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Post by markymark on Jul 11, 2022 20:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 20:51:40 GMT -5
To me week one is kind of a case where it looks like a pretty good show but not one I really find myself dying to see. Actually finding it pretty likely I'll skip it just since nothing here's really standing out as something worth going out my way for.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 11, 2022 22:50:16 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic behind doing Wardlow vs. Orange Cassidy. Realistically Wardlow should squash him, but they are really running the risk here of having the crowd turn on him. The booking makes no sense for either guy.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Jul 11, 2022 23:34:48 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic behind doing Wardlow vs. Orange Cassidy. Realistically Wardlow should squash him, but they are really running the risk here of having the crowd turn on him. The booking makes no sense for either guy. Honestly it seems like it's just kind of standard fare at this point that whoever has the TNT title immediately beats Orange Cassidy. This is the third time this is happening. In general AEW seems to have a major problem with having people who are kind of go-tos to lose to put over whoever's actually being pushed and rapidly turn into choke artists because of it. It's happening to OC, it happened to Archer, it happened to Cage, it happened to Nyla, for a long time there it was happening to Jungle Boy...
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 11, 2022 23:48:53 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic behind doing Wardlow vs. Orange Cassidy. Realistically Wardlow should squash him, but they are really running the risk here of having the crowd turn on him. The booking makes no sense for either guy. Honestly it seems like it's just kind of standard fare at this point that whoever has the TNT title immediately beats Orange Cassidy. This is the third time this is happening. In general AEW seems to have a major problem with having people who are kind of go-tos to lose to put over whoever's actually being pushed and rapidly turn into choke artists because of it. It's happening to OC, it happened to Archer, it happened to Cage, it happened to Nyla, for a long time there it was happening to Jungle Boy... Orange Cassidy losing doesn't make everyone automatically think he's a choke artist, nor does it make the crowd turn on him or Wardlow The TNT is a fighting champions title, for a long time there it was stuck in a holding period of one feud. Having a new era begin with two over faces just squaring off isn't a bad thing. On top of that, Orange works so well with hosses, this is a great match, and no Wardlow probably doesn't squash him and he doesn't really need to. Cassidy's worked great matches with all sizes and no one's been worse off for it.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 12, 2022 0:24:57 GMT -5
Honestly it seems like it's just kind of standard fare at this point that whoever has the TNT title immediately beats Orange Cassidy. This is the third time this is happening. In general AEW seems to have a major problem with having people who are kind of go-tos to lose to put over whoever's actually being pushed and rapidly turn into choke artists because of it. It's happening to OC, it happened to Archer, it happened to Cage, it happened to Nyla, for a long time there it was happening to Jungle Boy... Orange Cassidy losing doesn't make everyone automatically think he's a choke artist, nor does it make the crowd turn on him or Wardlow The TNT is a fighting champions title, for a long time there it was stuck in a holding period of one feud. Having a new era begin with two over faces just squaring off isn't a bad thing. On top of that, Orange works so well with hosses, this is a great match, and no Wardlow probably doesn't squash him and he doesn't really need to. Cassidy's worked great matches with all sizes and no one's been worse off for it. There is absolutely a risk of the crowd turning on Wardlow. Fans have a strong emotional connection with Orange Cassidy. Ultimately, it does Orange no good to get squashed by Wardlow and it does Wardlow no good to not squash Orange Cassidy. There's just no logical reason for this match to be happening.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 12, 2022 1:50:28 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy losing doesn't make everyone automatically think he's a choke artist, nor does it make the crowd turn on him or Wardlow The TNT is a fighting champions title, for a long time there it was stuck in a holding period of one feud. Having a new era begin with two over faces just squaring off isn't a bad thing. On top of that, Orange works so well with hosses, this is a great match, and no Wardlow probably doesn't squash him and he doesn't really need to. Cassidy's worked great matches with all sizes and no one's been worse off for it. There is absolutely a risk of the crowd turning on Wardlow. Fans have a strong emotional connection with Orange Cassidy. Ultimately, it does Orange no good to get squashed by Wardlow and it does Wardlow no good to not squash Orange Cassidy. There's just no logical reason for this match to be happening. It being a match where the two likely shake hands and have a sportsmanship kind of clash isn't a bad thing and the crowd will be into it. It doesn't hurt Wardlow one bit because the crowd likes him too. Wardlow having a banger with Cassidy doesn't automatically make people think Wardlow isn't good, especially given Cassidy took out Ethan Page, a man even bigger than Wardlow in some aspects, the other week Cassidy just had a five star classic with Ospreay, he doesn't job, no one is going in there thinking Wardlow is going to win in seconds, that's just how Orange has been established, he's a smart worker.