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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 2, 2024 13:07:57 GMT -5
I was today years old when I found out that this movie is a musical and imagining finding that out in realtime in theatres sounds f***ing hilarious. The legit new Hollywood thing to do is NOT advertise when a movie is a musical because they believe "Less will want to go and see it", this was already seen with the Wonka remake, was a musical, NEVER advertised as one Because that will make audiences want to see your films more, LYING TO THEM! it's not even that new an advertising technique Sweeney Todd they cut all the trailers to make it look like it wasn't a musical, because I guess they figured the Tim Burton/Johnny Depp fans wouldn't see it
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 2, 2024 13:09:20 GMT -5
To be fair, Phillips wanted to jump ship after the first one and had to be dragged kicking and screaming back for the sequel. I wouldn't be shocked if he made this one as unappealing to everybody who loved the first just so he wouldn't be asked back for a third. Even before the first one he was acting like it was beneath him and talking about how embarrassing being a comic book movie was, even though it's his script that has a part where Joker is hit by a car for literally no reason and then instantly recovers from it like some GTA shit. and how he had to like sneak making a REAL movie by putting a joker mask on it. When all he did was rip off Scorcese poorly.
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Post by darbus alan on Oct 2, 2024 13:18:52 GMT -5
Even before the first one he was acting like it was beneath him and talking about how embarrassing being a comic book movie was, even though it's his script that has a part where Joker is hit by a car for literally no reason and then instantly recovers from it like some GTA shit. and how he had to like sneak making a REAL movie by putting a joker mask on it. When all he did was rip off Scorcese poorly. Yeah the movie was basically a remake of The King of Comedy with a DC Comics coat of paint. The movie was completely carried by Joaquin Phoenix's brilliant performance as Arthur.
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Post by salz4life on Oct 2, 2024 13:26:25 GMT -5
and how he had to like sneak making a REAL movie by putting a joker mask on it. When all he did was rip off Scorcese poorly. Yeah the movie was basically a remake of The King of Comedy with a DC Comics coat of paint. The movie was completely carried by Joaquin Phoenix's brilliant performance as Arthur. It's funny because when I went so this in the theater I felt like I had seen the entire premise before. I still enjoyed, but I felt like I had seen it before. A couple weeks later, I just happened to watch King of Comedy and got to the end and was like.... "Wait a minute...." LOL
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 2, 2024 18:51:06 GMT -5
I’m definitely going to see this at some point (I might wait for the Blu-ray/DVD release), but my expectations have definitely shifted from legitimate interest to morbid curiosity.
The first film was really good. It could have been great if it was tightened up and had about 30 minutes hacked off, but I digress.
It’s unfortunate because I’ve always loved the Joker character and Todd Phillips is incredibly talented. I’m not sure how much of this movie is his vision and how much of it was influenced by studio executives. Between it being a big money sequel and a vehicle for Lady Gaga’s music it just stinks of studio interference.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 2, 2024 19:25:36 GMT -5
Down to 53% now on 74 reviews. Very real chance this eventually winds up in the low-to-mid-40s.
Edit: 79 reviews managed to drop it down to 49% so this might end up going even lower.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 2, 2024 19:38:54 GMT -5
It’s unfortunate because I’ve always loved the Joker character and Todd Phillips is incredibly talented. I’m not sure how much of this movie is his vision and how much of it was influenced by studio executives. Between it being a big money sequel and a vehicle for Lady Gaga’s music it just stinks of studio interference. The musical part was mostly Phoenix's idea.
