KOR & Fish injured

[jhbboy198917]

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[clifford]

Time for a backstage meeting, methinks. There's simply too many injuries in a short space of time for the company not to address it.

[Hypnosis]

The whole Undisputed Elite's had bad luck lately, although Cole will be wrestling at Forbidden Door.

[YAKMAN is ICHIBAN]

Appearing on the AEW Unrestricted podcast, Tony Khan provided an update on both men,

"We're going to make the best of a bad situation with injuries. A long list of big stars out. Now, with another injury, you have Bullet Club coming together to get some revenge on Sting & Darby," he said the Bullet Club vs. Dudes With Attitudes bout at AEW x NJPW Forbidden Door bout. "Kyle O'Reilly, getting taken out by Sting, that's a real life legitimate injury and Kyle O'Reilly is out, not sure how long, but it's a big loss and we were not expecting that. He had been on fire for the company, it's a big deal to lose Kyle O'Reilly. With Fish and O'Reilly being out, Fish just had a great main event with Darby on Rampage, that's another big loss for the company, Fish, we expect back sooner from that ankle injury than O'Reilly with his injuries. Neither one is available for the pay-per-view. Kyle O'Reilly, we hope to get back soon. Bobby Fish, I know is going to be back soon."

What an odd quote. If it weren't for the "real life legitimate injury" line you'd think this was kayfabe.

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

Jun 23, 2022 12:34:57 GMT -5 clifford said:

Time for a backstage meeting, methinks. There's simply too many injuries in a short space of time for the company not to address it.

What would you like Tony to say though? Wrestlers get injured and it happens. There was a rash of injuries in the NFL a year or two ago and it seemed like a crisis but the issue mainly was it happened in a short timespan. When they looked at the year long trend, it was nothing out of the ordinary. It just seemed bad because they happened in such quick succession. And they're happening for different reasons. Punk likely got hurt either doing a stage dive or a springboard. I know he's in WWE but as an example, Cody got hurt training. It's often random and nothing you can really solve for at a macro level. I just don't know what you could say to the talent other than "there have been a lot of injuries, we know, try not to get hurt out there" 

[Macho Pichu]

Jun 23, 2022 12:39:20 GMT -5 YAKMAN is ICHIBAN said:

Appearing on the AEW Unrestricted podcast, Tony Khan provided an update on both men,

"We're going to make the best of a bad situation with injuries. A long list of big stars out. Now, with another injury, you have Bullet Club coming together to get some revenge on Sting & Darby," he said the Bullet Club vs. Dudes With Attitudes bout at AEW x NJPW Forbidden Door bout. "Kyle O'Reilly, getting taken out by Sting, that's a real life legitimate injury and Kyle O'Reilly is out, not sure how long, but it's a big loss and we were not expecting that. He had been on fire for the company, it's a big deal to lose Kyle O'Reilly. With Fish and O'Reilly being out, Fish just had a great main event with Darby on Rampage, that's another big loss for the company, Fish, we expect back sooner from that ankle injury than O'Reilly with his injuries. Neither one is available for the pay-per-view. Kyle O'Reilly, we hope to get back soon. Bobby Fish, I know is going to be back soon."

What an odd quote. If it weren't for the "real life legitimate injury" line you'd think this was kayfabe.

My interpretation, and it could be wrong, is that KOR is legit injured and Fish is kayfabe injured. He doesn't use the "real life and legitimate" qualifier when talking about Fish and says he "knows" he'll be back soon.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Jun 23, 2022 12:42:39 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Jun 23, 2022 12:34:57 GMT -5 clifford said:

Time for a backstage meeting, methinks. There's simply too many injuries in a short space of time for the company not to address it.

What would you like Tony to say though? Wrestlers get injured and it happens. There was a rash of injuries in the NFL a year or two ago and it seemed like a crisis but the issue mainly was it happened in a short timespan. When they looked at the year long trend, it was nothing out of the ordinary. It just seemed bad because they happened in such quick succession. And they're happening for different reasons. Punk likely got hurt either doing a stage dive or a springboard. I know he's in WWE but as an example, Cody got hurt training. It's often random and nothing you can really solve for at a macro level. I just don't know what you could say to the talent other than "there have been a lot of injuries, we know, try not to get hurt out there" 

Yeah, you can’t prepare around sheer bad luck, nor the fact that a lot of wrestlers will just keep working through stuff either because they just like wrestling that much or because they feel like they have to keep going to protect their spot.

[Zone Was Wrong]

Yeah, not as if there's been a change in how guys are wrestling. Just so happens to be a string of bad luck.

[canceled4truth]

Yeah, this stuff just happens sometimes. Of course, now it's happening in both major companies at really inopportune times, but I don't think there's a deeper meaning behind it

[sdoyle7798]

So, a bat to the balls was used to write KOR out. Meaning they couldn’t do a an angle where they just f*** him up like they did with Fish.

Concussion? Something to do with his diabetes (I have little to no knowledge on diabetes and what it can affect, so if that’s a stupid take, please correct me).

It’s gotta be somewhat serious, yea?

[clifford]

Jun 23, 2022 12:42:39 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

Jun 23, 2022 12:34:57 GMT -5 clifford said:

Time for a backstage meeting, methinks. There's simply too many injuries in a short space of time for the company not to address it.

What would you like Tony to say though? Wrestlers get injured and it happens. There was a rash of injuries in the NFL a year or two ago and it seemed like a crisis but the issue mainly was it happened in a short timespan. When they looked at the year long trend, it was nothing out of the ordinary. It just seemed bad because they happened in such quick succession. And they're happening for different reasons. Punk likely got hurt either doing a stage dive or a springboard. I know he's in WWE but as an example, Cody got hurt training. It's often random and nothing you can really solve for at a macro level. I just don't know what you could say to the talent other than "there have been a lot of injuries, we know, try not to get hurt out there" 

Because its gotten too frequent to just blame on bad luck? There may be another contributing factor. I was talking about getting the whole roster to have an open discussion with each other. Maybe folks are pushing themselves beyond their limits in a bid to outdo each other. Have some vets speak up about safer practices (even though most of the injuries ARE veterans). Maybe the ring crew can have some suggestions about set up. It can't hurt right?