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 12, 2022 3:19:37 GMT -5
I don't understand the logic behind doing Wardlow vs. Orange Cassidy. Realistically Wardlow should squash him, but they are really running the risk here of having the crowd turn on him. The booking makes no sense for either guy. Honestly it seems like it's just kind of standard fare at this point that whoever has the TNT title immediately beats Orange Cassidy. This is the third time this is happening. In general AEW seems to have a major problem with having people who are kind of go-tos to lose to put over whoever's actually being pushed and rapidly turn into choke artists because of it. It's happening to OC, it happened to Archer, it happened to Cage, it happened to Nyla, for a long time there it was happening to Jungle Boy... Archer gets some grace since he did at least beat Moxley clean for the US championship, so he has that to show for it. Nyla is gone to too often for challenges, sure, but she also is someone who has beaten basically every woman on the roster at least once, clean, so she at least makes sense for it. I like OC, but I do think after this match that they should not have him challenge for the TNT title unless he's actually winning it. I know he faced Brodie and Cody for it, I forget if he faced Miro for it. I am sure Orange is more or less teflon here and will be fine, but it's strange not to choose a heel for this. I guess the problem is that I don't really know who would be a good choice for it. Maybe they could have gone with Hager since he has the history with Wardlow, but Hager vs Claudio makes sense due to the feud plus their own personal history.
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Post by stoptheclocks on Jul 12, 2022 4:37:33 GMT -5
Fighting a world championship eliminator for a shot at an interim belt, against the interim champion is a bit of a head spin.
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Post by clodhopper on Jul 12, 2022 6:12:46 GMT -5
Orange Cassidy losing doesn't make everyone automatically think he's a choke artist, nor does it make the crowd turn on him or Wardlow The TNT is a fighting champions title, for a long time there it was stuck in a holding period of one feud. Having a new era begin with two over faces just squaring off isn't a bad thing. On top of that, Orange works so well with hosses, this is a great match, and no Wardlow probably doesn't squash him and he doesn't really need to. Cassidy's worked great matches with all sizes and no one's been worse off for it. There is absolutely a risk of the crowd turning on Wardlow. Fans have a strong emotional connection with Orange Cassidy. Ultimately, it does Orange no good to get squashed by Wardlow and it does Wardlow no good to not squash Orange Cassidy. There's just no logical reason for this match to be happening. I think the real reason it's happening is so that they can get a handle on just how popular Warlow really is. He's over at the minute off the back of fueding with, and squashing, MJF but I think they want to gage the crowd reaction when he's in with a really over guy like Cassidy. AEW have so much top talent, and really popular talent, to play with and I think crowd reaction tomorrow will play at least some part in where they decide to slot him going forward.
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Post by clifford on Jul 12, 2022 6:55:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd have kept Wardlow and OC separate for now. There's no shortage of other people to challenge Wardlow for his first defence, and I though Cassidy was going to go on a run after the Ospreay match. I know that a loss doesn't 'hurt' Cassidy, but it's a head scratcher to derail what was looking to be a pretty substantial push for him.
Takeshita/Mox though, holy shit yes please. As long as he is getting on tv most weeks, I'm not worried about Takeshita being in the 'valient loser' role. Dude is already one of the most over on the roster by pure in ring work alone. Keep them coming.
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Post by Harry The Arrow was Wrong! on Jul 12, 2022 7:29:57 GMT -5
Take out the Hager match and it should be a fun show. Wish the women had something more substantial like maybe a Toni match or a Kris/Athena tag match.
I think the OC match is happening to show they are getting the title back on the right track after the awful run of champions it has had lately. Gonna give Wardlow some big defenses right out the gate and that's cool with me.
