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Post by chrom on Jul 27, 2022 17:32:46 GMT -5
So…. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}…kind of hard for damn Namor to eventually become an anti-hero after committing freaking genocide. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I say Attuma was the one responsible for that happening.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 27, 2022 17:39:38 GMT -5
So…. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}…kind of hard for damn Namor to eventually become an anti-hero after committing freaking genocide. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I say Attuma was the one responsible for that happening. {Spoiler}Thats what I’m assuming too.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Jul 27, 2022 21:18:18 GMT -5
So…. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}…kind of hard for damn Namor to eventually become an anti-hero after committing freaking genocide. {Spoiler}The victims of Loki's attempted genocide of Jotunheim, attempted invasion of Midgard, and successful betrayal of Asgard would like a word with you.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 27, 2022 21:38:28 GMT -5
So…. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}…kind of hard for damn Namor to eventually become an anti-hero after committing freaking genocide. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The victims of Loki's attempted genocide of Jotunheim, attempted invasion of Midgard, and successful betrayal of Asgard would like a word with you. Also... {Spoiler}{Spoiler} This guy proved to be pretty popular once T'Challa talked him down.
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Post by chrom on Jul 27, 2022 21:43:10 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} I say Attuma was the one responsible for that happening. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Thats what I’m assuming too. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} When they make Namor's own movie, that's when Attuma will show his true colors
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Post by chrom on Jul 27, 2022 22:35:02 GMT -5
So…. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}…kind of hard for damn Namor to eventually become an anti-hero after committing freaking genocide. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}The victims of Loki's attempted genocide of Jotunheim, attempted invasion of Midgard, and successful betrayal of Asgard would like a word with you. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} There were people at AvengerCon in Ms. Marvel who were cosplaying as him.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 27, 2022 22:35:23 GMT -5
Namor is also arguably the first antihero in comics history. So I'm expecting him to be less of an outright villain and more just antagonistic in this movie so he can begrudgingly help the heroes in future Avengers movies. His alignment basically depends if he feels like trying to get into Sue Richards' pants that day. I mean even when he's a hero his battlephrase is "Imperius Rex!" which basically means BECAUSE I'M THE KING, BITCH! >_>
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 28, 2022 5:42:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Thats what I’m assuming too. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} When they make Namor's own movie, that's when Attuma will show his true colors {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Might never have his own film. There has been something with his rights and Universal. Might be the Hulk siuation.
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Post by chrom on Jul 29, 2022 19:40:44 GMT -5
Unless they bring in a T'Challa from another universe in, I'm afraid we won't ever see him and Storm get together.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 29, 2022 19:48:48 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW} When they make Namor's own movie, that's when Attuma will show his true colors {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Might never have his own film. There has been something with his rights and Universal. Might be the Hulk siuation. {Spoiler}Yup that’s my understanding as well. I’d like to know what the hell kind of contract that is though because has Universal ever come close to attempting a Namor movie?
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 29, 2022 20:17:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Might never have his own film. There has been something with his rights and Universal. Might be the Hulk siuation. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Yup that’s my understanding as well. I’d like to know what the hell kind of contract that is though because has Universal ever come close to attempting a Namor movie? Well its not like the deal Sony has with Spider Man and Fox had with X Men and F 4. Those deals were for full rights to the characters and associated characters with the catch that you had to keep making movies with them. If you went to long you lost the rights. Universals deal with Hulk and Namor does not give them any rights to the characters. They cant make a movie. They just have the right to distribute any movie made with the character as the star. So Marvel can make all the movies they want with Hulk as a co star, or Namor as the villain. But they cant make a Hulk or Namor movie without Universal making most of the money. And dont look for this to change easily. According to Kevin Smith even though Universal have no intention of ever doing anything with Mallrats they will never give up the IP. And Hulk and Namor are much more potentially valuable.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 30, 2022 3:24:13 GMT -5
{Spoiler} The online discourse when this movie's released is going to be absolutely exhausting, isn't it?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 30, 2022 5:19:49 GMT -5
Yep.
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Post by Rolent Tex on Jul 30, 2022 8:16:47 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} The online discourse when this movie's released is going to be absolutely exhausting, isn't it? Yup because of course… {Spoiler}…it’s not like she’s right behind T’Challa in line to be leader of Wakanda AND in line to be Black Panther so I’m sure she’s had zero training her entire life to lead to that possible moment. None. Nada. Zilch.
