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Post by Cyno on Jun 25, 2022 10:21:21 GMT -5
I feel like you could've solved a lot of WCW's creative problems in the mid-late 90s if they never gave Hogan that creative control clause.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jun 25, 2022 11:23:40 GMT -5
Sting vs. Hogan at Starrcade 97. Sting beats the ever-loving shit out of Hogan and ends the nWo. Hogan, Hall, and Nash exit the main event scene to make may for Bret Hart and Goldberg. As a big WCW fan, it's depressing to think about how things could've been different if they would've booked this like literally anyone else would have. Also as a big WCW fan, I would probably keep Austin as the Ringmaster so Stone Cold never happens, WWF never catches up with WCW, and are soon bought out by Turner. Alternatively, Sting kills Hogan at Starrcade. The Huckster blames everyone for the loss, leading to the Outsiders / Hogan split. But not until AFTER Sting kills every nWo'ite disciple that Hogan throws in his way before a rematch. The losers all leave the nWo or disappear for a bit with an 'injury' and return having shunned the now-dead faction. After Sting beats Hogan at Bash at the Beach 1998, Hall and/or Nash turn babyface and go into isolated Wolfpac vs. Hollywood feud with Hogan and his last standing associate (The Giant? Or Outsider who swerves [bro] and stays with Hogan?). Meanwhile Sting goes into babyface feud with Bret Hart for the world title after Hart dispatches of heel Four Horsemen. This all delays Goldberg main event, but it all gives time to build up credible challengers (the downfall of real timeline Fall 1998 Goldberg). If they wanted to wait for Sting vs. Hart at Starrcade 1998, turn Luger to be Sting's big Fall 1998 challenge. Great history in that potential. Or push deserving wrestlers like Eddie Guerrero or Ben Wah up the card as heels for Sting, who ideally incrementally becomes less brooding 'crow' and more colorful as he separates from nWo foes. Scott Steiner can also move up card as solo heel and battle DDP (with or without Karl Malone and Jay Leno) in semi-main events. Thus WCW is saved!
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Post by Jonathan Coachman on Jun 25, 2022 11:32:17 GMT -5
Chris Benoit retires early
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2022 14:03:18 GMT -5
Vader in WWE was the first to come to mind.
In recent memory, I'd say EC3 in WWE. What an absolute disaster and waste of talent.
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Post by buckethead on Jun 25, 2022 14:54:38 GMT -5
Tough choice but I'll go with the first one I thought of.... Garvin's brief world title run in 1987. Regardless of how anyone (including myself) felt about him getting a run with it, NWA/WCW fumbled the ball here. It was basically treated as illegitimate... not defending it like a normal champ, saving it for Flair, and how they handled it on TV. You can still have him lose it to Flair but just have him come across as an actual world champion. My second choice would be Honkeytonk Man...get that belt off of him as quickly as possible. Hand it off to Bigelow while he is red hot or maybe even Orndorff or Beefcake. The world title is wrapped up in the Megapowers storyline for 1-2 years and you're wasting your other major title keeping it on Honkey. I know they finally pulled the trigger but it should've happened a year earlier. Thats a good point about both titles being locked up but i think it was a decent run,he was a such an unlikeable character.i think they done good money on house shows people wanting to see him get his ass kicked It's my only criticism of that period WWF...its peak IMO. Also take into consideration that Demolition has the tag titles locked up WM4-5...which I'm not criticizing. It's a really strong roster...it's probably too big...and all the titles are not going anywhere. Too many feuds with nothing at stake. It's why they needed a TV title. I'm not really criticizing Honky...he was a great heel. He just held it way too long and the chicken poop heel thing got old after awhile. Back to NWA... Flair should've lost the belt to Nikita in the summer of 85. There would've been massive heat with Nikita as world champion...Russians would have briefly held all the world titles(single, tag, six man). This could set up Flair winning it back at Starrcade...instead of a repeat of Dusty-Flair. Fast forward a year+ when we get another Nikita-Flair feud...nobody really cared anymore and you knew he wasn't losing it.
