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Post by john84 on Jun 27, 2022 12:13:47 GMT -5
The narrative went from "Steph and Trips are on the outs" to "Steph and Trips are the successors, yes men be damned" so quickly this past fortnight I swear I've got whiplash. If you’ve got whiplash what do you think Kevin Dunn, Pritchard have ? And I love that fact especially for Kevin Dunn to be told to f*** off. Pritchard and Dunn when they realise Steph and Triple H are back  < Pritchard  < Dunn  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2022 12:19:08 GMT -5
And this is IMO the worst case scenario now because it has been said many times that it was never going to be the singular accusation that would bring down Vince let alone his empire but the snowball rolling down the hill that would expose everything else and so it begins.
I expect the massage incident wont be far off from being brought back up.
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Post by john84 on Jun 27, 2022 12:21:05 GMT -5
And this is IMO the worst case scenario now because it has been said many times that it was never going to be the singular accusation that would bring down Vince let alone his empire but the snowball rolling down the hill that would expose everything else and so it begins. I expect the massage incident wont be far off from being brought back up. Yeah, I agree. In all seriousness it was always more likely to be a snowball effect IF Vince were to ever be ''taken down'' as it were. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 27, 2022 13:04:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt the NY Magazine is going to be the place that causes Vince to break. Their reach is, while not small, is still much smaller than places like CNN were. And they already had Dave on to talk about this, and it was very clear that the folks at CNN really did not care, and were just doing it to fill up the slow news hour of the day. And you aren't going to see places like NBC News or FOX cover this story, because they are both partnered with WWE. When you say “Fox”, do you mean the actual Fox network or Fox News, which is a completely different organization that won’t air this news for a completely different reason than business arrangements with WWE. |
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Post by mistery on Jun 27, 2022 13:06:32 GMT -5
Yeah, I doubt the NY Magazine is going to be the place that causes Vince to break. Their reach is, while not small, is still much smaller than places like CNN were. And they already had Dave on to talk about this, and it was very clear that the folks at CNN really did not care, and were just doing it to fill up the slow news hour of the day. And you aren't going to see places like NBC News or FOX cover this story, because they are both partnered with WWE. When you say “Fox”, do you mean the actual Fox network or Fox News, which is a completely different organization that won’t air this news for a completely different reason than business arrangements with WWE. Fox News is part of the Fox Network. They are owned by the same people. |
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Post by Legion on Jun 27, 2022 13:09:15 GMT -5
This isnt a new accusation and seems to be one they were able to challenge and make go away before.
Not that that means anything, as these things tend to pick up steam as more and more come out and I'm in no way saying it should go away or shouldn't be believed just because it's old.
I expect the story about Vince on the boat from 2006 will resurface soon as well.
But what I am saying is there will need to be more than the old stories to keep him away from his Chairman role longer than this investigation, imo anyway.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 27, 2022 13:10:53 GMT -5
The Wall St. Journal is owned by Rupert Murdoch and they originally broke the story. FOX isn't exactly the pinnacle of journalistic integrity but I don't think there will be a gag order necessarily because FOX has wrestling every Friday. In the grand scheme of things, WWE is barely a blip in their media empire and could be replaced in a heartbeat. If that was the case, the WSJ and other outlets could barely report on anything given how many things they have their hands on. FOX Sports will report on a ton of NFL controversies even if FOX is paying the NFL a ton of money.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 27, 2022 13:11:24 GMT -5
When you say “Fox”, do you mean the actual Fox network or Fox News, which is a completely different organization that won’t air this news for a completely different reason than business arrangements with WWE. Fox News is part of the Fox Network. They are owned by the same people. No, they aren’t and haven’t been for years. Fox sold it off years ago when it became too toxic for some investors, which was convenient when the talks regarding the acquisition by Disney started. |
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jun 27, 2022 13:12:37 GMT -5
This isnt a new accusation and seems to be one they were able to challenge and make go away before. Not that that means anything, as these things tend to pick up steam as more and more come out and I'm in no way saying it should go away or shouldn't be believed just because it's old. I expect the story about Vince on the boat from 2006 will resurface soon as well. But what I am saying is there will need to be more than the old stories to keep him away from his Chairman role longer than this investigation, imo anyway. This is the first time a wrestler went on the record to corroborate her story. It may not make a huge difference but it is a notable part of the story. |
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Post by mistery on Jun 27, 2022 13:13:07 GMT -5
Fox News is part of the Fox Network. They are owned by the same people. No, they aren’t and haven’t been for years. Fox sold it off years ago when it became too toxic for some investors, which was convenient when the talks regarding the acquisition by Disney started. Nope. FOX Network is FOX News, FOX Sports, and local FOX affiliates. Which is where Smackdown airs. Disney only bought 20th Century FOX stuff. |
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jun 27, 2022 13:32:59 GMT -5
No, they aren’t and haven’t been for years. Fox sold it off years ago when it became too toxic for some investors, which was convenient when the talks regarding the acquisition by Disney started. Nope. FOX Network is FOX News, FOX Sports, and local FOX affiliates. Which is where Smackdown airs. Disney only bought 20th Century FOX stuff. I swear that it was spun off completely and was not part of the Disney acquisition. I even remember articles saying that they were no longer a part of Fox Media back then. A brief search says I am mistaken. I thought it'd be really weird that Disney, a company who is pretty famous for their control over their employees, lets a subsidiary cheerlead against the parent company the way FN did recently. |
