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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 7, 2023 17:42:05 GMT -5
Don't know if this is the real pic either but... That one also isn't real, you can find the same picture sans-glasses and mustache. |
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Mar 7, 2023 17:44:33 GMT -5
 SOMEONE GET ME A PICTURE OF VINCE McMENACE'S 'STACHE |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 7, 2023 18:11:26 GMT -5
Whew, finally got my sanity back...  seems to be the real McStache here. (was part of a pic that Sean Ross Sapp shared)  |
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 7, 2023 18:12:43 GMT -5
Finding a pic of Vince with a stupid porn 'stache is like finding a real picture of Bigfoot
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Post by XIII on Mar 7, 2023 18:20:41 GMT -5
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Post by schma on Mar 8, 2023 3:24:32 GMT -5
seems to be the real McStache here. (was part of a pic that Sean Ross Sapp shared) If real, that's a pretty good look considering his age and I don't even like mustaches. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 8, 2023 6:58:57 GMT -5
Mustache Madness aside, this might be why the sale is primed to happen:
By the look of it, NBC is losing $5-$10 million on Raw/NXT, Fox is losing at least $20 million on Smackdown, so it's not expected they'll renew for more money.
Not a big shock: the bubble of massive sports rights deals is beginning to burst, and WWE's ad buys just don't generate the kind of revenue that regular sports ad buys do.
Vince likely knows there's a chance things can go sideways here, so best to cash out at the height of the company's value.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Mar 8, 2023 7:06:29 GMT -5
Mustache Madness aside, this might be why the sale is primed to happen: By the look of it, NBC is losing $5-$10 million on Raw/NXT, Fox is losing at least $20 million on Smackdown, so it's not expected they'll renew for more money. Not a big shock: the bubble of massive sports rights deals is beginning to burst, and WWE's ad buys just don't generate the kind of revenue that regular sports ad buys do. Vince likely knows there's a chance things can go sideways here, so best to cash out at the height of the company's value. That would do a lot to explain it. Without their current TV deals the company would very quickly begin to collapse. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 8, 2023 7:55:50 GMT -5
Mustache Madness aside, this might be why the sale is primed to happen: By the look of it, NBC is losing $5-$10 million on Raw/NXT, Fox is losing at least $20 million on Smackdown, so it's not expected they'll renew for more money. Not a big shock: the bubble of massive sports rights deals is beginning to burst, and WWE's ad buys just don't generate the kind of revenue that regular sports ad buys do. Vince likely knows there's a chance things can go sideways here, so best to cash out at the height of the company's value. Wells Fargo has always been lower on WWE than other analysts as well as being super conservative on rights fees predictions. This analysis is also not the reason that networks pay so much for programming. If you do the same ad calculations for most sports, they are money losers in that way. But that doesn’t take into account carriage fees and the optics of having these entities part of your network. The industry expectation is still that WWE gets an increase in TV rights fees. |
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Post by BradMKE on Mar 8, 2023 8:47:28 GMT -5
Yeah it's not as simple as seeing if the cost for programming is less than the advertising revenue brought in.
Having that prestige programming is important for the overall brand image of a network, as well as using those shows to advertise your other programming, crossover opportunities, keeping a top rated show away from your competition, etc...
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Mar 8, 2023 8:50:48 GMT -5
Mustache Madness aside, this might be why the sale is primed to happen: By the look of it, NBC is losing $5-$10 million on Raw/NXT, Fox is losing at least $20 million on Smackdown, so it's not expected they'll renew for more money. Not a big shock: the bubble of massive sports rights deals is beginning to burst, and WWE's ad buys just don't generate the kind of revenue that regular sports ad buys do. Vince likely knows there's a chance things can go sideways here, so best to cash out at the height of the company's value. Yeah, he's probably more concerned with getting out before it all goes in the toilet than who will be champion by SummerSlam, TBH. |
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Post by Dub H on Mar 8, 2023 8:54:52 GMT -5
I mean if you think Vince went to a show, stayed the whole show on Gorilla and had 0 influence on it, I have a Serial Sex Offender Bridge to sell you.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 8, 2023 8:58:16 GMT -5
I mean if you think Vince went to a show, stayed the whole show on Gorilla and had 0 influence on it, I have a Serial Sex Offender Bridge to sell you. If nothing else he must have sighed really annoyingly at times. |
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Post by Gecko on Mar 8, 2023 10:07:54 GMT -5
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Mar 8, 2023 19:00:03 GMT -5
With him looking like his mother threw the baby away and raised the placenta these days it should be easy to distinguish between new and old pics.
