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Post by booty on Jul 8, 2022 21:39:47 GMT -5
Yes, and it's about 15 years past due. He's an absolute delusional sociopathic fool who's benefitted from several snazzy businessmen and lawyers securing him great deals as well as owning a product that is a tremendous asset in the current media landscape. He has, especially post 2008ish, such a poor understanding of what makes pro wrestling great that's it's been an absolute travesty to see wwe's production* effectively hamstrung by his insecure bullshit.
*non-match production. Kevin Dunn is a travesty in himself about the in-ring product.
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Post by fg on Jul 8, 2022 21:48:02 GMT -5
Yes, and it's about 15 years past due. He's an absolute delusional sociopathic fool who's benefitted from several snazzy businessmen and lawyers securing him great deals as well as owning a product that is a tremendous asset in the current media landscape. He has, especially post 2008ish, such a poor understanding of what makes pro wrestling great that's it's been an absolute travesty to see wwe's production* effectively hamstrung by his insecure bullshit. *non-match production. Kevin Dunn is a travesty in himself about the in-ring product. 15 years? Try 21 years.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 8, 2022 21:59:58 GMT -5
Yes, and it's about 15 years past due. He's an absolute delusional sociopathic fool who's benefitted from several snazzy businessmen and lawyers securing him great deals as well as owning a product that is a tremendous asset in the current media landscape. He has, especially post 2008ish, such a poor understanding of what makes pro wrestling great that's it's been an absolute travesty to see wwe's production* effectively hamstrung by his insecure bullshit. *non-match production. Kevin Dunn is a travesty in himself about the in-ring product. 15 years? Try 21 years. What makes pro wrestling great? He booked his first class ticket to hell, but his brand of programming is what made most of us fans. The great alternatives would be doing that much better if they were truly doing what made pro wrestling great. (WWE isn’t good these days so don’t my words twisted.) This is what I didn’t want to see. I feel like the objective f***ed up things Vince did is serving as a mask for his prior haters to air grievances that aren’t really related because it’s convenient. Let’s not lose sight of why he really needs to step down.
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Post by booty on Jul 8, 2022 22:14:04 GMT -5
What makes pro wrestling great? He booked his first class ticket to hell, but his brand of programming is what made most of us fans. The great alternatives would be doing that much better if they were truly doing what made pro wrestling great. (WWE isn’t good these days so don’t my words twisted.) This is what I didn’t want to see. I feel like the objective f***ed up things Vince did is serving as a mask for his prior haters to air grievances that aren’t really related because it’s convenient. Let’s not lose sight of why he really needs to step down. Great points, especially about what makes pro wrestling great since that's about as subjective as it gets. You're right, the booking critiques really should take a backseat as to why he really should step down.
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Post by Jumpin' Jesse Walsh on Jul 8, 2022 22:28:48 GMT -5
Gotta be one of the most lopsided polls I've ever seen lmao.
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Post by khali on Jul 8, 2022 22:58:03 GMT -5
Never expected Kevin Dunn to have eight burner accounts here.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 9, 2022 0:19:43 GMT -5
The product being good or bad should be irrelevant to the conversation. It could be in a new Renaissance where they're hitting on every creative decision that makes Rock N Wrestling and the Attitude Era look like complete shit and I'd still want him the hell out of there.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Jul 9, 2022 1:05:30 GMT -5
I mean, first off the question seems really broad so disregarding some stuff and not others because of seriousness should be fair game.
Second, the way he runs the company should be taken into consideration because, according to reports, investors seem to think he’s the only one capable of doing what he does which is a mentality that almost wrecked Disney after Walt died going with the “What would Walt do?” philosophy instead of changing with the damn times.
And if they still want to keep this guy now with all the accusations and feel like he’s the only guy for the job considering the other potential successors over the years? It’s hard not to worry about the future for those employed who don’t have dozens of hush money receipts.
