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Post by Push R Truth on Jul 13, 2022 9:51:37 GMT -5
I wonder what Vince, Dan Snyder, and that guy from Blizzard would talk about in an elevator. "Look at it this way Danno, you can be poor and everybody hates you... or you can have your own 100,000 square foot lakeside cabin with it's own Olympic sized swimming pool and everybody hates you."
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2022 3:31:16 GMT -5
Probably McMahon and Kotick giving Snyder advice on how to continue being financially successful despite treating your employees like shit, your product being trashed critically, and having your reputation torched in the public sphere. Kotick: you can investigate yourself and find no evidence you did anything wrong The WWE have done that for years, remember the allegations against DeMott? First investigations saw him given the letter of complaint and everyone involved targeted for more bullying then released for 'not progressing'. Second investigation saw no attempts to contact former talents and the WWE clearing themselves a second time, with DeMott stepping down after nobody bought it.
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Post by Lardlad on Jul 14, 2022 6:25:54 GMT -5
I was just re-watching Bret Hart's "WWF 1992" Kayfabe Commentaries show, and:
"Rita Chatterton appeared on a talk show to publicly accuse Vince McMahon of sexual abuse, and rape. Bret himself doesn’t believe that Vince would jeopardize his life and his empire in that manner. But then again, Hart can’t believe the choices Arnold and Tiger made, and how they could make those poor choices."
"When asked if Vince sold any strain during this time period, Bret says he mostly stayed strong and composed, but that he was prepared for the worst. If McMahon wound up going to jail, he would still be booking from his cell, with Jerry Jarrett in charge of the actual shows and the talent."
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 14, 2022 6:30:01 GMT -5
I was just re-watching Bret Hart's "WWF 1992" Kayfabe Commentaries show, and: "Rita Chatterton appeared on a talk show to publicly accuse Vince McMahon of sexual abuse, and rape. Bret himself doesn’t believe that Vince would jeopardize his life and his empire in that manner. But then again, Hart can’t believe the choices Arnold and Tiger made, and how they could make those poor choices." "When asked if Vince sold any strain during this time period, Bret says he mostly stayed strong and composed, but that he was prepared for the worst. If McMahon wound up going to jail, he would still be booking from his cell, with Jerry Jarrett in charge of the actual shows and the talent." ... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 14, 2022 6:47:03 GMT -5
I was just re-watching Bret Hart's "WWF 1992" Kayfabe Commentaries show, and: "Rita Chatterton appeared on a talk show to publicly accuse Vince McMahon of sexual abuse, and rape. Bret himself doesn’t believe that Vince would jeopardize his life and his empire in that manner. But then again, Hart can’t believe the choices Arnold and Tiger made, and how they could make those poor choices." "When asked if Vince sold any strain during this time period, Bret says he mostly stayed strong and composed, but that he was prepared for the worst. If McMahon wound up going to jail, he would still be booking from his cell, with Jerry Jarrett in charge of the actual shows and the talent." ... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made. Yeah, I like Bret, but didn't he admit to being a serial adulterer in his first marriage? I think he and Sunny both denied the "Sunny days" accusation, but pretty sure he freely admitted to getting plenty of action outside of his marriage elsewhere.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2022 7:29:44 GMT -5
I was just re-watching Bret Hart's "WWF 1992" Kayfabe Commentaries show, and: "Rita Chatterton appeared on a talk show to publicly accuse Vince McMahon of sexual abuse, and rape. Bret himself doesn’t believe that Vince would jeopardize his life and his empire in that manner. But then again, Hart can’t believe the choices Arnold and Tiger made, and how they could make those poor choices." "When asked if Vince sold any strain during this time period, Bret says he mostly stayed strong and composed, but that he was prepared for the worst. If McMahon wound up going to jail, he would still be booking from his cell, with Jerry Jarrett in charge of the actual shows and the talent." ... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made. More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 14, 2022 7:33:18 GMT -5
... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made. More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. In the Arnold situation there ended up being a kid as well. One would hope Bret used protection.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 14, 2022 7:33:32 GMT -5
... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made. More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. Yeah, in a weird way. Like, when Tiger had the affairs he did, he lost the endorsements and money that came from it. It affected Golf's standing but a wider perspective view, the biggest person to lose was Tiger. If Bret said he had affairs and it got the same kind of publicity, he'd lose out on the money of being champion if they had to strip him but I couldn't see a scenario where sponsors would drop out because WWE would just put someone new in his spot who was seen as more family-friendly because of...well, everything we know about how wrestlers are seen as components and not actual people in the company.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 14, 2022 8:01:52 GMT -5