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Post by tirtefaa on Jun 25, 2022 15:46:35 GMT -5
I don't know if I would change one, but here's a couple. I'm going to do this on the grounds of simply booking and trying to avoid real life consequences;
Instead of trying to surrender the belt to Dibiase after winning it, have Andre "defend" it against DiBiase at SNME before Mania. Heck, make Hogan the special guest ref! Harley Race would instead be facing Savage. You can still get to WrestleMania by having Hogan go after both Andre and DiBiase, but this at least gives Andre a legit run with the belt.
Earthquake wins the belt at Rumble '91 instead of Slaughter. Quake was still pretty protected since his SummerSlam match with Hogan. Slaughter as a heel just never worked.
Luger beats Yokozuna at SummerSlam. WrestleMania 10 is Hart vs. Luger, ending with Luger losing and starting a slow heel turn.
Bigelow beats LT at Mania. Many ways you can get to this result, even making LT look good by getting a pinfall while the referee is out. Bigelow prevails and they do a beat down, but the NFL guys fight back and LT chases off Bigelow.
Austin doesn't turn heel at WrestleMania 17.
Booker beats Triple H at WrestleMania 19, goes on to face Jericho at Judgement Day and so forth.
Daniel Bryan doesn't immediately lose the title at SummerSlam '13. You can even arrive at Triple H turning heel over the course of a month or two once he realizes he doesn't want Bryan to be the face of the company.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jun 25, 2022 15:58:58 GMT -5
nWo in WWE.
They correctly destroy and defeat Austin and Rock at Wrestlemania X-8.
The can add Big Show, X-Pac and bring back Eric Bischoff or Ted Dibiase.
Have them run through the roster intact, Hogan, Hall, Nash, Show and X-Pac.
Summerslam you have HHH, Rock and Austin vs. Hogan, Hall and Nash as their big version of Bash at the Beach 1996. HHH turns on them as predictable.
Wrestlemania 19:
Brock Lesnar vs. Hollywood Hogan for the WWE Title Kevin Nash and Scott Hall vs. Edge and Booker T for the WWE Tag Titles Big Show vs. Batista X-Pac vs. John Cena Triple H vs. Randy Orton
All the nWo guys put over the young talent in a long drawn out storyline during 2002-03. Batista/Cena/Orton/Lesnar all get their mega pushes at the same time in 2003. We move it up a year.
WWE is in a good place. nWo does it's job.
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Post by DeeBee on Jun 25, 2022 19:05:36 GMT -5
Sting vs. Hogan at Starrcade 97. Sting beats the ever-loving shit out of Hogan and ends the nWo. Hogan, Hall, and Nash exit the main event scene to make may for Bret Hart and Goldberg. As a big WCW fan, it's depressing to think about how things could've been different if they would've booked this like literally anyone else would have. Also as a big WCW fan, I would probably keep Austin as the Ringmaster so Stone Cold never happens, WWF never catches up with WCW, and are soon bought out by Turner. Crazy to think really isn't it Looking back, yes, it absolutely is. It's so frustrating when you realize that one or two different decisions and there's a great chance that WCW is still around.
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Post by Aceorton on Jun 25, 2022 19:43:06 GMT -5
Coin flip between Tazz in the WWF in 2000 and DDP in 2001. Both were ready-made stars who got shit on to satisfy the fragile egos of Triple H and Taker.
