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Post by stoptheclocks on Jun 7, 2022 1:35:10 GMT -5
This could be really good for both guys, but I can’t shake the “Mustafa Ali leading Retribution” feeling. Is it saving a floundering group or just changing the captain of the sinking ship? I hope not, but I feel like the WWE have shown us what they think of Finn Balor over and over again. But we'll see.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 7, 2022 1:41:02 GMT -5
I feel like it's a move that's probably a decent decision, but it's going to be vital that they A. provide an adequate explanation. Doesn't need to be great, just, adequate. And, this is the bigger one, B. Edge needs to do more to be a face here than "Other bad guys beat me up :c". Please have some kind of character growth.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2022 1:43:57 GMT -5
Right call
But if it's just gonna mean Finn is still the same loser WWE always books him as? It's gonna suck. Also curious how promos go tbh, let alone the direction of the team
Edge as a heel sucked, the stable sucked, so I'm not gonna be too hard on it, it basically needed to be blown up, but kayfabe wise, it was abrupt and made absolutely no sense for a team who just had their first match as an official group to immediately get Finn to turn and kill their leader. In a WWE world where it feels like storylines go on for too long, this is something that actually needed to have like... any build at all and it just didn't, so it was weird. This is the kinda "swerve, bro" stuff that feels way more like TNA/WCW 2000 to me, again, not the worst call in the world, but that outta nowhere craziness for the sake of it.
It's funny that Edge cut his hair for this too, dude was really trying, but f*** me it wasn't working. Feels like he had an idea and WWE kept messing with it. Might as well try and get some other people over... either that or this stable turns into geeks really f***ing fast, it could really swing one way or the other here.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 7, 2022 1:47:01 GMT -5
... So does the group get new theme music, entrance etc now? Because it wasn't just an Edge led stable, it was an Edge THEMED stable. Watching Rhea come out with Edge symbols on her tron and them in the ring with Edge going "YOU THINK YOU KNOW ME? HAHAHA YOU NEVER DID!" to end the RAW was pretty painful not gonna lie Also tells me this turn was not planned out in advance, or they woulda had new trons and new theme music ready to go, at least EDIT OUT EDGE from the trons and the intro... but they didn't even do that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 2:01:38 GMT -5
The worst thing about this all is how little sense it makes.
It's always been the problem with WWE. There's no continuity or logic to the stories. They just make decisions on the fly and figure it out later instead of booking a good story from start to finish like AEW did with Hangman and Omega for example.
It was literally only around 4 weeks ago when Rhea turned heel and aligned with Edge.
4 weeks.
Now all of a sudden she doesn't want his guidance and wisdom anymore? She wants the loser who's ass got kicked on Sunday night?
This was supposed to build Priest and Rhea up. There was rumors of Ciampa and T Bar getting added. They all would've benefit from Edge. This is like the Wyatt Family kicking Bray Wyatt out... Or The Ministry kicking Taker out. The whole faction is built around HIM.
Now what have we got? Another Retribution. Finn Balor is never gonna be taken seriously in this company. And might I add, its only about 2 months since Priest was kicking HIS ass too. Great continuity and storytelling there.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Jun 7, 2022 2:21:13 GMT -5
I think if Finn goes full on Real Rockenrolla you're gonna see the best Finn you've ever seen. Weird timing though I really hope so because as a guy who will always stan any wrestler from the British Isles, I've never seen what makes Balor any good besides "he's hot". And yes I've seen his NJPW work. Really hope he finally makes me "get" him
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Post by theironyuppie on Jun 7, 2022 2:55:01 GMT -5
The worst thing about this all is how little sense it makes. It's always been the problem with WWE. There's no continuity or logic to the stories. They just make decisions on the fly and figure it out later instead of booking a good story from start to finish like AEW did with Hangman and Omega for example. It was literally only around 4 weeks ago when Rhea turned heel and aligned with Edge. 4 weeks. Now all of a sudden she doesn't want his guidance and wisdom anymore? She wants the loser who's ass got kicked on Sunday night? This was supposed to build Priest and Rhea up. There was rumors of Ciampa and T Bar getting added. They all would've benefit from Edge. This is like the Wyatt Family kicking Bray Wyatt out... Or The Ministry kicking Taker out. The whole faction is built around HIM. Now what have we got? Another Retribution. Finn Balor is never gonna be taken seriously in this company. And might I add, its only about 2 months since Priest was kicking HIS ass too. Great continuity and storytelling there.
