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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 23, 2022 18:13:48 GMT -5
I don't really see it as an insult so much as a corporate buzzword created to feed an old man's delusion that he's famous for anything but pro wrestling.
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Post by Ozman on Jun 23, 2022 18:14:38 GMT -5
It’s never bothered me much. Wrestling is what Kurt Angle did in the Olympics, while sports entertainment is what Kurt Angle did in WWE.
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Post by WoodStoner1 on Jun 23, 2022 18:17:00 GMT -5
Because it's a dumb term that demonstrates the absurdity of a wrestling company apparently being ashamed of being called wrestling, and a term that has never caught on outside the delusional WWE corporate bubble. Though it's been used in other companies. Yes, even *ECW*...I do recall Paul Heyman dropping the term in one of their PPV promos. WCW too...though the other instigator of that term was writing for them by then. (I think it was him who got the other Vince hooked too. Before Russo, Vince wasn't so strict about wording on his shows)
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Post by El Pollo Guerrera on Jun 23, 2022 18:24:53 GMT -5
I don't like it because it has a connotation that the 'entertainer' isn't an athlete, and the wrestlers we watch are athletes.
Charlie Sheen is a 'sports entertainer' because he played baseball in "Major League".
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 23, 2022 18:41:16 GMT -5
Because it’s a nonsense term that means nothing.
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Post by RI Richmark on Jun 23, 2022 20:10:05 GMT -5
Wasn't "Sports Entertainment" originally the term Vince used to describe pro wrestling so he didn't have to answer to state athletic commissions?
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 23, 2022 20:24:28 GMT -5
It's an immersion thing for me. I want to watch wrestling with some suspension of disbelief that what I'm seeing is a real competition. Whenever the commentators (and especially the wrestlers) are dropping the words "sports entertainment" and "sports entertainers" DURING THE SHOW, it's like being told during a scene in a movie that I'm watching actors.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2022 22:19:21 GMT -5
it's to mock the wwe's corporate speak. this used to be called professional wrestling. now it's sports entertainment. they used to be wrestlers, now they're superstars. The audience used to be fans, now they're the wwe universe. it used to be a title shot/shot at the title, now it's a championship opportunity, etc They refuse to speak like normal people and have to have a marketing brand name for everything
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Post by Cyno on Jun 23, 2022 22:28:34 GMT -5
All of WWE's corporate speak gives me some real pain in the cranial region. Maybe I should get that checked out at a local medical facility.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Jun 24, 2022 6:35:34 GMT -5
All of WWE's corporate speak gives me some real pain in the cranial region. Maybe I should get that checked out at a local medical facility. If AJ is there for his colonoscopy, tell him FAN says hi
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Post by fw91 on Jun 24, 2022 6:38:50 GMT -5
For me it’s weird. At first I resented it because I thought it was a silly Vince thing to make wrestling a dirty word. But upon deeper review, I think it’s an accurate non-derogatory term that describes WWE’s style quite well in contrast to the feds that emphasize and highlight more work rate. So I guess it’s all about context.
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Post by noobeast on Jun 24, 2022 6:57:56 GMT -5
Because it's a bullshit term created by Vince McMahon to distance himself from, and to an extent demean, the very thing that made him rich, and that other people risk their health and body for.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jun 24, 2022 7:16:07 GMT -5
As obnoxious as WWE using the term unironically is, I'm kinda getting sick of people using it as an ironic insult as well.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 24, 2022 7:50:14 GMT -5
Because it’s a nonsense term that means nothing. Yup. People have started using it to distinguish between "gimmicky performers who don't focus on ring work as heavily" and "performers who are more in-ring action oriented", when both of those performers are, in fact, professional wrestlers.Otherwise it's just a term that was created to avoid regulations from state athletic commissions.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Jun 24, 2022 8:06:20 GMT -5
Because Vince treats "wrestling" as an insult.
So by the rule of opposites his sterile redundant forced catchphrase for his product is seen negatively.
And for good reason. Not because of the terminology, but because of Vince's absurdity in creating it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Jun 24, 2022 8:40:44 GMT -5
I mean, it was pretty much so that he didn't have to drag everyone in front of state Athletic Commissions, right?
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Post by thehottag on Jun 24, 2022 9:23:48 GMT -5
I remember the term being used in the Attitude era, & nobody really cared (Foley even wrote in his second book he even preferred it). That's because the product was hot (meaning people look past such things) & the words 'wrestling' & 'wrestler' were still all over the show. Then one day Vince decided to ban the use of those words on TV, & suddenly saying 'wrestling' became an act of defiance against corporate buzz-speak.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2022 9:42:56 GMT -5
Why is the term "Sports Entertainer" an insult?
Because I'm a wizard!
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 24, 2022 10:10:26 GMT -5
I don't really see it as an insult so much as a corporate buzzword created to feed an old man's delusion that he's famous for anything but pro wrestling. It’s a thing because Vince has always been annoyed by wrestling’s “lowbrow” rep, in turn that’s a big reason for his Hollywood/Wall Street focus and Steph and others being coy about not branding it as “that rasslin’”. And maybe that’s going to weird personal stuff with Vince and the southern US, but I can’t psychoanalyze that well.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 24, 2022 10:14:44 GMT -5
In a sense, I think it's insulting because it shows how Vince finds the very thing that made him his fortune abhorrent. Yes, professional wrestling is inherently ridiculous. But so is going to a magic show. It doesn't make one less of an art than the other. And sports entertainment as a term just seems like a way to diminish and cheapen that art. Hey pal, it's an "Illusion Entertainment Show"!
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