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Post by nakedmideon on Jun 25, 2022 21:35:03 GMT -5
Crazy to think really isn't it Looking back, yes, it absolutely is. It's so frustrating when you realize that one or two different decisions and there's a great chance that WCW is still around. If you believe Eric Bischoff in his pod though he says it wouldn't matter how good the product was.The higher ups wanted rid of wcw after the merger
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 25, 2022 22:15:37 GMT -5
Looking back, yes, it absolutely is. It's so frustrating when you realize that one or two different decisions and there's a great chance that WCW is still around. If you believe Eric Bischoff in his pod though he says it wouldn't matter how good the product was.The higher ups wanted rid of wcw after the merger I mean Bischoff says a lot of things... But he is likely correct, Turner would tolerate basically anything becuase he wanted Wrestling on his channel. He lost a ton of power in the merger and the board didn't want it. The fact that it was a money sink for most of it's existence just made the decision easier.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jun 26, 2022 1:02:39 GMT -5
If you believe Eric Bischoff in his pod though he says it wouldn't matter how good the product was.The higher ups wanted rid of wcw after the merger I mean Bischoff says a lot of things... But he is likely correct, Turner would tolerate basically anything becuase he wanted Wrestling on his channel. He lost a ton of power in the merger and the board didn't want it. The fact that it was a money sink for most of it's existence just made the decision easier. Bischoff says they offloaded all the company debt onto WCW because everyone hated it. Also, they fasted counted Sting because he wasn't tanned enough at Starrcade. Also, Sting was totally f***ed up. Also, Bret Hart was never a draw, so he signed him to a huge ass contract because he needed a draw for Thunder. You're right, Bischoff says a lot of things.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 26, 2022 7:41:08 GMT -5
I Would have kept Tazz out of the hardcore division in 2000 WWF. He should have entered the ic title picture soon after his debut and solidify himself in the upper-midcard. Good shout. His size really didn't need to be an issue. He could throw much bigger guys than himself and the Tazzmission works regardless of size. He could be a great simultaneous underdog and killer
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Post by ghost on Jun 26, 2022 8:18:15 GMT -5
Razor Ramon becomes world champion in 1994 instead of Diesel. They could have built Diesel to take the title some time in 1995, but Razor was the most over babyface aside from Bret in the company at the time. That’s a face run with more potential to work, IMO. They could have done Razor/Bret at RR 95, although not sure Vince would have done Razor/Shawn in back to back Mania’s at the time.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 9:21:51 GMT -5
Samoa Joe beats Brock Lesnar at Great Balls of Fire.
I don't care if he drops it back to him a month later - though I wouldn't have done that. Joe was a HUGE deal at the time, he was massively over and it would have shown WWE having the ability to still call an audible instead of slavishly being attached to their plans for years. It was a great feud where people were practically begging for a title change. Brock felt fresh for the first time in years. But nope, one F5 and Joe is dead.
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Post by DeeBee on Jun 26, 2022 15:27:28 GMT -5
Looking back, yes, it absolutely is. It's so frustrating when you realize that one or two different decisions and there's a great chance that WCW is still around. If you believe Eric Bischoff in his pod though he says it wouldn't matter how good the product was.The higher ups wanted rid of wcw after the merger I definitely don't believe anything Bischoff says, but if the company was still making money and pulling in strong ratings, I think they would've at least found another network to land on.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jun 28, 2022 17:36:22 GMT -5
Flair in WWE, not quite his last run but close to it. He had gotten some pretty big wins in some well received matches, did a promo on Raw about feeling that he had one more good run in him…and he got squashed by Umaga. It doesn’t help that I was never a fan of the Umaga gimmick and felt it was a poor copy of an out of date gimmick in the first place. I also couldn’t stand Armando Estrada, as he felt like someone who saw wrestling on TV once when he was a kid and started acting like a “bad guy wrestler “ to make his friends laugh. I wouldn’t have involved Umaga at all, have Flair make that last good run, get a final “thank you” title win before dropping it to, preferably, a younger talent who was ready and not Triple H again. The loudmouth manager character “Armando Alejandro Estrada” was not original in the least. It was better portrayed in Puerto Rico rings by Chicky Starr as well as by Victor Quinones, who was rumored to be the bastard son of Gorilla Monsoon.
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Post by Squirrel Master on Jun 28, 2022 17:46:30 GMT -5
Flair in WWE, not quite his last run but close to it. He had gotten some pretty big wins in some well received matches, did a promo on Raw about feeling that he had one more good run in him…and he got squashed by Umaga. It doesn’t help that I was never a fan of the Umaga gimmick and felt it was a poor copy of an out of date gimmick in the first place. I also couldn’t stand Armando Estrada, as he felt like someone who saw wrestling on TV once when he was a kid and started acting like a “bad guy wrestler “ to make his friends laugh. I wouldn’t have involved Umaga at all, have Flair make that last good run, get a final “thank you” title win before dropping it to, preferably, a younger talent who was ready and not Triple H again. A loudmouth manager character like Armando Alejandro Estrada was not original. Heel managers like him were better portrayed in Puerto Rico rings by Chicky Starr as well as by Victor Quinones (R.I.P.), who was rumored to be the bastard son of Gorilla Monsoon.
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