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Post by RadcapRadsley on Jul 8, 2022 21:15:20 GMT -5
Doubt we will ever see Cena,Rock or Batista have a role at a Major WWE event again until Vince passes away or is removed from the company.
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 8, 2022 21:22:17 GMT -5
Doubt we will ever see Cena,Rock or Batista have a role at a Major WWE event again until Vince passes away or is removed from the company. I doubt we'll see any past WWE superstar at a WWE event again until Vince is gone. I'd say most on the roster at present are thinking about what they're going to do if Vince is still in position when their contracts come up for renewal.
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Post by King Devitt and the Woke Mob on Jul 8, 2022 21:32:07 GMT -5
He won't, but even if Vince did go to prison, he'd be running WWE from his cell Mafia boss style.
Dude ain't going anywhere.
This shit will blow over like it always does for rich people, and Cena and Rock will be back whenever it's "safe" b/c loyalty or something.
They worked there when Vince's (or Johnny Ace's) antics weren't really that secret if you worked there, once they go back under the rug, they'll go back to not caring. Hell Johnny Ace was practically a goddam meme for his behavior towards women, and his hiring practices.
I think people overestimate the impact this is going to have.
I get wanting Vince to pay for the shit person he is, but he simply won't.
If he does, and it sticks, I'll change my name permanently to whatever someone wants it to be in celebration.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 21:37:27 GMT -5
I would say it is insane that there are people who believe this company will collapse without Vince but...yea no.
These are the people Vince has always strived to surround himself with..the ones who do nothing but praise and tell him he can do no wrong etc feeding into his controll freak nature.
But I am glad to see all this snowballing and coming out I guess better late than never and hopefully more keeps falling out and finally get rid of him for good ...hopefully because while the initial accusation was bad it was looking like maybe he gets away again but this? it is that snowball effect some of us said that if anything about this was gonna finally get him out of power it would be more coming out of the initial allegation and we have reached that point.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 8, 2022 21:48:38 GMT -5
He won't, but even if Vince did go to prison, he'd be running WWE from his cell Mafia boss style. Dude ain't going anywhere. This shit will blow over like it always does for rich people, and Cena and Rock will be back whenever it's "safe" b/c loyalty or something. They worked there when Vince's (or Johnny Ace's) antics weren't really that secret if you worked there, once they go back under the rug, they'll go back to not caring. Hell Johnny Ace was practically a goddam meme for his behavior towards women, and his hiring practices. I think people overestimate the impact this is going to have. I get wanting Vince to pay for the shit person he is, but he simply won't. If he does, and it sticks, I'll change my name permanently to whatever someone wants it to be in celebration. I mean Cena and the Rock were the faces of the company when there was no competition (I don’t count WCW 2000 as competition). When Hollywood came calling for their names, they were outta there.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 8, 2022 22:08:07 GMT -5
It’s absurd to think that only Vince can handle WWE creative and things would go left if he stepped away. There are guys under contract with WWE who were bookers for entire promotions themselves. You mean to tell me people in WWE honestly think that if Vince went away and left Nick Khan in charge of business and, for instance, Paul Heyman in charge of creative that the fed would close their doors overnight? Bullshit it would. People in the company really need to be reprogrammed out of Vince’s Jedi Mind Tricks before it kills their careers off for good. A lot of the people who support the narrative frankly are people whose careers are dead for good if Vince leaves. Kevin Dunn? Out. Bruce Prichard? Out? Johnny Ace? Already out in the first place because his only qualifications for being in the talent relations spot are that he's easy to dislike and Vince needs an Eiffel Tower buddy, and that last bit is what got everyone into this mess. Qualified business people who didn't buy into Vince's bullshit like his former chief financial and revenue officers walked because Vince wanted to overspend on talent he wasn't using to stifle AEW, and the only reasons he relented are COVID and Nick Khan being able to charm Vince into listening to sense for a hot minute. The company has been organized and set up in a way where very few people with any real power aren't simpering Vince cronies. This is by design. He wants that cult around him, and he wants a company culture where the feeling is that he's the genius saviour who absolutely can't be replaced. Everything to feed his ego. Everything to make sure that the world revolves around him. That's how he can end up in a situation where like five skeletons are dragged out at once and the response is "Damn but we're counting on you buddy how are we gonna do this". Yeah, I wouldn't be at all shocked if one of the prime people pushing the "we need Vince!" narrative isn't A. Vince Himself, and B. Kevin Dunn... since it was stated since HHH took over Development that HHH and Steph hate him.
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Post by khali on Jul 8, 2022 22:52:30 GMT -5
I kind of hope the Netflix doc sees the light of day somehow, but the extreme fawning over Vince would probably be quite the trip in light of all the news.
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Post by wildojinx on Jul 8, 2022 22:53:31 GMT -5
It's getting to the point I'm expecting to find out the WWE is a dummy corporation covering up something sinister.
