called the No. 1 contender was actually No. 4. Who knows, maybe tomorrow we’ll wake up and they’ll have Peter Avalon at No. 1 and announce a new main event for Dynamite with him facing the battle royal winner. This is a complete joke. Way to screw over Wardlow after spending 2 1/2 years building to making him. Please hold yourself to this standard and criticize AEW the next time the No. 4 guy wins a match against a midcarder and doesn’t become the new No. 1. EDIT: If Hobbs and Starks or Toni Storm win a match and don’t become No. 1 in their divisions, remind me again how it works. It’s a Kayfabe ranking system, my guy. Shits not that serious. But it makes zero sense in kayfabe. Mox has one singles win since April and it was over a guy with four singles wins in all of 2022 … and he jumped up four spots to No. 1. Just don’t have a ratings system. Or come up with an explanation that doesn’t involve Mox as the No. 1 contender — say he gets a pass because he’s a former champ or something. Or just have Wardlow be No. 1, book Mox to win the battle royal and have Mox beat him if that’s who they want to wrestle for the championship at the cross-promotion. But if Wardlow was No. 1 contender on Wednesday there is zero kayfabe explanation for putting Mox over him. They did it because Punk got hurt and they don’t want Wardlow in that position. Which is stupid to me because he’s a hot act who is super over and who they just culminated a 2 1/2-year build. To me they’ve completely undercut him from the moment he won. And to me that’s shameful.
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Post by lockedontarget on Jun 4, 2022 0:15:26 GMT -5
The rankings system has always taken quality of opponents into consideration.
Mox beat a much more credible opponent than Wardlow did on Dynamite and shot up.
The ranking system has also always been loose and used more as a way to give some context to things than what you seem to want from it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 0:15:41 GMT -5
Mox is undefeated as a single's competitor in AEW since losing to Lance Archer for the IWGP US title back last year.
He's also a former champion.
That... pretty much makes you an easy #1 contender. In the UFC, which is a shoot, or in boxing, which is also a shoot, people have been considered #1 contenders for less. That's all I gotta say.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 0:16:30 GMT -5
They updated the rankings as soon as the show ended, is that enough for you? He beat Garcia in the main event of Dynamite, that was enough to get him to one. I told you this is how they work and that's how it would be lol OK so a guy who has won exactly one match since April, against a midcarder, vaults over three people for No. 4 to No. 1 and the No. 1 contender loses his spot despite winning his match. That makes no sense whatsoever. You know it and everyone knows it. Please link me to comments after Mox’s match where you or anyone else said, ‘Hmm, that should move him to the top of the contenders list, that’s a major victory.’ Didn’t happen. They manipulated their rankings AFTER they announced the match because a ton of people pointed out that the guy they called the No. 1 contender was actually No. 4. Who knows, maybe tomorrow we’ll wake up and they’ll have Peter Avalon at No. 1 and announce a new main event for Dynamite with him facing the battle royal winner. This is a complete joke. Way to screw over Wardlow after spending 2 1/2 years building to making him. Please hold yourself to this standard and criticize AEW the next time the No. 4 guy wins a match against a midcarder and doesn’t become the new No. 1. EDIT: If Hobbs and Starks or Toni Storm win a match and don’t become No. 1 in their divisions, remind me again how it works. Oh, and I just looked it up: Garcia has four singles wins in 2002 lol. I guess Wardlow should demand a match with him and get a title shot if he wins. God damn dude, it was a f***ing audible to get a top guy to number one because their champion went down to injury, Cole's hurt, Hangman's already in a match, and Wardlow just became All Elite and could be in the Battle Royale and win it anyway? But even if he doesn't this somehow "Screws him over"? This isn't as serious as you're making it. A disgrace? Really? Like this is the shit we're talking about after tonight? "The grand injustice of the ranking system"? Forgive me if I'm just f***ing exhausted by it at this point. Don't come at me telling me to "Hold a standard next time and criticize them" on something when I see literally no issue with one of the top guys in AEW from almost jump street being the number one contender in a literal pinch when he was already in the top five and people ahead of him are already tied up in shit. I can't believe after Punk's speech this is the type of stuff we have to hyperfixate on, I'm just done with it after this post because there's no point in continuing, you're going to hate it anyway, but there's my two cents, probably worthless but whatever, I'm not going to exhaust myself further on it, for the best I would think.