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Post by Fade on Jul 12, 2022 9:47:43 GMT -5
Count me in with “yo why tf we doing OC vs Wahrdawg” camp.
Only really looking forward to Hager/Claudio and the tag match. Though the booking of that’s kinda messy.
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Jul 12, 2022 10:06:54 GMT -5
We're also going to get the info for All Out tomorrow.
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Post by chrom on Jul 12, 2022 10:07:47 GMT -5
I agree that they should have used someone more expendable for Wardlow's first defense
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 12, 2022 11:16:45 GMT -5
Wardlow/OC has me interested, honestly. Yeah maybe the crowd will turn on Wardlow but it's a good way to see if he's ready for the big leagues. I think both come out of this bigger stars than before if booked right.
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Post by Boozeman on Jul 12, 2022 12:32:28 GMT -5
There is absolutely a risk of the crowd turning on Wardlow. Fans have a strong emotional connection with Orange Cassidy. Ultimately, it does Orange no good to get squashed by Wardlow and it does Wardlow no good to not squash Orange Cassidy. There's just no logical reason for this match to be happening. It being a match where the two likely shake hands and have a sportsmanship kind of clash isn't a bad thing and the crowd will be into it. It doesn't hurt Wardlow one bit because the crowd likes him too. Wardlow having a banger with Cassidy doesn't automatically make people think Wardlow isn't good, especially given Cassidy took out Ethan Page, a man even bigger than Wardlow in some aspects, the other week Cassidy just had a five star classic with Ospreay, he doesn't job, no one is going in there thinking Wardlow is going to win in seconds, that's just how Orange has been established, he's a smart worker. I don't disagree that they can have a really good match, but I think it needs to be viewed through a bigger picture lens than that. Sure they can have a good match, but to what end? Is this the best use of Wardlow in his first title defense? Is it the best use of Orange Cassidy? What is each guy ultimately getting out of this? AEW has set the expectation that when Wardlow comes to town he's going to run through someone and powerbomb them into a heap of dust. That is what fans want to see, but nobody wants to see that happen to Orange Cassidy, but realistically given how each guy has been positioned that is probably what should happen, which is why you keep guys like this apart. There's definitely a time and a place to switch up the script for Wardlow and have that struggle, give-and-take "banger" of a match but his first title defense against a beloved underdog babyface doesn't feel like the time to do it.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jul 12, 2022 13:56:14 GMT -5
We're also going to get the info for All Out tomorrow. 98% in Chicago… maybe 2% it’s in Toronto?
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 12, 2022 16:38:27 GMT -5
It being a match where the two likely shake hands and have a sportsmanship kind of clash isn't a bad thing and the crowd will be into it. It doesn't hurt Wardlow one bit because the crowd likes him too. Wardlow having a banger with Cassidy doesn't automatically make people think Wardlow isn't good, especially given Cassidy took out Ethan Page, a man even bigger than Wardlow in some aspects, the other week Cassidy just had a five star classic with Ospreay, he doesn't job, no one is going in there thinking Wardlow is going to win in seconds, that's just how Orange has been established, he's a smart worker. I don't disagree that they can have a really good match, but I think it needs to be viewed through a bigger picture lens than that. Sure they can have a good match, but to what end? Is this the best use of Wardlow in his first title defense? Is it the best use of Orange Cassidy? What is each guy ultimately getting out of this? AEW has set the expectation that when Wardlow comes to town he's going to run through someone and powerbomb them into a heap of dust. That is what fans want to see, but nobody wants to see that happen to Orange Cassidy, but realistically given how each guy has been positioned that is probably what should happen, which is why you keep guys like this apart. There's definitely a time and a place to switch up the script for Wardlow and have that struggle, give-and-take "banger" of a match but his first title defense against a beloved underdog babyface doesn't feel like the time to do it. It's just a big match to have on a bigger card, I don't see any issues with it, and you can always do rematches even if Cassidy loses too. Idk how the match is going to end, I don't know how it's going to progress 100 percent, but that adds to the intrigue, I don't see this as a booking mistake, it's finally doing something fun with the TNT Title again for me, so I just want to see it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jul 13, 2022 20:00:05 GMT -5
ADDED TO RAMPAGE:
Hangman/Silver/Reynolds vs The House of Black!
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