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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 24, 2022 8:25:09 GMT -5
So, it’s been a full month since Vince left… What’s the state of play? Is everything all sunshine and chocolate now? Does Triple H have his own foibles and quirks that will grow to frustrate us in the years to come? All I know for sure that… F***ING GODDAMN this place is so much more fun to post at and manage with two good wrestling companies going. I think it's good but we're still in the early days. I'm sure there will be things done or people pushed that I don't agree with but I think what's different now is that there genuinely feels like there's an effort being made. It didn't feel like there was an effort being made in the last 5-10 years on a week-to-week basis. PPV's were good, but the week-to-week show was rough.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Aug 24, 2022 9:32:58 GMT -5
So, it’s been a full month since Vince left… What’s the state of play? Is everything all sunshine and chocolate now? Does Triple H have his own foibles and quirks that will grow to frustrate us in the years to come? All I know for sure that… F***ING GODDAMN this place is so much more fun to post at and manage with two good wrestling companies going. It’s far from perfect, but the shows have become MUCH more watchable. The pacing is improving, as others said a lot of the Vince speak has been dropped, way fewer BS finishes, the commentary is better and more natural, the promos are improving and becoming more natural, the shows seem less repetitive, the shows feel like there are long term plans that Hunter is committed to rather then Vince’s ADD tear up the script bullshit. And most importantly the wrestlers feel like they’re enjoying themselves more and it’s translating to the screen. It definitely feels like things are headed in the right direction, and this is the most optimistic I’ve felt about WWE on screen product in a long time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2022 10:26:04 GMT -5
I'm not gonna act like Vince didn't (somehow) still have supporters, but it does feel like things being much more relaxed is helping the shows, especially in the ring where it seems like people have more freedom now. Even Dolph Ziggler's been kinda killing it lately.
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 24, 2022 11:42:27 GMT -5
I'm not gonna act like Vince didn't (somehow) still have supporters, but it does feel like things being much more relaxed is helping the shows, especially in the ring where it seems like people have more freedom now. Even Dolph Ziggler's been kinda killing it lately. Amazing what not being scripted down to the tiniest details for the entire length of his WWE career anymore does for someone!
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 24, 2022 12:53:43 GMT -5
I'm not gonna act like Vince didn't (somehow) still have supporters, but it does feel like things being much more relaxed is helping the shows, especially in the ring where it seems like people have more freedom now. Even Dolph Ziggler's been kinda killing it lately. Amazing what not being scripted down to the tiniest details for the entire length of his WWE career anymore does for someone! I thought Raw Underground Ziggler was promising too, but this current version of him has been consistently more interesting.
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Post by bob on Aug 24, 2022 13:27:42 GMT -5
RAW is much better then Smackdown since Vince left
I think lot of that has to do to with even before Vince left RAW was okish and Smackdown was.... a chore to get through
now RAW is feeling must see to me for the first time in years... and Smackdown is getting better but has a long ways to go to catch up to RAW
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 24, 2022 15:58:42 GMT -5
RAW is much better then Smackdown since Vince left I think lot of that has to do to with even before Vince left RAW was okish and Smackdown was.... a chore to get through now RAW is feeling must see to me for the first time in years... and Smackdown is getting better but has a long ways to go to catch up to RAW Smackdown no longer has 15 minute Bloodline entrances, that alone is a big improvement.
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Post by The Warthog on Aug 24, 2022 20:19:39 GMT -5
It just bums me out that RAW gets better when I don't have cable and I have to catch Smackdown on Fox.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Aug 24, 2022 20:23:42 GMT -5
It's nice seeing everyone so happy about how things are going.
And amuses me to no end, the threads where people insisted that Vince's way was the only way and how dare we even question him for a second, nothing could be better and we should all offer to serve Lord Vince until the end of time.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 24, 2022 21:35:52 GMT -5
It's nice seeing everyone so happy about how things are going. And amuses me to no end, the threads where people insisted that Vince's way was the only way and how dare we even question him for a second, nothing could be better and we should all offer to serve Lord Vince until the end of time. Yeah. Like I'm still not watching WWE because of Dunn. But every time I see the ratings thread and Raw doing the best numbers it has in years and live events selling out in record time, I feel vindicated. All the people who thought Vince's way was the only way to go or Triple H's style of booking was too smarky for -the casual fan- have some egg on their faces. And even though I don't watch, I now keep tabs on what's going on (as opposed to only when something noteworthy in its badness happens) and watch YouTube clips and the like here and there.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 24, 2022 22:06:09 GMT -5
The new Bayley faction was on Raw for forty minutes straight and it I didn't even notice until the commercial break after the tournament match.