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Post by An Dog On An Skateboard on Jul 9, 2022 2:39:36 GMT -5
I'm not so sure. The first allegation could probably have been probably be brushed off as an extramarital that he paid to keep quiet, but some of the stuff that's coming out today is veering into rather dangerous territory. I'm not saying he's going to face any charges or that this is certainly going to finish him off, but I'm also not saying he's going to definitely come out of it unscathed either. He walked away unscathed from public rape allegations, dozens of talent dropping dead from steroid and drug use they turned a blind eye to, the benoit scandal, firing hundreds of people during a pandemic, molestation allegations against members of management, steroid scandals, helping Jimmy Snuka get away with killing someone... He'll just put himself on TV, play the heel and it'll just blow over unless it costs Fox/NBC money, which ir probably won't. Well, a lot of this predates the company being floated publicly, and/or things he can distance himself from. I mean, his trial ended in an acquittal, stuff like the Snuka payoff is officially still just rumours even if we all know it's not, the drug deaths he's always hidden behind the "independent contractor" thing, and so on and so forth. He's now personally complicit in this, and I wonder a bit if this could be different.
As I said, I'm not nailing my colours to the mast either way, and you're probably right, but I don't think he's completely untouchable.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 9, 2022 2:42:13 GMT -5
I know this is pedantic, but he's not "Vince McMahon Jr.", he and his father have different middle names. On the other hand, this bugs the shit out of him when people make this mistake, so I endorse it.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jul 9, 2022 3:02:11 GMT -5
I don't want him to step down of his own accord, I want him to be dragged out of his office kicking and screaming, because it would be funnier to me personally.
Ideally he would shit himself in rage as well.
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Post by madness50 on Jul 10, 2022 2:59:32 GMT -5
Hell yes he should step down. His legacy is absolutely embarrassing at this point and the longer he sticks around, WWE will be in dire shape when he leaves or passes away.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 10, 2022 8:32:24 GMT -5
Dude should have retired at least a decade ago even if he wasn't a complete scumbag
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Post by Ozman on Jul 10, 2022 9:11:48 GMT -5
It’s one thing to do creepy stuff (that’s his business), but misusing company funds is a whole different problem. Vince probably should step down if he really did pay out 12 million in hush money.
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Post by fg on Jul 10, 2022 10:57:10 GMT -5
He is that like those wrestlers who wrestle waaaaaay past their prime to the point where its embarrassing.
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Post by Eunös ✈ on Jul 10, 2022 12:36:06 GMT -5
Even if we were to ignore the allegations..Still Yes.
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Post by Fade on Jul 10, 2022 13:00:59 GMT -5
Yeah, he really should.
It’s honestly as good a time as ever. I’m not sure if this forces him to step down, pending on how everything develops but the optics are terrible. If Vince really loved his baby, this would be the time to swallow the pride and relinquish it.
But it’s Vince, so,…
It’s going to be interesting to see how the company does w/o him. Whether it’s now or down the road. My guess is it will usher in a lot of prosperity and rejuvenated energy in the short run but I could see the company facing hurdles long term. It’s been a ship so recklessly, successfully and independently spearheaded by Vince that once all that changes..? Who knows.
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Post by The Legend of Groose on Jul 10, 2022 13:01:44 GMT -5
No, we're all in this together.
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Post by fw91 on Jul 10, 2022 13:09:18 GMT -5
Dude should have retired at least a decade ago even if he wasn't a complete scumbag Why though? From a business standpoint, it wouldn’t have worked out as well. What we like isn’t the most profitable. Him being a sleazy pervert is the only reason why he should step down. Not because Vince pushed John Cena, and Roman Reigns.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 10, 2022 13:21:25 GMT -5
Dude should have retired at least a decade ago even if he wasn't a complete scumbag Why though? From a business standpoint, it wouldn’t have worked out as well. What we like isn’t the most profitable. Him being a sleazy pervert is the only reason why he should step down. Not because Vince pushed John Cena, and Roman Reigns. Because I feel like his company has been mostly boring garbage for a decade. It has sucked & caused me to stop watching with him at the helm. He's wildly out of step with times and is essentially latter day Verne Gagne but with money. That's why. You disagree, which is my fine. But this is my view, and it's been shit with leading the way for a very long time even taking him being a bad human being out of the equation. I don't care about their profits.
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