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Post by madness50 on Oct 2, 2024 23:36:20 GMT -5
Just read the plot synopsis, sounds awful to me. Makes very little sense and makes the first one seem pointless.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Oct 2, 2024 23:48:19 GMT -5
It’s unfortunate because I’ve always loved the Joker character and Todd Phillips is incredibly talented. I’m not sure how much of this movie is his vision and how much of it was influenced by studio executives. Between it being a big money sequel and a vehicle for Lady Gaga’s music it just stinks of studio interference. The musical part was mostly Phoenix's idea. Between this and I’m Still Here (2010) Joaquin Phoenix really comes out of this looking like the Damien Sandow/Aron Stevens of Hollywood. A talented onscreen presence whose behind the scenes ideas probably should have stayed offscreen. Also, the part of the Variety article I bolded kind of tells me everything I need to know about the film already lol.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 3, 2024 0:46:51 GMT -5
Reading the full plot synopsis is kind of enough on its own to see why reviews are calling this boring. Shockingly little seems to actually happen in these 138 minutes.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 3, 2024 0:49:02 GMT -5
Between this and I’m Still Here (2010) Joaquin Phoenix really comes out of this looking like the Damien Sandow/Aron Stevens of Hollywood. A talented onscreen presence whose behind the scenes ideas probably should have stayed offscreen. And based on him bailing on at least two movies mere days from filming – Split, where he was replaced with James McAvoy, and period piece gay romance, which was cancelled – and threatening to quit Napoleon towards the end of filming, it's questionable as to whether his on-screen talent is really worth the headaches he has developed a habit of creating.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 3, 2024 1:45:23 GMT -5
I was gonna go and see this, but I am reconsidering. I don't mind a film being bad, if it isn't boring. But if a film is boring, then thay is a killer for me.
But, with it being over 2 hours, I know if I dont go to the cinema to see it, I never will. Because I cant watch long movies at home, I end up thinking about other stuff to do.
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Post by thechase on Oct 3, 2024 2:43:42 GMT -5
This feels less like a sequel and more of a coda. You could probably trim it down to thirty minutes and tack it on to the first one.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Oct 3, 2024 4:45:02 GMT -5
The musical part was mostly Phoenix's idea. Between this and I’m Still Here (2010) Joaquin Phoenix really comes out of this looking like the Damien Sandow/Aron Stevens of Hollywood. A talented onscreen presence whose behind the scenes ideas probably should have stayed offscreen. Also, the part of the Variety article I bolded kind of tells me everything I need to know about the film already lol. Dude said yes to that Napoleon film disaster, he has definitely whiffed quite a lot since the Oscar win.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Oct 3, 2024 7:35:37 GMT -5
Between this and I’m Still Here (2010) Joaquin Phoenix really comes out of this looking like the Damien Sandow/Aron Stevens of Hollywood. A talented onscreen presence whose behind the scenes ideas probably should have stayed offscreen. And based on him bailing on at least two movies mere days from filming – Split, where he was replaced with James McAvoy, and period piece gay romance, which was cancelled – and threatening to quit Napoleon towards the end of filming, it's questionable as to whether his on-screen talent is really worth the headaches he has developed a habit of creating. Maybe he should have quit Napoleon >_>
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Oct 3, 2024 7:48:04 GMT -5
I'll have a bit of a soft spot for him having grown up in a cult and his brother's death, but yeah, Phoenix always seemed like kinda a douche in any interviews I've seen.
Like the type who would get mad if you said he stars in "movies" instead of "films".
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Oct 3, 2024 8:21:41 GMT -5
So I just learned of this, where Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix have all said the movie is not a musical and instead (Gaga's words) "the music is used to really give the characters a way to express what they need to say because the scene and dialogue is just not enough". Y'know, like a musical.
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Post by Ryushinku on Oct 3, 2024 9:05:14 GMT -5
It's not a musical, in the same way that this is not a movie but a collection of moving images synced up to sound, telling a story.
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Post by gerbilfacedgeek on Oct 3, 2024 10:12:51 GMT -5
My thing about the Joker series is this:
I only saw the first one, and by the way this is going that'll be all I see.
It was a very good movie. But it would be ironically better if it WASN'T about The Joker, or a loose version of The Joker.
It would work with any murderous/disgruntled clown character. The DC stuff just felt forced in.
Don't get me started on its more pretentious meanings, some of which were invented by certain people who saw it.
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Post by BRV on Oct 3, 2024 10:23:47 GMT -5
So I just learned of this, where Phillips, Gaga, and Phoenix have all said the movie is not a musical and instead (Gaga's words) "the music is used to really give the characters a way to express what they need to say because the scene and dialogue is just not enough". Y'know, like a musical. I don't get why they're so horrified of promoting it as what it is. You intentionally made your movie a musical. You cast a pop star in your co-lead role. You described the movie as a musical during production. Then, when it's time to actually sell the movie to audiences, you back off all the way and say, "Wait a minute, it's not actually a musical!" This thing is going to be a fiasco. They've already cut the opening weekend box office projections in half, and the reviews aren't helping.
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