... Bret couldn't understand Arnold and Tiger's choices? As far as I know, they're just the same as the ones he made. More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. But this is Bret Hart, we all know how seriously he takes himself and wrestling, and he was at the absolute pinnacle of his profession, he absolutely had everything to lose. I just think he's not the best there is at self reflection.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2022 9:18:59 GMT -5
More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. But this is Bret Hart, we all know how seriously he takes himself and wrestling, and he was at the absolute pinnacle of his profession, he absolutely had everything to lose. I just think he's not the best there is at self reflection. Did he though? What sponsor were they going to lose because Bret slept around they hadn't already lost because of Hogan and the drug scandals, rape allegations against Vince and the sexual assault of ringboys? They weren't going to do squat as they had little to lose, also adultery isn't illegal and the horror stories around most of the alternatives they had were potentially so much worse. Savage, Taker, Shawn all had their own issues.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jul 14, 2022 9:53:55 GMT -5
But this is Bret Hart, we all know how seriously he takes himself and wrestling, and he was at the absolute pinnacle of his profession, he absolutely had everything to lose. I just think he's not the best there is at self reflection. Did he though? What sponsor were they going to lose because Bret slept around they hadn't already lost because of Hogan and the drug scandals, rape allegations against Vince and the sexual assault of ringboys? They weren't going to do squat as they had little to lose, also adultery isn't illegal and the horror stories around most of the alternatives they had were potentially so much worse. Savage, Taker, Shawn all had their own issues. He would have lost his belt and been sent away. It's not about the company, it's about what'd happen to him personally. He was the clean cut Canadian hero who was champion. The company would have been fine, but he himself would have lost a lot. Far as I remember Tiger didn't do anything illegal, but ruined his reputation and lost things.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jul 14, 2022 11:04:56 GMT -5
More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. Yeah, in a weird way. Like, when Tiger had the affairs he did, he lost the endorsements and money that came from it. It affected Golf's standing but a wider perspective view, the biggest person to lose was Tiger. If Bret said he had affairs and it got the same kind of publicity, he'd lose out on the money of being champion if they had to strip him but I couldn't see a scenario where sponsors would drop out because WWE would just put someone new in his spot who was seen as more family-friendly because of...well, everything we know about how wrestlers are seen as components and not actual people in the company. A more family friendly performer like... Shawn Michaels? Shit.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 14, 2022 11:06:36 GMT -5
Did he though? What sponsor were they going to lose because Bret slept around they hadn't already lost because of Hogan and the drug scandals, rape allegations against Vince and the sexual assault of ringboys? They weren't going to do squat as they had little to lose, also adultery isn't illegal and the horror stories around most of the alternatives they had were potentially so much worse. Savage, Taker, Shawn all had their own issues. He would have lost his belt and been sent away. It's not about the company, it's about what'd happen to him personally. He was the clean cut Canadian hero who was champion. The company would have been fine, but he himself would have lost a lot. Far as I remember Tiger didn't do anything illegal, but ruined his reputation and lost things. That’s sort of the point, though. Tiger ruining his reputation hurt not just his brand and the companies associated with him, the sport of golf lost its biggest crossover star, a star they didn’t get again for years and nowhere near the same level. If Bret’s stories came out in the same way? Bret would get hurt. WWE was already seen as trashy, its owner’s reputation potentially tattered, the business itself only surviving off of international tours, it would be the smallest fire in a Springfield-esque tire fire mountain.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Jul 14, 2022 11:52:10 GMT -5
Did he though? What sponsor were they going to lose because Bret slept around they hadn't already lost because of Hogan and the drug scandals, rape allegations against Vince and the sexual assault of ringboys? They weren't going to do squat as they had little to lose, also adultery isn't illegal and the horror stories around most of the alternatives they had were potentially so much worse. Savage, Taker, Shawn all had their own issues. He would have lost his belt and been sent away. It's not about the company, it's about what'd happen to him personally. He was the clean cut Canadian hero who was champion. The company would have been fine, but he himself would have lost a lot. Far as I remember Tiger didn't do anything illegal, but ruined his reputation and lost things. Tiger was the face of numerous family brands, Bret was the face of a WWF that was damaged goods. Vince was on trial and potentially facing prison time, they weren't going to hang Bret out to dry when A) Every other top guy they have is as bad or worse if the stories of what Shawn and Marty did to women are to be believed, B) WCW existed and was signing top guys, and C) Bret knows where a lot of bodies are buried and needles are stuck. Not much would change, at worst he'd lose the belt to Nash, Sid, Taker or Shawn then regain it when they failed, same as always.