I don't think Finn's just replacing Edge as leader. Based on the segment there was quite a bit of Rhea and Priest directing traffic, and Rhea's the one with the title shot.
This was also some interesting foreshadowing, particularly as she was the one who stomped out the bit of chair to set up said move:
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 7, 2022 3:14:55 GMT -5
The worst thing about this all is how little sense it makes. It's always been the problem with WWE. There's no continuity or logic to the stories. They just make decisions on the fly and figure it out later instead of booking a good story from start to finish like AEW did with Hangman and Omega for example. It was literally only around 4 weeks ago when Rhea turned heel and aligned with Edge. 4 weeks. Now all of a sudden she doesn't want his guidance and wisdom anymore? She wants the loser who's ass got kicked on Sunday night? This was supposed to build Priest and Rhea up. There was rumors of Ciampa and T Bar getting added. They all would've benefit from Edge. This is like the Wyatt Family kicking Bray Wyatt out... Or The Ministry kicking Taker out. The whole faction is built around HIM. Now what have we got? Another Retribution. Finn Balor is never gonna be taken seriously in this company. And might I add, its only about 2 months since Priest was kicking HIS ass too. Great continuity and storytelling there. I don't think Finn's just replacing Edge as leader. Based on the segment there was quite a bit of Rhea and Priest directing traffic, and Rhea's the one with the title shot. This was also some interesting foreshadowing, particularly as she was the one who stomped out the bit of chair to set up said move:
Wonder if they'll have Beth and Rhea wrestle sometime. Wouldn't be surprised if she cost Rhea her Bianca match, especially if Rhea was cheating and thus Bianca doesn't look bad having someone even the score on her behalf. It also solves the problem of it being potentially too soon to have Bianca lose the title, since Rhea's one of the only fresh options as far as people to beat her. A win over Beth would also not be a bad feather in Rhea's cap.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 3:25:44 GMT -5
I mean, we're talking about how they've given Finn no credibility recently (again, killed off the very over Demon gimmick for no other reason than to do it) but...having him take out Edge, dethrone him from his own group and now lead it in his place, setting up a big time feud with him? That's a way to get him back on track.
I'm someone whose as cynical about WWE as anyone can be and even I can admit this was a good move.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jun 7, 2022 3:31:43 GMT -5
I mean on one hand it made absolutely no sense to the point where I'm having way too much fun thinking about a whole cult devoted to Edge gathering without him and coming to the conclusion that damn this guy's a f***ing loser
But on the other hand I think that just ending the Edge version of it now rather than keep dragging it out and trying to make it work is a good move. God speed ESPN Vamps.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 3:35:30 GMT -5
But on the other hand I think that just ending the Edge version of it now rather than keep dragging it out and trying to make it work is a good move. God speed ESPN Vamps. And frankly, this is WWE. They very rarely give up something unless they absolutely have to and everyone is sick of it so, and this is rare for me to say, props for having that awareness for once.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 7, 2022 3:44:28 GMT -5
But on the other hand I think that just ending the Edge version of it now rather than keep dragging it out and trying to make it work is a good move. God speed ESPN Vamps. And frankly, this is WWE. They very rarely give up something unless they absolutely have to and everyone is sick of it so, and this is rare for me to say, props for having that awareness for once. Yeah, as I said earlier. Judgement Day in it's original form WAS NOT working. The fact the WWE dropped this so quickly is amazing.