There are so many injuries at the moment and they're just the ones we know about. To just go 'Oh well doop dee doo, these things just happen don't they' and not even pause to consider other factors at play might be negligent if nothing else.

[Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story]

Jun 23, 2022 13:46:13 GMT -5 clifford said:

Jun 23, 2022 12:42:39 GMT -5 "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik said:

What would you like Tony to say though? Wrestlers get injured and it happens. There was a rash of injuries in the NFL a year or two ago and it seemed like a crisis but the issue mainly was it happened in a short timespan. When they looked at the year long trend, it was nothing out of the ordinary. It just seemed bad because they happened in such quick succession. And they're happening for different reasons. Punk likely got hurt either doing a stage dive or a springboard. I know he's in WWE but as an example, Cody got hurt training. It's often random and nothing you can really solve for at a macro level. I just don't know what you could say to the talent other than "there have been a lot of injuries, we know, try not to get hurt out there" 

Because its gotten too frequent to just blame on bad luck? There may be another contributing factor. I was talking about getting the whole roster to have an open discussion with each other. Maybe folks are pushing themselves beyond their limits in a bid to outdo each other. Have some vets speak up about safer practices (even though most of the injuries ARE veterans). Maybe the ring crew can have some suggestions about set up. It can't hurt right?

There are so many injuries at the moment and they're just the ones we know about. To just go 'Oh well doop dee doo, these things just happen don't they' and not even pause to consider other factors at play might be negligent if nothing else.

To the best of our knowledge, most of these injuries have been freak things. Danielson probably shouldn't be doing crazy brawls like Anarchy in the Arena, but otherwise? I don't know. I do think they could potentially slow down a bit for the purposes of long-term injuries, but I don't think you need to start talking to people short-term.

[asuka007]

It’s been a bad summer for wrestlers getting injured overall.

Rhea Ripley accidentally knees herself in the mouth taking a move.

Cody tore his peck working out.

Kenny and Orton had been working with pre-existing injuries.

Etc.

[Cyno]

The injury bug is happening all over wrestling. It's not like this is a unique situation for AEW. And it's not like this is happening from insane bumps or anything. Wrestling in general involves a lot of wear and tear over time and sometimes the most seemingly mundane thing can result in a freak injury.

The human body can be oddly fragile at times. Like I'm not a professional athlete or anything, but I broke my lower shinbone at the ankle and both my forearm bones near the wrist in a fall. I didn't trip over anything. I wasn't exerting myself. I was walking to my car in a parking lot, my right foot suddenly gave out, and down I went.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

Keep them off TV until Kenny is back so we can all think about something else for a while

[Terry McConkey]

Whether or not they're related to injuries, I really wish that wrestlers would stop doing insane dives to the outside. There are so many things that they're doing that aren't necessary to the story in the ring. Tony could always tell them to tone it down and find a better way to tell a story without risking your body every time.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

I think that part of it has to do with AEW being pretty transparent with injuries. WWE is as well, to a lesser extent.


I can say for certain that there are guys in New Japan working through similar injuries as Fish’s right now. Just because that’s how Puro culture is.

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I can't believe Sting shattered KOR's nuts for real.

[Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-]]

Jun 23, 2022 14:45:01 GMT -5 Terry McConkey said:

Whether or not they're related to injuries, I really wish that wrestlers would stop doing insane dives to the outside. There are so many things that they're doing that aren't necessary to the story in the ring. Tony could always tell them to tone it down and find a better way to tell a story without risking your body every time.

The funny thing about that is... Kyle and Bobby don't do dives. They're like one of the few guys who I look at and can't even remember the last time either of them did a dive. It's not their thing.

Not to say you don't have a point, of course, though the dives have been relatively safe, there's no more risk on a dive then there is running the ropes... injuries just happen.

[eJm]

Jun 23, 2022 13:52:59 GMT -5 Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story said:

Jun 23, 2022 13:46:13 GMT -5 clifford said:

Because its gotten too frequent to just blame on bad luck? There may be another contributing factor. I was talking about getting the whole roster to have an open discussion with each other. Maybe folks are pushing themselves beyond their limits in a bid to outdo each other. Have some vets speak up about safer practices (even though most of the injuries ARE veterans). Maybe the ring crew can have some suggestions about set up. It can't hurt right?

There are so many injuries at the moment and they're just the ones we know about. To just go 'Oh well doop dee doo, these things just happen don't they' and not even pause to consider other factors at play might be negligent if nothing else.

To the best of our knowledge, most of these injuries have been freak things. Danielson probably shouldn't be doing crazy brawls like Anarchy in the Arena, but otherwise? I don't know. I do think they could potentially slow down a bit for the purposes of long-term injuries, but I don't think you need to start talking to people short-term.

And also, like, even if we prevented some of the stuff people are talking about, something else might come up that’s completely different to what we’re talking about happens and people have to think about that.

Absolutely do things to make things more safe but frankly, pro wrestling is a medium that is on its face, high risk. There’s only so much you can do in the long and short term to prevent this stuff by what the medium is.

People are going to be stubborn until they can’t like Steph Curry was stubborn with injury during the NBA Finals and the teams competing in the UEFA Nations League after their regular football seasons to try and cement their FIFA World Cup spot. The only reason that it might be seen as a bigger deal is that a lot of it is happening at once.