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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Jul 24, 2022 15:04:10 GMT -5
Vince only retired so he could get a real publisher for his autobiography and now WWE's in-house shitty publisher.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 24, 2022 15:16:46 GMT -5
That's Vince McMahon and Jonathan Gresham in the NWA Powerrplant!!! Oh my god!! He's got Tyrus in the octodad stretch!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 15:46:46 GMT -5
Why am I not in the least bit f***ing surprised that BlackRock is an investor here.
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Post by nisidhe on Jul 24, 2022 15:57:37 GMT -5
So can we expect HHH to bring back Global NXT now that he's back? I still think that will be the eventual long term plan. It actually makes a lot of sense to do it as well. You have natural training camps in countries over the world to feed to the 'Master' show, while equally allowing people in those countries to learn your system so they dont have to go via NXT US to the main roster. Plus you can send people between them for experience and exposure. For the workers, they get some much more steady work and potentially less scummy indie promoters to have to deal with (though of course you trade that for the lack of freedom and potentially scummy in other ways WWE management that will move in). They also get the experience of TV and how TV works, which is going to help them wherever they may end up. Mexico and Japan are always going to be a huge problem due to how engrained their local scene will be, but every where else - it's certainly what I'd still be aiming to do. I truly, deeply, honestly doubt it. There's a reason Nick Khan is co-CEO and it's not just because he understands the talent relations game. NXT has _never_ made WWE a profit and expanding the developmental program beyond Orlando just doesn't make a lot of sense. If WWE wants to expand their global market they're better off doing the following: 1) Fire Kevin Dunn, or at least make it crystal-f***ing-clear to him that his prejudices based on accents/nationalities aren't going to have any influence on the talent or their development or promotion any longer. Homogenizing the talent to fit a middle-America mindset isn't going to draw fans from outside that narrow demographic. 2) Tour overseas. Yes, it can be expensive af to do and the potential for issues can be huge. BUT, it can include tryouts that may bring in local talent to work either dark matches or, indeed, to scout them potentially for NXT in Orlando. Thus, you're letting the tour add value in two ways - by ticket and merch sales and by using the time spent setting up also to put some local folks through their paces and see what sticks. 3) Failing 2), send a scout to an emerging market to show up at some local promotions' shows and see who's got potential. Obviously, further afield the standards for "potential" are going to be a bit higher (and some cultural barriers may need to be lowered in the process), but it would be cheaper to bring a new prospect over to Orlando (and, if necessary, send them back) than to build an entire facility in these countries where local governments may not be on the up-and-up (China right now is an absolute shitshow) and where the training can't be monitored closely to be near WWE standards. It's not entirely a viable plan for WWE. Heck, NXT UK isn't really sustainable long-term given what's happened over there. Sadly, this is one instance where Trips might have been banking on Vince to finance this globalization even despite the money sink it certainly would have been.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Jul 24, 2022 16:12:29 GMT -5
NXT hasn't made a profit because it wasn't designed to. It's eating all the cost of the performance center.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 24, 2022 16:18:49 GMT -5
Cornette put a clip on his YouTube channel about Vince retiring just short of 90 minutes if anyone is interested I think the best story Cornette told about Vince was that despite years of criticising him, when he went back to WWE for the Rock N Roll Express ' Hall of Fame induction, Vince just said 'hey Jimmy, how ya doin?" and was legit happy to see him as if Vince was either completely unaware or just didn't give a shit about anything Cornette had said.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 24, 2022 16:19:15 GMT -5
NXT hasn't made a profit because it wasn't designed to. It's eating all the cost of the performance center. This. When the Black and Gold was running the actual touring brand was successful, the house shows and Takeovers etc were very profitable. They made good merch money, but all that was used to help counteract the cost of running the PC. I compare it to an NHL teams AHL team, the AHL team isn’t a money maker you fund it so that you can build for your future. That’s what NXT is
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 24, 2022 16:27:35 GMT -5
Vince only retired so he could get a real publisher for his autobiography and now WWE's in-house shitty publisher. So he left for the same reason Foley did?!
