Post by Feargus McReddit on Jan 11, 2023 9:10:44 GMT -5
On the case of public backlash, we have to remember, WWE was one of few companies to stick to their deal with Saudi Arabia after the Khashoggi murder, putting out the BS "We have to think about the fans there" statement.
I don't think public backlash does much unless a sponsor or a broadcaster says otherwise and I can't see any of them saying much right now.
I'm pretty sure the post you're quoting there is specifically saying that he isn't up their with mass murderers actually. I was pretty specific about not exaggerating because I know he isn't.
Firing his children is not worse than sexual assualt/harassment. Thats more words you're putting in my mouth. Idk how you got my post so wrong when I worded it very carefully, but considering your post got likes I apparently failed.
Yours wasn't the only post saying a similar thing, so I wasn't neccesarily singling you out.
But to break it down, saying 'This puts Vince in a high tier of evil' in relation to him 'discarding' his children did suggest you thought that was a particular bad crime for him to commit.
And clarifying that you don't think he's up there with war criminals or mass murderers - it does make it sound to me at least like you think he'd be on a par with regular old murderers, for example.
I do think treating your children as assets to discard as you see fit is a pretty bad crime tbh, not on the level of sexual assault though (at least not if we're talking about adult children with enough wealth to stand on their own anyway). And I think it speaks to a very strange mindset when you don't even see your children as a legacy and try to hoard power for yourself when you are getting old.
And tbh I'd say the Snuka situation puts Vince on a level with people who have killed one person. I don't think thats much of a stretch. (Also political arguments that I don't think I'm allowed to get into about what billionaires existing does but whatever).
When it comes to WWE, Helwani could tell me the sky is blue and I'd have to look outside to make sure it isn't falling down on our heads.
This is a dude who created a "best British wrestlers" list that had a ton of current WWE guys and no Billy Robinson.
Yeah, I edited my post since, I think he knows more than he's letting on but nothing's confirmed.
He may not know a lot about British wrestling, but he knows a lot about the actual combat sports business. He works for BTSport that has a relationship with WWE and he's buddies with Nick. He's more connected than some of the folks reporting on this stuff already.
And… Let’s be honest here. I get it’s a highly emotional situation here because of Stephanie leaving and it’s always been our way to “work ourselves into a shoot” when it comes to WWE (and I don’t blame anyone thinking like this, because I’m with you here)… BUT… Nobody has out-and-out said “This is definitely happening”. Well, one guy has, but he’s from the #2 listed site on our banned sources list. You know, for unreliable websites. You have a horse basically in a traffic jam of carts put before it.
Yeah, I edited my post since, I think he knows more than he's letting on but nothing's confirmed.
He may not know a lot about British wrestling, but he knows a lot about the actual combat sports business. He works for BTSport that has a relationship with WWE and he's buddies with Nick. He's more connected than some of the folks reporting on this stuff already.
And… Let’s be honest here. I get it’s a highly emotional situation here because of Stephanie leaving and it’s always been our way to “work ourselves into a shoot” when it comes to WWE (and I don’t blame anyone thinking like this, because I’m with you here)… BUT… Nobody has out-and-out said “This is definitely happening”. Well, one guy has, but he’s from the #2 listed site on our banned sources list. You know, for unreliable websites. You have a horse basically in a traffic jam of carts put before it.
Yeah. I think said site has gotten way better at scoops in the last year, specifically when it relates to AEW, but it all kinda makes sense. It's a bad look for them and DAZN if they went and confirmed it and it's going to turn out false.
Yours wasn't the only post saying a similar thing, so I wasn't neccesarily singling you out.
But to break it down, saying 'This puts Vince in a high tier of evil' in relation to him 'discarding' his children did suggest you thought that was a particular bad crime for him to commit.
And clarifying that you don't think he's up there with war criminals or mass murderers - it does make it sound to me at least like you think he'd be on a par with regular old murderers, for example.
I do think treating your children as assets to discard as you see fit is a pretty bad crime tbh, not on the level of sexual assault though (at least not if we're talking about adult children with enough wealth to stand on their own anyway). And I think it speaks to a very strange mindset when you don't even see your children as a legacy and try to hoard power for yourself when you are getting old.