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Post by cj3 on Jun 4, 2022 0:21:13 GMT -5
Let me get my negative out of the way first: I am glad we're not getting another Summer of Punk. I've found his return very lackluster and disappointing, and honestly if Punk was gonna win the title, it should've been down the line
WITH THAT SAID, I as a human being absolutely hate to see any sort of injury happen to anyone, especially of this magnitude. I send every bit of positive Energy towards him and wish him a speedy and healthy recovery 💯.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 4, 2022 0:22:45 GMT -5
It’s a Kayfabe ranking system, my guy. Shits not that serious. But it makes zero sense in kayfabe. Mox has one singles win since April and it was over a guy with four singles wins in all of 2022 … and he jumped up four spots to No. 1. Just don’t have a ratings system. Or come up with an explanation that doesn’t involve Mox as the No. 1 contender — say he gets a pass because he’s a former champ or something. Or just have Wardlow be No. 1, book Mox to win the battle royal and have Mox beat him if that’s who they want to wrestle for the championship at the cross-promotion. But if Wardlow was No. 1 contender on Wednesday there is zero kayfabe explanation for putting Mox over him. They did it because Punk got hurt and they don’t want Wardlow in that position. Which is stupid to me because he’s a hot act who is super over and who they just culminated a 2 1/2-year build. To me they’ve completely undercut him from the moment he won. And to me that’s shameful. Because legit combat sports are well known for strictly following a subjective ratings system if it means a worse matchup. And having an incredibly over but green dude should hotshotted to a main event on a workrate heavy show would undercut him anymore than having a TV feud where he can continue to wreck shit would
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Post by oxbaker on Jun 4, 2022 0:26:02 GMT -5
Mox is undefeated as a single's competitor in AEW since losing to Lance Archer for the IWGP US title back last year. He's also a former champion. That... pretty much makes you an easy #1 contender. In the UFC, which is a shoot, or in boxing, which is also a shoot, people have been considered #1 contenders for less. That's all I gotta say. Then why was he No. 4 until Punk got hurt? Why was Wardlow No. 1? His ‘strength of schedule’ bonus was beating a guy with four singles wins this year. That’s beyond a joke.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 0:32:27 GMT -5
Mox is undefeated as a single's competitor in AEW since losing to Lance Archer for the IWGP US title back last year. He's also a former champion. That... pretty much makes you an easy #1 contender. In the UFC, which is a shoot, or in boxing, which is also a shoot, people have been considered #1 contenders for less. That's all I gotta say. Then why was he No. 4 until Punk got hurt? Why was Wardlow No. 1? His ‘strength of schedule’ bonus was beating a guy with four singles wins this year. That’s beyond a joke. Why does the UFC do everything in their power to get McGregor into the title picture? Because A. he's held the title before and B. he's a draw who sells tickets and usually has exciting fights. That's in a real, legit, no to low kayfabe sport. Guys who've held the title before almost universally get a shot. That's the way it's been in boxing/mma for decades.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Jun 4, 2022 0:34:39 GMT -5
Mox is undefeated as a single's competitor in AEW since losing to Lance Archer for the IWGP US title back last year. He's also a former champion. That... pretty much makes you an easy #1 contender. In the UFC, which is a shoot, or in boxing, which is also a shoot, people have been considered #1 contenders for less. That's all I gotta say. Then why was he No. 4 until Punk got hurt? Why was Wardlow No. 1? His ‘strength of schedule’ bonus was beating a guy with four singles wins this year. That’s beyond a joke. Beyond a joke is trying and failing multiple times to push people's buttons with tired bad booking because I can't follow the product BS. Be better, later.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jun 4, 2022 0:38:19 GMT -5
The biggest reason I can't see Tanahashi actually being interim champion is that that kind of leaves AEW looking like shit compared to NJPW because Okada isn't losing his match.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 0:42:21 GMT -5