Plus she was one of the first in line to back up Cap. She waltzed her happy ass right into a fight with the Mad Titan and his hoards while Namor was home under the sea washing his tights. This fight isn’t as one sided as online jerkoffs make it seem.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 30, 2022 8:33:10 GMT -5
Yup because of course… {Spoiler}…it’s not like she’s right behind T’Challa in line to be leader of Wakanda AND in line to be Black Panther so I’m sure she’s had zero training her entire life to lead to that possible moment. None. Nada. Zilch.
Plus she was one of the first in line to back up Cap. She waltzed her happy ass right into a fight with the Mad Titan and his hoards while Namor was home under the sea washing his tights. This fight isn’t as one sided as online jerkoffs make it seem. I saw somebody else make a great point: {Spoiler}We literally saw a Sam Wilson training sequence and these same motherf***ers are here saying "Sam Wilson is not Captain America."
Even if we do get to see Shuri train to be a better fighter, you know the goalposts will move. "Oh, well she's too skinny to kick Namor's ass" or something.
Funny how they never apply the same arguments to the workaholic billionaire playboy with a drinking problem who "privatises world peace" all by himself within six months of building himself a battle suit. Or how Steve becomes the greatest soldier that ever lived despite the sum of his shown training being a couple of weeks of boot camp.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 30, 2022 8:43:20 GMT -5
Yup because of course… {Spoiler}{Spoiler}…it’s not like she’s right behind T’Challa in line to be leader of Wakanda AND in line to be Black Panther so I’m sure she’s had zero training her entire life to lead to that possible moment. None. Nada. Zilch.
Plus she was one of the first in line to back up Cap. She waltzed her happy ass right into a fight with the Mad Titan and his hoards while Namor was home under the sea washing his tights. This fight isn’t as one sided as online jerkoffs make it seem. I saw somebody else make a great point: {Spoiler}{Spoiler}We literally saw a Sam Wilson training sequence and these same motherf***ers are here saying "Sam Wilson is not Captain America."
Even if we do get to see Shuri train to be a better fighter, you know the goalposts will move. "Oh, well she's too skinny to kick Namor's ass" or something.
Funny how they never apply the same arguments to the workaholic billionaire playboy with a drinking problem who "privatises world peace" all by himself within six months of building himself a battle suit. Or how Steve becomes the greatest soldier that ever lived despite the sum of his shown training being a couple of weeks of boot camp. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}I mean she has never shown much hand to hand training, just using her blasters. So they have a little bit of a point.
But all it takes is one line about her having trained all her life which as you say makes total sense and would be expected. And if she later hands over the title to MBaku to stay in the lab as rumored she can say its because she hates fighting.
Plus Namor is rumored to have been in suspended animation or another dimension for hundreds of years. Maybe his strength and fighting skills are lower than usual.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 30, 2022 17:06:21 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It's always important for people possessing superhuman powers to demonstrate an adequate amount of training, otherwise, it's just not realistic.
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 30, 2022 18:08:08 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It's always important for people possessing superhuman powers to demonstrate an adequate amount of training, otherwise, it's just not realistic. {Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Agreed. But again nothing says Shuri has not been trained and has not used her training as she has neither the physique or the stomach for physical combat. But when she does take the herb she would be able to use her training.
And if rumors are true then it would be why she later turns over the mantle to MBaku.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 30, 2022 21:23:31 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Comics Shuri has filled in as BP for T'Challa at least once and is an expert martial artist. So there's precedent. Not that the "get woke go broke" crowd really reads a lot of comics.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 30, 2022 21:46:03 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}It's always important for people possessing superhuman powers to demonstrate an adequate amount of training, otherwise, it's just not realistic. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}Agreed. But again nothing says Shuri has not been trained and has not used her training as she has neither the physique or the stomach for physical combat. But when she does take the herb she would be able to use her training.
And if rumors are true then it would be why she later turns over the mantle to MBaku. {Spoiler}are people forgetting like Shuri fought Killmonger in the first movie.
she more than hold her own against him with just her tech, he managed to get a lucky shot to disable one of her gauntlets.
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