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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 12, 2022 15:09:25 GMT -5
Ah yes, I’m sure the real answer is that Vince paid over $10 million to various women out of the goodness of his heart. I've been trying to find nicer ways to put this, but I can't really think of one. You don't pay out that kind of money if you had sex just for the sake of having sex. I'm sure sex occurred, but I'm guessing it was about the power play than the act itself, because, to put it bluntly, if Vince were just looking to get his rocks off, he could just... get a high-priced sex worker. He didn't, so that paints all of this in an even more gross light. He wouldnt even have to get a sex worker. He could get some gold digger who would do whatever he wanted as long as he treated her lavishly and showered her with money and gifts. Sleazy sure but she wouldnt work for him and is free to walk away at any time. But there is the problem. Vince doesnt want just sex. This is about power. He wants power over someone so he can feel like a big alpha male.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 12, 2022 15:13:23 GMT -5
I wonder what Vince, Dan Snyder, and that guy from Blizzard would talk about in an elevator. Probably McMahon and Kotick giving Snyder advice on how to continue being financially successful despite treating your employees like shit, your product being trashed critically, and having your reputation torched in the public sphere.
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Post by Legion on Jul 12, 2022 15:20:05 GMT -5
NDAs are common for high-profile people in general, especially when sex is involved. But the combo of multiple 7 figure payouts to employees with stringent NDAs attached...that's the biggest red flag that I've ever seen in one of these scandals. Yeah, if Vince had brought in a high-priced call girl and then paid her for sex after the agreement of an NDA, that would be a bit weird and skeezy out of a 70 something year old man who's married, but it wouldn't be as insidious as "I used my influence as the boss to make an employee think that they must provide sexual favors for me" That's the big key here. "Billionaire paying for sex" is not exactly headline material, but it is within the context of it being a subordinate employee. I don't know how anyone could see differently. I'll give it a go, just to play Devil's advocate. I suppose you could try and make the point that Vince is a workaholic with no time to meet any women any other way. He may have a twisted moral compass, whereby using a sex worker would be something he'd refuse to do, but would still engage in cheating on Linda (though we dont know when their marriage ended, so it could have been cheating in a legal sense only). As such, given he hasn't the time to meet anyone else, he instead meets women at work. We know there have been accusations of that being improper - though how improper you may feel such a relationship really can be is going to depend on your belief in what the point was - was Vince using his employees for a quick thrill, or was it something more to him? Was it 'real to Vince, damnit!' Did he intend to apply pressure, or was the pressure felt just because of the situation and he some how didnt realise, or was there any pressure are all and is this something implied after the fact for a pay day. That last one is obviously incredibly problematic to even suggest, but people do lie when money is involved, so it could at least be considered. Granted, WWE has corporate policy for this sort of thing - though the biggest accusation so far is coming from someone who officially wasn't an employee. They were an independent contractor. I can see that coming in to play at some point. NDAs are pretty standard for celebrities and rich people, and these are historic incidents from a time Linda was engaged in politics, or at least wanted to be, so could be explained as simply 'the done thing.' Personally, I think we're now in a place where you can't really just excuse the incidents; there are simply too many and too much of a pattern now. But, if you really did want to, the above could give some possibilities to build from, but they are pretty weak points, as you're right, this is at best sleazy and at worst outright criminal, so it's a lot harder to find justifications, excuses or explanations - even when trying to just for the sake of DA playing.
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Post by MrElijah on Jul 12, 2022 15:20:35 GMT -5
I wonder what Vince, Dan Snyder, and that guy from Blizzard would talk about in an elevator. "The culture, is actually, damn good."
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 12, 2022 15:27:30 GMT -5
I'd drop a quarter on the floor to see all of them fight to the death over it.
