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Post by Lance Uppercut on Dec 14, 2022 4:30:45 GMT -5
It took longer than expected but we have our first McMahon apologist. Great. You should see him that 9 lives thread
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Dec 14, 2022 5:27:03 GMT -5
At this point Vince McMahon is like a rash that just won't go away.
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Post by Kalmia on Dec 14, 2022 6:47:27 GMT -5
I'd like to think that there's no chance in hell (pun half intended) of Vince ever getting near the WWE again, but considering how long he stuck it out there despite all of the scandals and shit he pulled, I have less faith in that than I should.
I hope everyone he's ever hurt takes him to the cleaners.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 14, 2022 7:51:03 GMT -5
why did I go to sleep?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 14, 2022 8:35:42 GMT -5
why did I go to sleep? Because Vince roofie'd you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 8:46:10 GMT -5
Vince is a predator and no amount of funny stories about his idiosyncrasies is going to change that fact. No amount of childhood nostalgia is going to change that. No amount of white-washing his abuses through the lens of something as inconsequential as wrestling is going to change that.
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Dec 14, 2022 8:49:44 GMT -5
Vince isn't coming back. Nobody in WWE is going to risk upsetting a sponsor or TV exec by bringing in a toxic old man who was a detriment to the product anyway. Not sure I completely understand, but the way I'm reading things it sounds like it's not really up to them. He's the majority shareholder, so if he's willing to deal with the consequences he can just reinstall himself.
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Post by celtics543 on Dec 14, 2022 9:08:36 GMT -5
The saddest part of this isn't that he wants to come back or even that he would come back. The saddest part is the pop that you know he'll get when he does come back. The boos will come from a small section of the audience but my concern is the overwhelming reception would be positive.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 14, 2022 9:13:42 GMT -5
Vince is a predator and no amount of funny stories about his idiosyncrasies is going to change that fact. No amount of childhood nostalgia is going to change that. No amount of white-washing his abuses through the lens of something as inconsequential as wrestling is going to change that. The past few years have shown that a large amount of people will ignore anything if certain people will.give them something. Racism, sexual assualt, murder. If they get lower taxes, entertainment, or even nothing but someone they dont like gets it even worse then these people will just look the other way or even cheer it on.
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 14, 2022 9:54:08 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there.
And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point.
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Post by polarbearpete on Dec 14, 2022 9:57:30 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there. And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point. Yeah and in the Raw ratings they’re still even or up year over year month by month (especially when you factor in cord cutting), and Smackdown is up even without factoring in any of that.
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Post by mistery on Dec 14, 2022 9:59:06 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there. And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point. For ratings talk, RAW under Vince was still only getting 1.4 or 1.5 even without the NFL. Where Triple H ran RAWs were getting 1.9s or 2.0s without any competition. Hell, the networks don't even want Vince back. Both NBCU and FOX apparently find it much easier to work with the new regime opposed to the McMahon regime. Hell, Rupert Murdoch (Owner of FOX Media) has said that working with Nick, Stephanie, and Paul is a lot more pleasant than having to deal with Vince.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 14, 2022 10:03:32 GMT -5
I will never understand people who simp for billionaires. They wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 14, 2022 10:08:24 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there. And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point. For ratings talk, RAW under Vince was still only getting 1.4 or 1.5 even without the NFL. Where Triple H ran RAWs were getting 1.9s or 2.0s without any competition. Hell, the networks don't even want Vince back. Both NBCU and FOX apparently find it much easier to work with the new regime opposed to the McMahon regime. Hell, Rupert Murdoch (Owner of FOX Media) has said that working with Nick, Stephanie, and Paul is a lot more pleasant than having to deal with Vince. This is a lot of reading between the lines for me but from everything that came out it seemed like Fox for a long time was NOT happy with how Smackdown was being treated and basically felt their money was being wasted
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Dec 14, 2022 10:21:27 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there. And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point. For ratings talk, RAW under Vince was still only getting 1.4 or 1.5 even without the NFL. Where Triple H ran RAWs were getting 1.9s or 2.0s without any competition. Hell, the networks don't even want Vince back. Both NBCU and FOX apparently find it much easier to work with the new regime opposed to the McMahon regime. Hell, Rupert Murdoch (Owner of FOX Media) has said that working with Nick, Stephanie, and Paul is a lot more pleasant than having to deal with Vince. I more say that knowing some stooge might leak something about how HHH’s Raw got a worst ratings record so he should get replaced forgetting that a) he was against the NFL so duh and b) Vince did that without competition so… This is a lot of reading between the lines for me but from everything that came out it seemed like Fox for a long time was NOT happy with how Smackdown was being treated and basically felt their money was being wasted I have no proof of this, just reading between the lines like you are, but I can imagine that them choosing USA over FS1 for NXT didn’t help anything and basically caused Fox to not give a shit about Backstage at all and on top of that, practically giving WWE the easiest path to a CM Punk deal where they themselves would handle the cost probably affected it as much as anything else would.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 10:27:49 GMT -5
And? Look, I watched a lot of WWE as a kid. He’s a piece of shit. Doesn’t matter if he made my childhood. Yeah you'd probably be doing something better with your life than watching wrestling if it wasn't for him so shame on him. So the argument is "but, my childhood". Look, he's still a shitty human being at the end of the day. Always has been, and based on everything, always will be. You can't brush that aside just cause he gave you something to watch on television and to occasionally visit at the local arena.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 10:33:59 GMT -5
It’s right now a case of whether he’s willing to deal with the fact that the company seems to have moved on without him, at least in a partnership perspective. No deals have ended or were forced to because Vince left, nobody’s walked out because he’s left the company, it happened at such a time when there can’t possibly be that much of an affect on the bottom line so, like, the motivation to “save the company” just isn’t there. And I know what some might say, “eJm, the TV ratings have dropped”. That’s true. But if USA weren’t going to care when it went from 4m a week to 3 then 2 and then around 1.7m a week, they ain’t going to care if it hits 1.4m a week because the demo will still be in the Top 10 every week. When that stops happening consistently will be the trouble point. For ratings talk, RAW under Vince was still only getting 1.4 or 1.5 even without the NFL. Where Triple H ran RAWs were getting 1.9s or 2.0s without any competition. Hell, the networks don't even want Vince back. Both NBCU and FOX apparently find it much easier to work with the new regime opposed to the McMahon regime. Hell, Rupert Murdoch (Owner of FOX Media) has said that working with Nick, Stephanie, and Paul is a lot more pleasant than having to deal with Vince. The new guys sound like they take ideas and are willing to figure out what works best for everyone. Vince would just go "it's my show, goddammit!" and you're left being utterly confused when the episode ends with the heroic WWE Champion crying like a bitch.
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Post by lucas_lee on Dec 14, 2022 10:48:49 GMT -5
Considering what we know now and what we have known for years, this is an extremely weird take. The man did build a WorldWide wrestling empire. Be weird to think of a forum today with subforums of Mid-Atlantic, Georgia Championship Wrestling, Mid-South, Word Class, Pacific Northest, etc. He did, doesn't excuse him for being a creep and a terrible person.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 14, 2022 10:56:47 GMT -5
I think he's been future endeavored, no need to reply to him.
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Post by XIII on Dec 14, 2022 11:02:17 GMT -5
Damn. I don’t check the thread for three pages and THAT happened.
Anyways, Vince is an old rapist pervert with sociopathic and control issues and on top of that he clearly has no clue how to book a wrestling promotion and hasn’t for a long time, so off to the refuse bin with you.
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