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Post by Legion on Aug 3, 2022 11:07:17 GMT -5
Probably get crucified for this, but is Sarray actually any good? She hasnt impressed me at all since coming to NXT, aside from the gimmick change to being Sailor Moon, which is pretty cool, she doesnt seem at all confident in the ring. She seems slow, out of place, lost at times. I dont know if it's confidence, communication issues between her and her opponents, maybe a language issue or just not liking being there, but she just isn't doing it. Maybe it's just because Asuka, Kairi and Io have all been so good, having a joshi wrestler who doesnt appear to be as good as them is making me see it worse than it is. But still, I'm not seeing anything there. I am not as knowlegable on Sarray as others on here but I can tell you she is absoloutley great , there was a bit of talk not long ago about where she stood in with the other Joshi in WWE and she is basically on Asukas level so a tier below Io. But the biggest hurdle for her has been just the quality of opponents ...Asuka , Io , Kairi all had women that were already vastly experienced and so things just kind of flowed better because it was women who just knew what the f*** they were doing and alot of them had passed through Japan and knew how to work with Joshi talent. I expect her match with Meiko on thursday is gonna open alot of eyes to seeing how actually f***ing great she is. That's fair. She hasnt been given anyone to work with to really have any good showings. I shall check out the NXT UK match, and hope things improve for her. Though given that is against someone where communication/language issues wont be a problem, it may not mean much if that is part of why her matches have been underwhelming. I genuinely think the gimmick can get over, maybe not with everyone, but with kids and a section of the adult audience, I think there is something there. Hopefully they'll give her more of a chance if the regime change means more focus on better opponents for her.
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Post by mistery on Aug 3, 2022 11:15:27 GMT -5
I am not as knowlegable on Sarray as others on here but I can tell you she is absoloutley great , there was a bit of talk not long ago about where she stood in with the other Joshi in WWE and she is basically on Asukas level so a tier below Io. But the biggest hurdle for her has been just the quality of opponents ...Asuka , Io , Kairi all had women that were already vastly experienced and so things just kind of flowed better because it was women who just knew what the f*** they were doing and alot of them had passed through Japan and knew how to work with Joshi talent. I expect her match with Meiko on thursday is gonna open alot of eyes to seeing how actually f***ing great she is. That's fair. She hasnt been given anyone to work with to really have any good showings. I shall check out the NXT UK match, and hope things improve for her. Though given that is against someone where communication/language issues wont be a problem, it may not mean much if that is part of why her matches have been underwhelming. I genuinely think the gimmick can get over, maybe not with everyone, but with kids and a section of the adult audience, I think there is something there. Hopefully they'll give her more of a chance if the regime change means more focus on better opponents for her. I mentioned it previously, but the regime change puts women like Mandy and Nikkita in the most danger, as they rely heavily on their looks to cover up their flaws in the ring and on the mic. And while Nikkita might improve at some point, it's hard to think Mandy is going to find any sort of real success in this new era. Especially after six years in WWE, she still isn't much more than her running knee and her looks. Her offense is still noticeably not great (outside of the knee), and her promos are always the same "look at how hot I am and how I'm the baddest bitch in this company" stuff these days.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 3, 2022 11:23:51 GMT -5
Sarray is definitely good, imo she's the best joshi from a talent standpoint they've signed behind Asuka. She was on fire before coming to WWE with MOTY level stuff on a routine basis.
But I wouldn't ever expect someone just watching NXT to care about her or feel close to that at all. The majority of her stint in NXT has been wrestling 5-6 minute matches, largely with extremely green talent. She does like 20% of her moveset and spends most of the matches setting her opponent up at slower and softer pace than she usually wrestles. Half of that is to be expected with WWE since nobody can wrestle like they did before getting there, but it just feels amplified with her.
The transformation gimmick was fun for a bit, but at the end of the day it's still a 26 year old woman inexplicably wearing a school uniform. In Japan Sarray was a hardnosed ass kicker with a chip on her shoulder, and exceled at putting on longer matches than other, tag work, etc. She doesn't need 25 minute epics to succeed but spending half of a six minute match doing hope spots with rookies is such a waste to me. She should really be trucking people and just being an NXT US version of Satomura only less final bossish. That should have been the point of the transformation from both an impressive and comedic point. Just seems very circular in terms of presentation and it's been long enough where something longer and more meaningful should have come up by now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 13:06:27 GMT -5
I'm so close to giving Tiffany her own thread like Alexa and Liv. Her voice kills me.