That alone speaks volumes for how much better the pacing on Raw is. Producing a watchable three hour show every week is a monumental task, but it's clear this regime is much better at it than Vince's regime has been in years.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 24, 2022 22:15:00 GMT -5
The new Bayley faction was on Raw for forty minutes straight and it I didn't even notice until the commercial break after the tournament match. That alone speaks volumes for how much better the pacing on Raw is. Producing a watchable three hour show every week is a monumental task, but it's clear this regime is much better at it than Vince's regime has been in years. And then they had a backstage thing, AND another match, and it was still fine.
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Post by nisidhe on Aug 25, 2022 7:08:55 GMT -5
It's nice seeing everyone so happy about how things are going. And amuses me to no end, the threads where people insisted that Vince's way was the only way and how dare we even question him for a second, nothing could be better and we should all offer to serve Lord Vince until the end of time. Yeah. Like I'm still not watching WWE because of Dunn. But every time I see the ratings thread and Raw doing the best numbers it has in years and live events selling out in record time, I feel vindicated. All the people who thought Vince's way was the only way to go or Triple H's style of booking was too smarky for -the casual fan- have some egg on their faces. And even though I don't watch, I now keep tabs on what's going on (as opposed to only when something noteworthy in its badness happens) and watch YouTube clips and the like here and there. Dunn appears to have gotten the memo at least for the Ziggler-Balor match. The coup de grace shot that ended the match was caught in a wide shot similar to Savage's elbow finisher back in the day. The cuts weren't nearly as dizzyingly frequent, either. Let's see how long these production changes last, or whether Dunn will ultimately bow out from the pressure to do things Paul and Steph's way.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 25, 2022 7:28:52 GMT -5
Yeah. Like I'm still not watching WWE because of Dunn. But every time I see the ratings thread and Raw doing the best numbers it has in years and live events selling out in record time, I feel vindicated. All the people who thought Vince's way was the only way to go or Triple H's style of booking was too smarky for -the casual fan- have some egg on their faces. And even though I don't watch, I now keep tabs on what's going on (as opposed to only when something noteworthy in its badness happens) and watch YouTube clips and the like here and there. Dunn appears to have gotten the memo at least for the Ziggler-Balor match. The coup de grace shot that ended the match was caught in a wide shot similar to Savage's elbow finisher back in the day. The cuts weren't nearly as dizzyingly frequent, either. Let's see how long these production changes last, or whether Dunn will ultimately bow out from the pressure to do things Paul and Steph's way. Even if Dunn can adapt production wise I dont see him staying too long. First time he forgets himself and makes a "Shes gotta have tits!" comment in front of Steph that will be all they need to send him home permanently .
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Post by polarbearpete on Aug 25, 2022 10:25:54 GMT -5
Yeah. Like I'm still not watching WWE because of Dunn. But every time I see the ratings thread and Raw doing the best numbers it has in years and live events selling out in record time, I feel vindicated. All the people who thought Vince's way was the only way to go or Triple H's style of booking was too smarky for -the casual fan- have some egg on their faces. And even though I don't watch, I now keep tabs on what's going on (as opposed to only when something noteworthy in its badness happens) and watch YouTube clips and the like here and there. Dunn appears to have gotten the memo at least for the Ziggler-Balor match. The coup de grace shot that ended the match was caught in a wide shot similar to Savage's elbow finisher back in the day. The cuts weren't nearly as dizzyingly frequent, either. Let's see how long these production changes last, or whether Dunn will ultimately bow out from the pressure to do things Paul and Steph's way. Yeah the camera cuts seem less prevalent than prior. Still a lot but it seems less.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 25, 2022 13:34:33 GMT -5
So glad Vince has gone.
Loved him as an onscreen performer in the attitude era and all that and he's definitely done some great things for the wrrestling business (in talking only about wrestling here) and had many great ideas and moments etc.
However I got so so sick of his maniacal control over how wrestlers talk for example, making everyone talk like weird corporate robots.
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Post by Fade on Aug 25, 2022 13:52:42 GMT -5
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Aug 25, 2022 14:10:03 GMT -5
Vince celebrating his birthday at some NYC hotspot with John Cena is just a … surreal thought.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Aug 25, 2022 14:13:36 GMT -5
Pretty interesting it was just Vince and Cena, tbh. I wonder if there was an afterparty with other folks.
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Post by darbus alan on Aug 25, 2022 14:20:59 GMT -5
I wonder who the woman with the purse strap in her mouth is.
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