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Post by mistery on Jun 27, 2022 13:39:50 GMT -5
Nope. FOX Network is FOX News, FOX Sports, and local FOX affiliates. Which is where Smackdown airs. Disney only bought 20th Century FOX stuff. I swear that it was spun off completely and was not part of the Disney acquisition. I even remember articles saying that they were no longer a part of Fox Media back then. A brief search says I am mistaken. I thought it'd be really weird that Disney, a company who is pretty famous for their control over their employees, lets a subsidiary cheerlead against the parent company the way FN did recently. That's the kicker here. I don't think corporations care if subsidiaries cheerlead against them or whatever as long as they are making money. It's also why WWE likely isn't in much jeopardy of losing their TV deals over Vince's...indiscretions. Because WWE is absolutely essential to NBCU right now and basically the only thing keeping USA Network afloat. Likewise, Smackdown usually rates #1 for the night across all of TV. Where the shows FOX used to air in that slot were usually dead last or second to last, at least among local channels. And as long as WWE's TV deal money is solid, and the Saudi deal is in place, the most likely scenario is the ol Activision-Blizzard situation where AKB "investigates" itself and clears itself of any wrongdoing. It's going to take something way more recent (which is why the NYMag story isn't gonna get much traction) and much more scandalous than adultery (the hush money stuff) to bring down Vince. |
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 27, 2022 14:14:34 GMT -5
I wonder how long it’ll be until the “Vince quite possibly helped to cover up a murder” stuff goes public again as well? I don't know how much that one would damage him given the story there seems to be more, "Cops were really indifferent towards woman killed in drug related crime". The "I'm in the garbage business" quote is certainly telling, that knowing Snuka was probably a murderer didn't really have much effect on him, but if the police gave a shit, they'd have acted. |
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Post by MolotovMocktail on Jun 27, 2022 16:16:39 GMT -5
I wonder how long it’ll be until the “Vince quite possibly helped to cover up a murder” stuff goes public again as well? I don't know how much that one would damage him given the story there seems to be more, "Cops were really indifferent towards woman killed in drug related crime". The "I'm in the garbage business" quote is certainly telling, that knowing Snuka was probably a murderer didn't really have much effect on him, but if the police gave a shit, they'd have acted. If Vince paid off the cops, you would think SOMEONE would have come forward after all these years. Otherwise the entire Allentown PD has to be lying, which while not impossible, would certainly be fairly shocking. |
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 27, 2022 16:20:21 GMT -5
I wonder how long it’ll be until the “Vince quite possibly helped to cover up a murder” stuff goes public again as well? I don't know how much that one would damage him given the story there seems to be more, "Cops were really indifferent towards woman killed in drug related crime". The "I'm in the garbage business" quote is certainly telling, that knowing Snuka was probably a murderer didn't really have much effect on him, but if the police gave a shit, they'd have acted. Vince is a lot of things but I never believed he had anything to do with a cover up or anything. He was a 2 bit carnival barker at the time, nobody would have given a shit how he felt about arresting Snuka. It always struck me as being the result of deep police incompetence far more than anything else. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jun 27, 2022 16:26:04 GMT -5
Just to clarify for people, Fox sold 20th Century because it wasn’t making the same money for them as News, Sports and the network itself was so that’s why they wanted to sell (to Disney because of their relationship over the years but Comcast made that difficult because, well, they wanted Disney to pay a lot more for it rather than actually wanting it).
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Post by Mozenrath on Jun 27, 2022 16:49:31 GMT -5
I don't know how much that one would damage him given the story there seems to be more, "Cops were really indifferent towards woman killed in drug related crime". The "I'm in the garbage business" quote is certainly telling, that knowing Snuka was probably a murderer didn't really have much effect on him, but if the police gave a shit, they'd have acted. If Vince paid off the cops, you would think SOMEONE would have come forward after all these years. Otherwise the entire Allentown PD has to be lying, which while not impossible, would certainly be fairly shocking. Corruption happens, but even with Snuka as one of Vince's biggest draws, I don't see it as being that likely, especially when there's no murder weapon so given the relatively primitive forensics at the time, I could see police just not pursuing it and seeing it as a case that'd be potentially unwinnable for a drug-related death they infamously were slow to do much about. This absolutely does not clear either the police or Vince of any wrongdoing, obviously. Vince still was indifferent to employing a probable murderer. He wasn't alone in turning a blind eye to wrestler misconduct, obviously. Watts probably knew way more about Grizzly Smith's many crimes than he should have for someone he'd employee for years, and people who kept Dick Slater on their payroll had to know he was a woman-beating piece of shit. Still, the level of cold indifference about that, and that he'd show such reverence to him, promoting him as a legend, hall of famer, etc, for ages, it does paint an unflattering picture, to say the least, it's just not going to be as potentially damaging here as people talking about what he allegedly did to Rita. |
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Post by Bishblast on Jun 27, 2022 22:37:12 GMT -5
I expect the story about Vince on the boat from 2006 will resurface soon as well. I am completely blanking on this, what’s the story? |
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Jun 27, 2022 22:55:42 GMT -5
I expect the story about Vince on the boat from 2006 will resurface soon as well. I am completely blanking on this, what’s the story? I was big into wrestling at that time, and I don't remember that at all either. |
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Post by Legion on Jun 28, 2022 10:45:16 GMT -5
I expect the story about Vince on the boat from 2006 will resurface soon as well. I am completely blanking on this, what’s the story? It wasnt a boat, it was a tanning salon. I have no idea where I got a boat from! |
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