And tbh I'd say the Snuka situation puts Vince on a level with people who have killed one person. I don't think thats much of a stretch. (Also political arguments that I don't think I'm allowed to get into about what billionaires existing does but whatever).
Agreed that it is a warped and strange mindset to not want your family to continue your legacy in a family-run business. He’s certainly not leaving his kids on the street or anything, though- they’re both likely worth over $100 million thanks to the company/Vince.
Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jan 11, 2023 9:24:31 GMT -5
Based on basically absolutely nothing, my read of all this is that it is headed in that direction but not as close as the reports were suggesting.
Alternatively, and less likely, is that it was leaked as either as a trial balloon or because someone wanted to shed a public light on this being a possibility.
Based on basically absolutely nothing, my read of all this is that it is headed in that direction but not as close as the reports were suggesting.
Alternatively, and less likely, is that it was leaked as either as a trial balloon or because someone wanted to shed a public light on this being a possibility.
I think Ariel's tweet kind of infers that's where it's going. "in this precise moment" was interesting wording on his part. I still think we're here in a month or two talking about what happens now that the Saudi's bought it, but who knows.
You also have to figure that if a sale really was happening, an actual major outlet would have picked up the story by now. Not WRESTLESHEETZ DOT COM. No number of gag orders can stop a major outlet from picking the story up if its leaked to them (and all of them have ways of securely leaking stories to them).
This is giving me pause too.
Far as I know it was the WSJ that broke the story of Vince returning. A sale of the company to the Saudis would be an even bigger story, but I am not seeing anything in any mainstream outlet.
Even in this thread, it seems like we're in such a hurry to believe the worst that we're kind of ignoring obvious signs that this may not really be what's happening.
You also have to figure that if a sale really was happening, an actual major outlet would have picked up the story by now. Not WRESTLESHEETZ DOT COM. No number of gag orders can stop a major outlet from picking the story up if its leaked to them (and all of them have ways of securely leaking stories to them).
This is giving me pause too.
Far as I know it was the WSJ that broke the story of Vince returning. A sale of the company to the Saudis would be an even bigger story, but I am not seeing anything in any mainstream outlet.
Even in this thread, it seems like we're in such a hurry to believe the worst that we're kind of ignoring obvious signs that this may not really be what's happening.
With the benefit of time, it's either that a few folks just got straight up hoodwinked and blew it, or that a few folks will be dragged through the mud for being "wrong" for a few weeks and then we'll get a press release announcing the deal. I'm not sure which one, yet. I'd prefer the former, but I think the latter might be where we end up.
To those quick to dismiss the Saudi sale rumors: people were quick to also dismiss rumors of Vince returning and becoming Chairman, or senior management not being radically altered as well simply because the company said so.
I wouldn’t exhale just yet, all I’m saying…
Last Edit: Jan 11, 2023 9:33:40 GMT -5 by Tenshigure
To those quick to dismiss the Saudi sale rumors: people were quick to also dismiss rumors of Vince returning and becoming Chairman, or senior management not radically as well simply because the company said so.
Post by Ash Kingston on Jan 11, 2023 9:37:50 GMT -5
I am very reluctantly unclenching for the time being, but am ready to create diamonds again when I inevitably wake up later and see that they went "surprise, doing it!" anyway.
"You're telling me to do the right thing... while climbing out the window!"
Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jan 11, 2023 9:40:10 GMT -5
Good news: WWE doesn't seem like it's being sold maybe? Better news: That dude with the creepy twitter avatar has probably just tanked his credibility so hard nobody is gonna crosspost his tweets and we won't have to see his creepy twitter avatar anymore.
To those quick to dismiss the Saudi sale rumors: people were quick to also dismiss rumors of Vince returning and becoming Chairman, or senior management not being radically altered as well simply because the company said so.
I wouldn’t exhale just yet, all I’m saying…
At the same time when you have actual major media outlets saying the story is untrue or cannot be verified, then yeah. Remember that the WSJ was the first to break Vince trying to get back onto the board as well. People are trying to run defense for the wrestling scoopsters right now for messing up. I can't believe I have to say this again, but I will. MAJOR MEDIA OUTLETS will find out about the sale before wrestling journalists will. You even had a CBS Sports reporter outright say that the rumor isn't passing the smell test.