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Post by welshpenguin on Jun 7, 2022 4:06:23 GMT -5
Although I was one of the few who enjoyed The Judgment Day & all it’s members, I still loved this swerve, as it was a genuine wtf moment! I’m interested in Finn as a heel on the main roster. Hope it’s as good as heel run on nxt.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 4:09:36 GMT -5
And frankly, this is WWE. They very rarely give up something unless they absolutely have to and everyone is sick of it so, and this is rare for me to say, props for having that awareness for once. Yeah, as I said earlier. Judgement Day in it's original form WAS NOT working. The fact the WWE dropped this so quickly is amazing. And usually, I'd be annoyed by how quickly it was but also, usual situations don't involve people still wanting to nostalgia pop the veteran whose career we all thought was done until he speared Elias in 2019 and then subsequently returned at the Royal Rumble the next year. Along with that, wrestling is a medium where you can chop and change story beats on the fly because you don't have to commit to it if it doesn't work and you're not recording and taping hours of programming that'll air eventually. If something doesn't click, you can change it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jun 7, 2022 4:15:35 GMT -5
Yeah, as I said earlier. Judgement Day in it's original form WAS NOT working. The fact the WWE dropped this so quickly is amazing. And usually, I'd be annoyed by how quickly it was but also, usual situations don't involve people still wanting to nostalgia pop the veteran whose career we all thought was done until he speared Elias in 2019 and then subsequently returned at the Royal Rumble the next year. Along with that, wrestling is a medium where you can chop and change story beats on the fly because you don't have to commit to it if it doesn't work and you're not recording and taping hours of programming that'll air eventually. If something doesn't click, you can change it. Also like yeah the stable itself is relatively new... but Edge has been doing this gimmick for like 4 months... and in that time it HAS NOT clicked... I don't know what he was going for but... whatever it was... it wasn't working...
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 4:35:30 GMT -5
And usually, I'd be annoyed by how quickly it was but also, usual situations don't involve people still wanting to nostalgia pop the veteran whose career we all thought was done until he speared Elias in 2019 and then subsequently returned at the Royal Rumble the next year. Along with that, wrestling is a medium where you can chop and change story beats on the fly because you don't have to commit to it if it doesn't work and you're not recording and taping hours of programming that'll air eventually. If something doesn't click, you can change it. Also like yeah the stable itself is relatively new... but Edge has been doing this gimmick for like 4 months... and in that time it HAS NOT clicked... I don't know what he was going for but... whatever it was... it wasn't working... It was just off their idea that there must be a heel and a face for feuds, like the one against AJ, but it's like...two faces fighting each other at WrestleMania won't kill you, you know. Especially two guys like Edge and AJ Styles who lose nothing from it as they're both well established and people like them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2022 5:44:02 GMT -5
And usually, I'd be annoyed by how quickly it was but also, usual situations don't involve people still wanting to nostalgia pop the veteran whose career we all thought was done until he speared Elias in 2019 and then subsequently returned at the Royal Rumble the next year. Along with that, wrestling is a medium where you can chop and change story beats on the fly because you don't have to commit to it if it doesn't work and you're not recording and taping hours of programming that'll air eventually. If something doesn't click, you can change it. Also like yeah the stable itself is relatively new... but Edge has been doing this gimmick for like 4 months... and in that time it HAS NOT clicked... I don't know what he was going for but... whatever it was... it wasn't working... They should've just gone for a Brood/Ministry type stable where Edge captures wrestlers and they look more gothic and vampire esque each week.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 7, 2022 5:49:07 GMT -5
Also like yeah the stable itself is relatively new... but Edge has been doing this gimmick for like 4 months... and in that time it HAS NOT clicked... I don't know what he was going for but... whatever it was... it wasn't working... They should've just gone for a Brood/Ministry type stable where Edge captures wrestlers and they look more gothic and vampire esque each week. I mean...that wouldn't have solved the issue. If anything, they might have been cheered more.
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Post by Corre.222 on Jun 7, 2022 5:58:20 GMT -5
Edge was only heel for 2.5 months… I didn’t see much demand previously for a Edge face turn previously and I was really enjoying his heel run & heel work & heel promos (even if he sometimes ragged on sports teams). Will the faction be the same now without this elite mouthpiece guiding it? Finn makes sense as a new member but not with Edge back to face so quickly like Big Show. Makes the heel promos by him or anyone meaningless.
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Post by Chainsaw on Jun 7, 2022 6:45:57 GMT -5
So, since they're using TNA logic for everything in WWE now, we should expect Rhea and Damien and/or Priest to turn on Finn in a few weeks as a DIABOLICAL 4D CHESS move engineered by Edge, huh?
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