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 24, 2022 16:39:37 GMT -5
NXT hasn't made a profit because it wasn't designed to. It's eating all the cost of the performance center. NXT is the definition of a loss leader.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 24, 2022 16:42:40 GMT -5
So can we expect HHH to bring back Global NXT now that he's back? Nah they want everything streamlined and as cheap as possible. Too much cost for minimal benefit in investors eyes. That's behind the scenes too, a lot of back office staff have been released too. They'll probably be more open to foreign talent though, even those that aren't fluent in English. Tbh I think the smaller roster is best for WWE and wrestling as a whole, it was way too bloated when they were hoarding people for the sake of it. Just wish they'd slimmed down gradually rather than releasing so many. (Although where I differ is a high quality smaller roster not interchangeable, disposable, prospects)
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Jul 24, 2022 16:44:44 GMT -5
If you're trying to run an entire farm league at a profit you're an absolute idiot who is underspending on your future in a way that's going to destroy you down the line, plain and simple. NXT shouldn't be out there to turn a profit. Being marketable enough to run big shows, have a viable television deal, and move merch is a very reasonable space to end up in, because it can offset some of the costs. But it's still going to cost money. Training people costs money, the building costs money, equipment costs money, but if it gives you a TV-ready roster and helps you develop your future generation of stars, that's worth the investment. I only think that international NXT is a bad idea because NXT UK gets so little attention or buzz, so running more of those isn't going to really animate people any further.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2022 16:56:51 GMT -5
My perhaps nuclear-hot take is that CFO$ was better than Jim Johnston. Both, of course, are better than def rebel, but that's a more tepid take. I feel like Johnston's better, but that CFO$ had some really great themes, too, like Andrade's is one of the best ones WWE has ever had, along with Shinsuke's if that's their doing.
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Post by jason1980s on Jul 24, 2022 17:32:20 GMT -5
I think Jim should have been a lifetime WWE employee. I couldn't believe when he was let go. Warrior, Demolition, Jake, Bossman and others may have been huge talents but Jim was the guy who did their iconic themes. And as judging from a few anthology PPVs, you can't have Demo and Bossman and others coming out to generic music especially on a 1980s, 1990s PPV. They needed Jim's music or Jimmy Hart's.
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Post by jivesoulbrah on Jul 24, 2022 17:45:19 GMT -5
What happens to the Saudi deal? Wasn’t that 100% a Vince deal?
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Jul 24, 2022 17:46:30 GMT -5
What happens to the Saudi deal? Wasn’t that 100% a Vince deal? One has to assume the company made that deal, not Vince himself.
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 24, 2022 17:51:23 GMT -5
My perhaps nuclear-hot take is that CFO$ was better than Jim Johnston. Both, of course, are better than def rebel, but that's a more tepid take. I feel like Johnston's better, but that CFO$ had some really great themes, too, like Andrade's is one of the best ones WWE has ever had, along with Shinsuke's if that's their doing. CFO$ had some growing pains (their Dean Ambrose theme was shit) but they put out a lot of good themes like Andrade, Nakamura, and Samoa Joe's. But Johnston had some stinkers over his career, too
def rebel's themes are just indistinguishable garbage.
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Post by Fake Jesus on Jul 24, 2022 17:57:53 GMT -5
Wade Keller says that Paul Heyman is close with Stephanie and Paul Levesque these days and could be part of a new WWE inner circle, so get ready for more cucking angles
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Post by Citizen Snips on Jul 24, 2022 18:04:00 GMT -5
Cornette put a clip on his YouTube channel about Vince retiring just short of 90 minutes if anyone is interested That’s not a clip, that’s a movie
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Jul 24, 2022 18:10:49 GMT -5
Wade Keller says that Paul Heyman is close with Stephanie and Paul Levesque these days and could be part of a new WWE inner circle, so get ready for more cucking angles Anyone here able to breakdown team Steph/Hunter? Steph Hunter HBK Who else? Dogg is gone. So I'm not exactly sure what their inner circle is.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 24, 2022 18:17:07 GMT -5
Cornette put a clip on his YouTube channel about Vince retiring just short of 90 minutes if anyone is interested That’s not a clip, that’s a movie I'll still probably try and listen to it, but I'll probably log out of youtube first so I don't get a bunch of recommendations.
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