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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Jul 25, 2022 16:24:50 GMT -5
Heyman's last stint booking Raw was awful. Tony Khan proved that booking a successful wrestling company is something basically any 50iq+ smark could do, so let's get in some fresh blood rather than relying on dudes who peaked in the last boom period. Heyman recognizes talent and the need to develop new stars, I think it was Aleistair Black, Ricochet, and 1 other (Buddy Matthews?) he desperately wanted to get over but then Vince cut their legs out from under them. His mentality is absolutely something that could benefit WWE during this transition Didn't The Kabuki Warriors get a decent push around this time also
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 25, 2022 16:25:19 GMT -5
I for one welcome our new McMahon Helmsley overlords.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 25, 2022 16:27:40 GMT -5
NXT got bad when it was forced to compete head to head with AEW, so assuming he’s not bothered by that anymore, at worst his booking could be logical, but occasionally boring… which is a hell of a lot better than the completely unwatchable it’s been under Vince. So this is definitely an improvement. Yup, going live is when the show started to slip in quality. Doing the block tapings meant committing to an idea and seeing it through, but when it moved to USA it became more reactionary and hot shot booking. Sometimes you need to take it on the chin for a bad week and stay the course with only little tweaks instead of blowing the whole thing up because of one shitty rating.
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Post by msc on Jul 25, 2022 16:33:43 GMT -5
NXT got bad when it was forced to compete head to head with AEW, so assuming he’s not bothered by that anymore, at worst his booking could be logical, but occasionally boring… which is a hell of a lot better than the completely unwatchable it’s been under Vince. So this is definitely an improvement. Yup, Going Live is when the show started to slip in quality. Heard that from a lot of the older kids at the time but tbh it felt exciting and Swap Shop was the sort of show your parents watched. (If one person gets this late 80s British TV pun, it'll have been worth it tbh... )
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Post by Feyrhausen on Jul 25, 2022 16:34:30 GMT -5
While I’m not sure he’d want the work at this point of his life…he should at least try to talk Heyman into running one of the brands especially if they want any hope of keeping Brock around. Triple H doesn’t need a freaking insane work schedule anymore and personally I think he should put guys with different booking philosophies in charge of Raw and SD that answer right him. Give them different flavors like when Bischoff/Steph we’re GM’s and SD was fire. I'm sure he will put people in place around him. I feel like it won't be immediate, and he will see what the staff in place can do before he makes a lot of changes. I am willing to bet he already has some people in mind he wants in certain places. I'm sure Dunn will be bought out by the end of the year, as he can't be fired since he is a stockholder. He can be fired. His job is separate from his ownership of stock. Now he probably has a contract that has stipulations on how and why he can be fired, probably with a nice golden parachute. And it wont affect his stock other than he wont receive stock or stock options anymore as part of his employment.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Jul 25, 2022 16:35:54 GMT -5
And Meltzer talks about it all the time, general rule of thumb is building new stars leads to a ratings drop but you need to stay the course for the long term benefits. There’s gonna be some rocky water when you’re trying new things, put you power through it
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Post by Legion on Jul 25, 2022 16:44:43 GMT -5
Yup, Going Live is when the show started to slip in quality. Heard that from a lot of the older kids at the time but tbh it felt exciting and Swap Shop was the sort of show your parents watched. (If one person gets this late 80s British TV pun, it'll have been worth it tbh... ) No need to make a Tiswas of yourself, we're all still Live & Kicking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 16:46:23 GMT -5
Alot of people like to talk about Black and Gold got bad when it hit USA...not really.
It only got bad once they put the titles on Kross and Raquel , but before that? you had Finns 2nd amazing heel run , The Way , Io's magnificent womens title run , Keith Lee and Dijak just slaying it every single time especially the portland match , The Broserweights , the gawd damn fight pit (seriously bring this the f*** back) etc.
And IMO that is what I hope HHH atleast in a more spead out form replicates now with the main roster , while Shawn can do what he wants with the rainbow raid.
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Post by mistery on Jul 25, 2022 16:51:05 GMT -5
Alot of people like to talk about Black and Gold got bad when it hit USA...not really. It only got bad once they put the titles on Kross and Raquel , but before that? you had Finns 2nd amazing heel run , The Way , Io's magnificent womens title run , Keith Lee and Dijak just slaying it every single time especially the portland match , The Broserweights , the gawd damn fight pit (seriously bring this the f*** back) etc. And IMO that is what I hope HHH atleast in a more spead out form replicates now with the main roster , while Shawn can do what he wants with the rainbow raid. Replace Survivor Series with War Games, in my opinion.