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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 9, 2023 10:29:28 GMT -5
Mustache Madness aside, this might be why the sale is primed to happen: By the look of it, NBC is losing $5-$10 million on Raw/NXT, Fox is losing at least $20 million on Smackdown, so it's not expected they'll renew for more money. Not a big shock: the bubble of massive sports rights deals is beginning to burst, and WWE's ad buys just don't generate the kind of revenue that regular sports ad buys do. Vince likely knows there's a chance things can go sideways here, so best to cash out at the height of the company's value. Yeah, he's probably more concerned with getting out before it all goes in the toilet than who will be champion by SummerSlam, TBH. I doubt things will go in the toilet; WWE still has a lot of value to TV broadcasters, and I still think NBC-Comcast will bend over backwards for them. But I do think the Fox deal might be in some trouble, and while it won't mean that WWE is in any kind of actual trouble, it might mean that the stock price will adjust to a new normal that's not quite as high as it is now, thus making a sale by this summer a higher likely return. The only real question for Fox, I think, is how much they're interested in keeping Smackdown away from NBC and their stations. NBC has it good with WWE right now; sure, they might be short $5-$10 million based on how much the rights fees cost, but NBC gets a lot of mileage out of the partnership given the amount of spinoff shows they've gotten out of WWE (the reality shows on E!, the A&E Biographies, the Peacock content, etc.), plus the fact that Raw and NXT are the only things really keeping USA Network afloat at this point, doing enough to let USA claim a top spot among the most watched cable channels in the process. A shortfall of a few million while getting all of that in the process is definitely worthwhile for them. With Fox, though, the projections were that they wanted Smackdown to draw around a 1.0 in the prime demo, and they were expecting regular viewing numbers closer to 3.5-4 million a week; Smackdown is a very successful show for its timeslot and gives Fox regular Friday night ratings wins, but it undershoots the hoped for numbers pretty considerably, and unlike NBC it isn't like Fox is getting a lot of additional WWE content to compensate for a larger financial shortfall based on ad buys and the rights deal they signed, nor is WWE content, say, boosting FS1's footprint or whatever. It also isn't like a regular sports league, where Fox could've also gotten the benefit of producing their own, say, "pre and post game show" kind of content, since WWE does recaps and stuff on its own shows. Part of what makes the NBA so valuable for the Turner networks, for example, isn't just the games drawing the way they do, it's also how well Inside the NBA does for TNT, and that's in-house content TNT can produce for itself. I'm guessing that if the Fox deal is to grow then it'll likely take a big commitment from WWE that might involve either producing more content, or shifting some content from NBC to Fox, and it's hard to say how much WWE is willing to do that and risk alienating a long-time partner. |
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Post by Feargus McReddit on Mar 9, 2023 10:35:16 GMT -5
Yeah, he's probably more concerned with getting out before it all goes in the toilet than who will be champion by SummerSlam, TBH. I doubt things will go in the toilet; WWE still has a lot of value to TV broadcasters, and I still think NBC-Comcast will bend over backwards for them. But I do think the Fox deal might be in some trouble, and while it won't mean that WWE is in any kind of actual trouble, it might mean that the stock price will adjust to a new normal that's not quite as high as it is now, thus making a sale by this summer a higher likely return. The only real question for Fox, I think, is how much they're interested in keeping Smackdown away from NBC and their stations. NBC has it good with WWE right now; sure, they might be short $5-$10 million based on how much the rights fees cost, but NBC gets a lot of mileage out of the partnership given the amount of spinoff shows they've gotten out of WWE (the reality shows on E!, the A&E Biographies, the Peacock content, etc.), plus the fact that Raw and NXT are the only things really keeping USA Network afloat at this point, doing enough to let USA claim a top spot among the most watched cable channels in the process. A shortfall of a few million while getting all of that in the process is definitely worthwhile for them. With Fox, though, the projections were that they wanted Smackdown to draw around a 1.0 in the prime demo, and they were expecting regular viewing numbers closer to 3.5-4 million a week; Smackdown is a very successful show for its timeslot and gives Fox regular Friday night ratings wins, but it undershoots the hoped for numbers pretty considerably, and unlike NBC it isn't like Fox is getting a lot of additional WWE