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Post by Perd on Jul 12, 2022 15:28:13 GMT -5
These aren't revelations. These are corroborations. Further evidence that Vince is exactly the person that many of us already assumed him to be. You can’t jump to a conclusion that you reached long ago.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 12, 2022 15:42:01 GMT -5
Some devils super, super don't need advocating.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 12, 2022 16:00:17 GMT -5
Some devils super, super don't need advocating. I've personally lost patience for most if not all devils advocates the past few years.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 12, 2022 16:22:04 GMT -5
Yeah, if Vince had brought in a high-priced call girl and then paid her for sex after the agreement of an NDA, that would be a bit weird and skeezy out of a 70 something year old man who's married, but it wouldn't be as insidious as "I used my influence as the boss to make an employee think that they must provide sexual favors for me" That's the big key here. "Billionaire paying for sex" is not exactly headline material, but it is within the context of it being a subordinate employee. I don't know how anyone could see differently. I initially read this as "high-priced catgirl" and am split on if that is a thing Vince would absolutely do or if it's something he would have absolutely zero concept of. Once you go cat, you never go back.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 12, 2022 17:37:15 GMT -5
All this Vince news really adds a dark cloud over so much of his booking over years. For example, Deadlock reviewed the Edge/Lita live sex celebration episode and the show starts with Lita coming out and saying she gave Vince a blowjob to get the Edge/Cena rematch postponed. That already aged terribly but now it's just horrible. Just a ton of disgusting stuff like that throughout the years.
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Post by ChitownKnight on Jul 12, 2022 17:49:13 GMT -5
All this Vince news really adds a dark cloud over so much of his booking over years. For example, Deadlock reviewed the Edge/Lita live sex celebration episode and the show starts with Lita coming out and saying she gave Vince a blowjob to get the Edge/Cena rematch postponed. That already aged terribly but now it's just horrible. Just a ton of disgusting stuff like that throughout the years. I remember hearing that Cena and Edge tried stopping it from happening because Lita was uncomfortable with it, but Vince threatened to fire her.
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Post by A damn road sign on Jul 12, 2022 17:56:01 GMT -5
All this Vince news really adds a dark cloud over so much of his booking over years. For example, Deadlock reviewed the Edge/Lita live sex celebration episode and the show starts with Lita coming out and saying she gave Vince a blowjob to get the Edge/Cena rematch postponed. That already aged terribly but now it's just horrible. Just a ton of disgusting stuff like that throughout the years. “Oral persuasion.” I’ve no idea why that line has stuck with me for all these years.
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Post by XIII on Jul 12, 2022 18:14:33 GMT -5
These aren't revelations. These are corroborations. Further evidence that Vince is exactly the person that many of us already assumed him to be. You can’t jump to a conclusion that you reached long ago. Pretty much. I mean Rita Chatterton accused him of rape in 1986, dude has been a sex creep for decades.
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Post by cjh on Jul 12, 2022 18:19:38 GMT -5
All this Vince news really adds a dark cloud over so much of his booking over years. For example, Deadlock reviewed the Edge/Lita live sex celebration episode and the show starts with Lita coming out and saying she gave Vince a blowjob to get the Edge/Cena rematch postponed. That already aged terribly but now it's just horrible. Just a ton of disgusting stuff like that throughout the years. I remember hearing that Cena and Edge tried stopping it from happening because Lita was uncomfortable with it, but Vince threatened to fire her. Lita did an interview where she basically said she didn't like the angle but went with it. That got translated to "Lita was literally told to do it or be fired."
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Post by Dub H on Jul 12, 2022 18:47:39 GMT -5
Lets be honest the difference beween Joey Ryan and Vince is just that people are willing to look past Vince because they enjoy a big company and a lot of money.
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Post by Fade on Jul 12, 2022 19:00:59 GMT -5
If he ever came out and got booed that’d put a kibosh on his public appearances. Yeah, it’s a character/show..it wouldn’t matter currently with everything going on. It would look terrible.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 12, 2022 23:30:21 GMT -5
If he ever came out and got booed that’d put a kibosh on his public appearances. Yeah, it’s a character/show..it wouldn’t matter currently with everything going on. It would look terrible. Not just look terrible; the whole thing is a giant play for control and validation. Coming out and getting any sort of positive response is proof to everyone else that he does still need to be in charge, and it's proof to himself that he's done nothing wrong and people still admire him. If he actually received pushback from an audience who weren't too gutless to actually respond with what he deserves, the appearances would stop in an instant because that's the opposite of what he wants. Everyone cheering or applauding when he makes these appearances are directly emboldening and validating a sex pest with rape accusations against him in his bid to retain total control over everyone and everything around him. It's sickening, actually.