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Post by drjayphd (feat. Pitbull) on Jul 25, 2022 16:51:26 GMT -5
Triple H didn't book like flawless perfect wrestling week to week because nobody can, but god this is so relieving. Triple H's flaws are so minor compared to the accumulated insanity of Vince's shit, and the shows will benefit substantially just from the change of voice, from someone who isn't an indecisive maniac shredding scripts, from someone who doesn't need to micromanage and obsess over banal shit, and who has proven he can put on a show that consistently keeps the smarks engaged. Even this alone is going to help out massively. Vince's fixation on finding words people don't use and ramming them down the throats of fans is a prime example of that banal shit. It didn't get anything over, it made WWE into a joke. JUST. TALK. NORMALLY. well for the first time in almost 3 years Im tuning into Raw live Kevin Dunn is still in charge of camera controls so I would bring something to help combat motion sickness. Presumably not for long, HHH didn't promise Dunn a job and him and Stephanie are no friends of Dunn.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jul 25, 2022 16:55:13 GMT -5
I do think changes will be gradual so as not to spook the shareholders further. Except when it comes to Dunn. You'll hear the sonic boom when HHH boots him out. Guile approves "Go home [to the dam] and be a family man."
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jul 25, 2022 16:57:27 GMT -5
oh my god keep Nash and all this dickheads useless friends off the TV, please But what about... Chet Lemon?
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Jul 25, 2022 16:58:47 GMT -5
Alot of people like to talk about Black and Gold got bad when it hit USA...not really. It only got bad once they put the titles on Kross and Raquel , but before that? you had Finns 2nd amazing heel run , The Way , Io's magnificent womens title run , Keith Lee and Dijak just slaying it every single time especially the portland match , The Broserweights , the gawd damn fight pit (seriously bring this the f*** back) etc. And IMO that is what I hope HHH atleast in a more spead out form replicates now with the main roster , while Shawn can do what he wants with the rainbow raid. Replace Survivor Series with War Games, in my opinion. Or do War Games as part of Survivor Series, either’s fine. We should be allowing them an opportunity to fix broken things, not just dispose of them.
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Post by thegatewaydrug on Jul 25, 2022 17:04:33 GMT -5
And Meltzer talks about it all the time, general rule of thumb is building new stars leads to a ratings drop but you need to stay the course for the long term benefits. There’s gonna be some rocky water when you’re trying new things, put you power through it Best proof: All of WWF's great booking and building of 1997 with Austin, Mankind, Rocky, and Kane didn't pay off until 1998... after a certain 83 weeks. Vice versa: All of WCW's 1997-1998 booking sins (Starrcade finish cluster, terrible intro of Bret, nWo getting too long in the tooth w/ no advancement, no immediate title feud for Goldberg) didn't catch up them 'til late 1999 when they sank like a rock.
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Post by DrBackflipsHoffman on Jul 25, 2022 17:23:45 GMT -5
oh my god keep Nash and all this dickheads useless friends off the TV, please But what about... Chet Lemon? yeah you know what I take it back, bring back chet lemon & BLACK SNOW
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Post by corndog on Jul 25, 2022 17:27:17 GMT -5
Triple H didn't book like flawless perfect wrestling week to week because nobody can, but god this is so relieving. Triple H's flaws are so minor compared to the accumulated insanity of Vince's shit, and the shows will benefit substantially just from the change of voice, from someone who isn't an indecisive maniac shredding scripts, from someone who doesn't need to micromanage and obsess over banal shit, and who has proven he can put on a show that consistently keeps the smarks engaged. Even this alone is going to help out massively. Vince's fixation on finding words people don't use and ramming them down the throats of fans is a prime example of that banal shit. It didn't get anything over, it made WWE into a joke. JUST. TALK. NORMALLY. Kevin Dunn is still in charge of camera controls so I would bring something to help combat motion sickness. Presumably not for long, HHH didn't promise Dunn a job and him and Stephanie are no friends of Dunn. I completely forgot about Vince's verbiage obsession(I haven't watched WWE in at least 5 years) and of course the awful, overly scripted promos. Guarantee, HHH isn't doing any of that, probably just bullet points and don't go too far. That alone, should improve the product and then getting Dunn out of there would be great.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Jul 25, 2022 17:34:12 GMT -5
Cook me up some of that Sarray relevance mr H man
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 25, 2022 17:40:57 GMT -5
Cook me up some of that Sarray relevance mr H man Well first, she has to attach her medallion to a chalice and become Super Sarray.
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Post by Nr1Humanoid on Jul 25, 2022 17:41:36 GMT -5
How high is HHH and Stephanie on Roman Reigns compared to Vince?
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Post by darbus alan on Jul 25, 2022 17:43:56 GMT -5
Even if Triple H's sole changes to the product are phasing out the Vincespeak, let the commentators have a little more freedom to call the matches as they want to, and changing the overall presentation to make it seem like the person in charge isn't embarrassed to be associated with pro wrestling, that will go a long way to making the product more tolerable to watch. The little things where it feels so much less corporate.
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