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 14, 2022 12:24:06 GMT -5
More to lose, I suspect. Wwf champion in 1993 doesn't have quite as much to lose from a professional standpoint. But this is Bret Hart, we all know how seriously he takes himself and wrestling, and he was at the absolute pinnacle of his profession, he absolutely had everything to lose. I just think he's not the best there is at self reflection. He's acknowledged that sex was his means to cope with life on the road. Others, as we know, took other routes. Would such revelations have harmed his reputation? Without question. His marriage certainly took massive blows as a result. However, his proclivities never impacted on his in-ring work, nor did he present anything but a professional image to the public - he was a credit to WWE at a time when they needed to rebuild. He never had to forfeit multiple titles because he couldn't handle the strain the way Michaels had. He certainly never had to offer multi-million dollar NDAs to his various partners to keep things hush-hush. To my knowledge, nobody has ever come forward with a paternity suit. The hypocrisy of the adultery aside, Bret was careful with how he presented himself until it no longer mattered to either him or the business. Until he confirmed all of his transgressions in his book, few would have been the wiser.
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Post by mistery on Jul 16, 2022 16:38:58 GMT -5
Fightful Select mentioned there are frustrations among some women in the locker room that Vince is trying to shove himself onto TV more because of the WSJ allegations, and the women's stuff is generally the stuff that gets cut because of it.
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Post by Legion on Jul 16, 2022 18:38:46 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Vince was on TV for less for 5 minutes any time he has appeared.
While I dont doubt some women are annoyed in general, to suggest they are especially annoyed by Vince appearing for 5 minutes is just telling people what they want to hear
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Post by Dub H on Jul 16, 2022 18:46:23 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Vince was on TV for less for 5 minutes any time he has appeared. While I dont doubt some women are annoyed in general, to suggest they are especially annoyed by Vince appearing for 5 minutes is just telling people what they want to hear thats 5 minutes a talent loses and its not gonna be the onest that get half of the show
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Post by Legion on Jul 16, 2022 18:52:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Vince was on TV for less for 5 minutes any time he has appeared. While I dont doubt some women are annoyed in general, to suggest they are especially annoyed by Vince appearing for 5 minutes is just telling people what they want to hear thats 5 minutes a talent loses and its not gonna be the onest that get half of the show Yeah, but it's also 5 minutes. I think people want to hear and see what they want to. It's Vince. People can dislike it, but it's still Vince. You wont be drawing over that when Vince is the one in the news. People want to know if he'll address anything, and that is gonna pop a rating more than Aliyah vs Raquel will.
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Post by Lance Uppercut on Jul 16, 2022 18:53:56 GMT -5
I'm sorry, but Vince was on TV for less for 5 minutes any time he has appeared. While I dont doubt some women are annoyed in general, to suggest they are especially annoyed by Vince appearing for 5 minutes is just telling people what they want to hear thats 5 minutes a talent loses and its not gonna be the onest that get half of the show I’d be more mad about that 15-20 minutes between someone’s theme song and when the match actually starts
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