content to compensate for a larger financial shortfall based on ad buys and the rights deal they signed, nor is WWE content, say, boosting FS1's footprint or whatever. It also isn't like a regular sports league, where Fox could've also gotten the benefit of producing their own, say, "pre and post game show" kind of content, since WWE does recaps and stuff on its own shows. Part of what makes the NBA so valuable for the Turner networks, for example, isn't just the games drawing the way they do, it's also how well Inside the NBA does for TNT, and that's in-house content TNT can produce for itself. I'm guessing that if the Fox deal is to grow then it'll likely take a big commitment from WWE that might involve either producing more content, or shifting some content from NBC to Fox, and it's hard to say how much WWE is willing to do that and risk alienating a long-time partner. The thing we also have to remember is that, unlike USA, FOX can get rid of the WWE content and, besides losing Fridays, it'll affect nothing substantial long term. There's not a real need to keep them in the same way NBC would kill an orphan's puppy to keep WWE content, especially after finding out it's basically a top reason people have Peacock in the first place. And it's hard for me to think they would actually do a in-house thing WWE because of the high hopes they had for Backstage before WWE decided to screw that and get NXT to get smashed on Wednesdays by AEW Dynamite. There's not really a slot that can fill on the network or FS1 right now with the other commitments. |
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Post by polarbearpete on Mar 9, 2023 10:49:14 GMT -5
Yeah, he's probably more concerned with getting out before it all goes in the toilet than who will be champion by SummerSlam, TBH. I doubt things will go in the toilet; WWE still has a lot of value to TV broadcasters, and I still think NBC-Comcast will bend over backwards for them. But I do think the Fox deal might be in some trouble, and while it won't mean that WWE is in any kind of actual trouble, it might mean that the stock price will adjust to a new normal that's not quite as high as it is now, thus making a sale by this summer a higher likely return. The only real question for Fox, I think, is how much they're interested in keeping Smackdown away from NBC and their stations. NBC has it good with WWE right now; sure, they might be short $5-$10 million based on how much the rights fees cost, but NBC gets a lot of mileage out of the partnership given the amount of spinoff shows they've gotten out of WWE (the reality shows on E!, the A&E Biographies, the Peacock content, etc.), plus the fact that Raw and NXT are the only things really keeping USA Network afloat at this point, doing enough to let USA claim a top spot among the most watched cable channels in the process. A shortfall of a few million while getting all of that in the process is definitely worthwhile for them. With Fox, though, the projections were that they wanted Smackdown to draw around a 1.0 in the prime demo, and they were expecting regular viewing numbers closer to 3.5-4 million a week; Smackdown is a very successful show for its timeslot and gives Fox regular Friday night ratings wins, but it undershoots the hoped for numbers pretty considerably, and unlike NBC it isn't like Fox is getting a lot of additional WWE content to compensate for a larger financial shortfall based on ad buys and the rights deal they signed, nor is WWE content, say, boosting FS1's footprint or whatever. It also isn't like a regular sports league, where Fox could've also gotten the benefit of producing their own, say, "pre and post game show" kind of content, since WWE does recaps and stuff on its own shows. Part of what makes the NBA so valuable for the Turner networks, for example, isn't just the games drawing the way they do, it's also how well Inside the NBA does for TNT, and that's in-house content TNT can produce for itself. I'm guessing that if the Fox deal is to grow then it'll likely take a big commitment from WWE that might involve either producing more content, or shifting some content from NBC to Fox, and it's hard to say how much WWE is willing to do that and risk alienating a long-time partner. Oh yeah it’s definitely a possibility that Fox doesn’t want to re-up Smackdown if they want to shift strategies away from the Friday Night sports aspect they wanted. I just don’t think that necessarily means Smackdown signs for less money somewhere else, they could be paid the same or more by NBC for that content. Also, a note on A&E, that’s a separate deal as I don’t think Comcast/NBC owns A&E, Disney does. |
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Post by Chris the Bambikiller on Mar 10, 2023 10:14:23 GMT -5
seems to be the real McStache here. (was part of a pic that Sean Ross Sapp shared) If real, that's a pretty good look considering his age and I don't even like mustaches. Well, it hides part of his face, so it can't be all bad. |
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