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Post by Fade on Jul 8, 2022 23:08:01 GMT -5
Guessing that book ain’t happening either anymore? Or maybe yes? Who tf knows with a Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2022 23:50:59 GMT -5
seeing this dude go to prison weinstein style would be one of the most cathartic things ever
not even having anything to do with wrestling, simply because he is an evil piece of shit and I will rejoice in his suffering, straight up
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 8, 2022 23:59:39 GMT -5
I mean there'd have to be a criminal investigation into him before he goes to prison.
and so far there isn't one. One could certainly start at some point with the shit he's alleged as have done but again right now there isn't one.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 9, 2022 1:33:52 GMT -5
I do think this is the beginning of the end for Vince. In the long run you just can't really survive these things and stay in power.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 9, 2022 1:47:32 GMT -5
there could also be some sort of ancienct crystal or puzzle box situation that lands Vince in prison through the mysteries of the universe
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Post by lockedontarget on Jul 9, 2022 2:19:00 GMT -5
Honestly I think you guys are in for a big disappointment if you think a bunch of wrestlers will refuse to work for the WWE after this. If doing paid propaganda for a genocidal prince wasn’t enough to get people to take a real moral stand, I don’t think this is going to turn out much better.
In a good and just world we would get a mass walkout, but most of our favourites will tow the line and go on with business as usual and it’s going to suck.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 9, 2022 5:04:18 GMT -5
Doubt we will ever see Cena,Rock or Batista have a role at a Major WWE event again until Vince passes away or is removed from the company. I doubt we'll see any past WWE superstar at a WWE event again until Vince is gone. Ric Flair would 100% agree to become Commissioner of Raw & Smackdown the day after they reveal Vince used to eat an orphan and a puppy for dinner every night.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 9, 2022 5:14:19 GMT -5
Honestly I think you guys are in for a big disappointment if you think a bunch of wrestlers will refuse to work for the WWE after this. If doing paid propaganda for a genocidal prince wasn’t enough to get people to take a real moral stand, I don’t think this is going to turn out much better. In a good and just world we would get a mass walkout, but most of our favourites will tow the line and go on with business as usual and it’s going to suck. I am not expecting a stand to be taken necessarily, either. I do think some might back off from doing anything with WWE while Vince is still around, but that it isn't likely to be most of them. Most will probably wait to see how this develops, and if the heat dies down, a lot of them will do the Superstar Billy Graham flip and just smile and take the money. Bautista would probably be content to not touch Vince with a ten-foot pole, but he's also pretty good about saying or doing whatever he pleases without being diplomatic, like publicly criticizing Disney when they were on the outs with James Gunn. He's also thoroughly done wrestling, anyway, so it isn't like he was likely to come back in any capacity anytime soon, regardless.
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Post by Totorob101 on Jul 9, 2022 5:39:17 GMT -5
Im sure most of the WWE stars past and present know what Vince is like so i cant imagine any will leave or make any kind of stance. Iv lost a ton of respect for Cena for turning up while this is going on and heck he probably knows exactly what Vince is like so John can go do one,along with Taker and numerous stars who dont care about his sins. If your a female WWE talent surely you just dont want to stay there now either.
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Post by celtics543 on Jul 9, 2022 6:51:35 GMT -5
I have some thoughts about this. The first is that I don't begrudge anyone for still taking a paycheck from WWE, assuming they have no other options. Those guys and girls under contract who can't legally go anywhere else right now and if they quit then they won't be able to feed their family. I get why they can't take a stand, it's about survival. Guys like Cena, Taker, or any current free agent who AEW would sign in a minute should probably rethink what they're doing right now. If you have the financial freedom to not work or the Hollywood cache to get movie roles, I'm not sure why you'd want to be in WWE or taking a paycheck from Vince right now.
By the same token, Vince isn't going to jail. None of the charges are criminal and I don't think NDA's are illegal. Vince is a scumbag and deserves jail but how many other CEO's have these same skeletons that will never see the inside of a cell. Even if he did have to go to jail he'd go to rich people jail which is basically a country club they can't leave.
He's not going to sell the company, he'd get a terrible price right now, and if I know anything about Vince it's that he's a stubborn guy. He'll fight until the day he dies instead of doing the smart thing. I also don't think he's going to be removed as the owner of the company.
The only way anything major changes is if Vince dies. That's it. This scandal might bring him down for a couple months but it'll be back to normal. Rich people don't face the same kind of consequences as normal people. If it comes out that he was doing things on a Weinstein level or he was sex trafficking or killing children then I retain the right to change my opinion but based on what's been revealed I don't see Vince having any real major consequences.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Jul 9, 2022 7:55:53 GMT -5
Let’s knock off condemning any WWE wrestlers for what they allegedly did and didn’t know, alright?
We’re not going to start getting into any “my favorite wrestler is more moral than yours” nonsense. Unless it comes out that specific superstars were right there next with Vince boning these women, I haven’t immediately lost respect for any of them.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 9, 2022 7:59:41 GMT -5
It’s absurd to think that only Vince can handle WWE creative and things would go left if he stepped away. There are guys under contract with WWE who were bookers for entire promotions themselves. You mean to tell me people in WWE honestly think that if Vince went away and left Nick Khan in charge of business and, for instance, Paul Heyman in charge of creative that the fed would close their doors overnight? Bullshit it would. People in the company really need to be reprogrammed out of Vince’s Jedi Mind Tricks before it kills their careers off for good. Yeah there’s no doubt the company can run just fine creatively with experienced people like Prichard, Triple H, Stephanie, Hayes, Heyman, HBK, even Jarrett there under contract already.
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