The biggest reason I can't see Tanahashi actually being interim champion is that that kind of leaves AEW looking like shit compared to NJPW because Okada isn't losing his match. Yeah, I don't think this'll be a Superclash situation where it's every org involved actively trying to screw the other, but New Japan and AEW are going to make sure their champs go over in their matches, I can almost guarantee it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 4, 2022 0:43:13 GMT -5
The biggest reason I can't see Tanahashi actually being interim champion is that that kind of leaves AEW looking like shit compared to NJPW because Okada isn't losing his match. The interesting thing is they've stopped saying it's Tanahashi on socials. I'm wondering if it's gonna be someone else from New Japan going for the belt now and they audible to Mox vs Tana at the show in non title fashion... I'm curious exactly how much it all changes
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Post by Nosnorb on Jun 4, 2022 0:54:44 GMT -5
Wardlow vs Tanahashi would absolutely slap, I have no doubt about that, and considering just how hard he has been pushed and how he was made to look like an absolute badass, that match would have absolutely been worthy of Forbidden Door in my book.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 4, 2022 0:55:58 GMT -5
The biggest reason I can't see Tanahashi actually being interim champion is that that kind of leaves AEW looking like shit compared to NJPW because Okada isn't losing his match. The interesting thing is they've stopped saying it's Tanahashi on socials. I'm wondering if it's gonna be someone else from New Japan going for the belt now and they audible to Mox vs Tana at the show in non title fashion... I'm curious exactly how much it all changes They said Tanahashi was the getting the shot on Rampage, but they also said about 15 other things within a 5 minute period so by Wednesday we could have Wardlow vs. Toru Yano
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Jun 4, 2022 0:58:06 GMT -5
The Forbidden Door is the wrench in the works here, because there's more at stake than what works best for AEW. NJPW being up for a co-promoted PPV with Tanahashi in a dream match vs Punk or another star of Punk's caliber is a very different proposition than NJPW being up for Tanahashi helping to establish an untested AEW project like, say, Wardlow.
If the interim champ isn't necessarily getting that match, it opens the door a lot wider on who might win the title next.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2022 0:58:27 GMT -5
The interesting thing is they've stopped saying it's Tanahashi on socials. I'm wondering if it's gonna be someone else from New Japan going for the belt now and they audible to Mox vs Tana at the show in non title fashion... I'm curious exactly how much it all changes They said Tanahashi was the getting the shot on Rampage, but they also said about 15 other things within a 5 minute period so by Wednesday we could have Wardlow vs. Toru Yano I... now want that match.
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Post by TOK Hehe'd Around & Found Out on Jun 4, 2022 1:02:57 GMT -5
They said Tanahashi was the getting the shot on Rampage, but they also said about 15 other things within a 5 minute period so by Wednesday we could have Wardlow vs. Toru Yano I... now want that match. Oh I do too, legit might be the best idea for Wardlow as long as it's nowhere near any belt, including on the referee
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jun 4, 2022 1:50:19 GMT -5
It was supposed to be the Summer of Punk... well the third time. At least this one wasn’t ruined by a fragile ego I think it is, it's obvious that Punk's just ducking Brandon Cutler.
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 4, 2022 1:52:38 GMT -5
The reason Mox makes sense for this is because one he's been circling around Tana for nearly a year and two he's been quietly having the best year of anyone on Earth. Nobody else has had a 4.5 star+ match in four different companies with wildly different opponents. He's earned this, and him/Tana would absolutely be both a better match than Tana/MJF and Tana/Wardlow, it would also be a satisfying story.
It also makes sense to have a guy that's been champ before win it like this since you don't need a big interm title win going for a guys first title.
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