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 13, 2022 2:16:02 GMT -5
Cena came back after the first accusation in June. Cena's already shown he's willing to go back to Vince. He's a WWE flavor aid guy, probably learned about "loyalty" from the Undertaker's and others from that horrible early 2000s locker room while Dwayne was already a huge star and gone. Dwayne is in a group of stars far beyond Cena. Dwayne is bigger than wrestling and I think as much as Cena does in Hollywood he will be just like Vince, seen as a "wrestling guy" and it won't hurt him as much to come back and show that distorted "loyalty." I'm also sure it strokes Cena's ego, just like Vince, to see all the love the WWE Universe and WWE has for him. Dollars to donuts, Cena was already committed to that appearance before the story broke. Few would fault him for meeting an obligation like that. He's not stupid, however. He's not doing Summerslam after all that's come out now. I don't think Stephanie would expect him to at this point and, unlike her father, would see a refusal as perfectly reasonable under the circumstances. Cena doing Summerslam now would hurt his personal branding and his career far more than it would help WWE, and that damage would mean only diminished returns if he is able to come back after the scandal has been resolved. The setback, though, goes a long way to explain Dolph's face turn, as well: he's been that last-ditch savior before and had come through to huge acclaim the last time. I don't think they can stretch out the investigation long enough to possibly snare Dwayne into appearing at Wrestlemania. In any event, they would do well with some alternative plans for Roman's downfall in case of the highly-likely scenario that the Rock can't or won't make it. Until the investigation ends, WWE can't realistically bank on any celebrity involvement for Wrestlemania.
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Post by polarbearpete on Jul 13, 2022 8:54:40 GMT -5
Cena came back after the first accusation in June. Cena's already shown he's willing to go back to Vince. He's a WWE flavor aid guy, probably learned about "loyalty" from the Undertaker's and others from that horrible early 2000s locker room while Dwayne was already a huge star and gone. Dwayne is in a group of stars far beyond Cena. Dwayne is bigger than wrestling and I think as much as Cena does in Hollywood he will be just like Vince, seen as a "wrestling guy" and it won't hurt him as much to come back and show that distorted "loyalty." I'm also sure it strokes Cena's ego, just like Vince, to see all the love the WWE Universe and WWE has for him. Dollars to donuts, Cena was already committed to that appearance before the story broke. Few would fault him for meeting an obligation like that. He's not stupid, however. He's not doing Summerslam after all that's come out now. I don't think Stephanie would expect him to at this point and, unlike her father, would see a refusal as perfectly reasonable under the circumstances. Cena doing Summerslam now would hurt his personal branding and his career far more than it would help WWE, and that damage would mean only diminished returns if he is able to come back after the scandal has been resolved. The setback, though, goes a long way to explain Dolph's face turn, as well: he's been that last-ditch savior before and had come through to huge acclaim the last time. I don't think they can stretch out the investigation long enough to possibly snare Dwayne into appearing at Wrestlemania. In any event, they would do well with some alternative plans for Roman's downfall in case of the highly-likely scenario that the Rock can't or won't make it. Until the investigation ends, WWE can't realistically bank on any celebrity involvement for Wrestlemania. Rock-Roman would be huge, but I’d be just as excited (if not moreso) for Cody-Roman.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jul 13, 2022 9:39:37 GMT -5
I wonder what Vince, Dan Snyder, and that guy from Blizzard would talk about in an elevator. Probably McMahon and Kotick giving Snyder advice on how to continue being financially successful despite treating your employees like shit, your product being trashed critically, and having your reputation torched in the public sphere. Kotick: you can investigate yourself and find no evidence you did anything wrong
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