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Post by jhbboy198917 on Aug 3, 2022 13:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 3, 2022 14:28:22 GMT -5
Probably get crucified for this, but is Sarray actually any good? She hasnt impressed me at all since coming to NXT, aside from the gimmick change to being Sailor Moon, which is pretty cool, she doesnt seem at all confident in the ring. She seems slow, out of place, lost at times. I dont know if it's confidence, communication issues between her and her opponents, maybe a language issue or just not liking being there, but she just isn't doing it. Maybe it's just because Asuka, Kairi and Io have all been so good, having a joshi wrestler who doesnt appear to be as good as them is making me see it worse than it is. But still, I'm not seeing anything there. twitter.com/i/status/1554634704892182528I guess these fans don't get the Sarray hype. Not going to lie I was dying laughing at them being so giddy about Mandy brutalizing her with those horrible chair shots. "PUT HER ON THE SHELF AGAIN! "Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!" "COME ON USE THE CHAIR!" "ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME!" "YES! YES! YES! YES!" Like seriously guys what the hell? What did this poor woman ever do to you? Was reminding me of that time when that fan was so happy watching Sheamus killing Jamie Noble and ending his career, Also on a related note I hope Mandy continues talking into the camera t0 issue threats like she's early 90's Sid or something. Always used to love when wrestlers would do that but apparently it's been a big no no in WWE for years. Must have been a weird Vince peeve and HHH doesn't give a crap with a wrestler doing it right after Vince quits.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 3, 2022 14:55:15 GMT -5
Probably get crucified for this, but is Sarray actually any good? She hasnt impressed me at all since coming to NXT, aside from the gimmick change to being Sailor Moon, which is pretty cool, she doesnt seem at all confident in the ring. She seems slow, out of place, lost at times. I dont know if it's confidence, communication issues between her and her opponents, maybe a language issue or just not liking being there, but she just isn't doing it. Maybe it's just because Asuka, Kairi and Io have all been so good, having a joshi wrestler who doesnt appear to be as good as them is making me see it worse than it is. But still, I'm not seeing anything there. I guess these fans don't get the Sarray hype. Not going to lie I was dying laughing at them being so giddy about Mandy brutalizing her with those horrible chair shots. "PUT HER ON THE SHELF AGAIN! "Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!" "COME ON USE THE CHAIR!" "ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME!" "YES! YES! YES! YES!" Like seriously guys what the hell? What did this poor woman ever do to you? Was reminding me of that time when that fan was so happy watching Sheamus killing Jamie Noble and ending his career, Also on a related note I hope Mandy continues talking into the camera t0 issue threats like she's early 90's Sid or something. Always used to love when wrestlers would do that but apparently it's been a big no no in WWE for years. Must have been a weird Vince peeve and HHH doesn't give a crap with a wrestler doing it right after Vince quits. Imagine hating someone as wholesome as Sarray.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 15:15:53 GMT -5
I'd root for Mandy over my own grandma, but Sarray's pretty good and just hasn't been given a chance in NXT. Even her debut match in NXT felt more like a showcase for Zoey Stark.
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Post by brettappedout (BLM) on Aug 3, 2022 15:59:01 GMT -5
I guess these fans don't get the Sarray hype. Not going to lie I was dying laughing at them being so giddy about Mandy brutalizing her with those horrible chair shots. "PUT HER ON THE SHELF AGAIN! "Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!" "COME ON USE THE CHAIR!" "ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME! ONE MORE TIME!" "YES! YES! YES! YES!" Like seriously guys what the hell? What did this poor woman ever do to you? Was reminding me of that time when that fan was so happy watching Sheamus killing Jamie Noble and ending his career, Also on a related note I hope Mandy continues talking into the camera t0 issue threats like she's early 90's Sid or something. Always used to love when wrestlers would do that but apparently it's been a big no no in WWE for years. Must have been a weird Vince peeve and HHH doesn't give a crap with a wrestler doing it right after Vince quits. Imagine hating someone as wholesome as Sarray. NXT crowd being racist to a female Japanese wrestler isn't shocking if you've ever seen that Io clip being told to go back to China.
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Post by mistery on Aug 3, 2022 16:53:40 GMT -5
I mean Iyo was asked about the audiences in a Tokyo Sports interview awhile back, and she pretty much outright said that a lot of the fans down there don't respect the performers, particularly the Asian ones after the pandemic. And Asuka mentioned she was the target of racism quite often by people down there during the pandemic, whenever she flew in for the Thunderdome shows in Orlando.
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 3, 2022 17:22:26 GMT -5
I'm so close to giving Tiffany her own thread like Alexa and Liv. Her voice kills me. Tiffany Stratton Appreciation Gymnasium.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 17:50:36 GMT -5
I'm so close to giving Tiffany her own thread like Alexa and Liv. Her voice kills me. Tiffany Stratton Appreciation Gymnasium. I love the Wendy vs. Tiffany feud. "Wendy Choo says the next time she sees me it won't be such a pretty picture. Whatever! Everything I do is pretty."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 18:19:46 GMT -5
Do it and become a winner, Cora.
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Post by mistery on Aug 4, 2022 14:50:43 GMT -5
Well guess what?
Sarray vs Satomura never happened! Blair came out, said that the match wasn't happening, and then the NXT UK GM came out and said that a new #1 contender would be crowned for the NXT UK Women's Championship. They never explained why the match wasn't happening either. Just that "it's no longer happening". And this was after the spent the entire episode and pretty much the past month hyping it up.
Sarray got screwed over again, and I'm at the point where she just needs to leave this company because she deserves so much better than to be treated like absolute garbage (because that's what I'm taking away from this past week involving her).
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 4, 2022 17:18:56 GMT -5
Well guess what? Sarray vs Satomura never happened! Blair came out, said that the match wasn't happening, and then the NXT UK GM came out and said that a new #1 contender would be crowned for the NXT UK Women's Championship. They never explained why the match wasn't happening either. Just that "it's no longer happening". And this was after the spent the entire episode and pretty much the past month hyping it up. Sarray got screwed over again, and I'm at the point where she just needs to leave this company because she deserves so much better than to be treated like absolute garbage (because that's what I'm taking away from this past week involving her). That’s so trash lmao. The only positive you could read in that is that’s maybe they need her to be in the US for angles and—oh wait who are we kidding here lol. Sarray needs to get on the train back to SEAdLINNNG shows.
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Post by Totorob101 on Aug 4, 2022 17:38:02 GMT -5
Sarray deserves so much better and I hope her whole experience working for see hasn't disheartened her because she's still a superb talent and has tons to offer so either they use her better or let her go.
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Post by J is Justice on Aug 4, 2022 19:37:25 GMT -5
Ugh. Sarray's starting to feel like the NXT version of Liv (before she won the title). Just disappointment after disappointment. I'm gonna have to declare myself a hater from now on because I can't go through that shit again.
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Post by AwamoriRock on Aug 4, 2022 19:59:12 GMT -5
Always hate to be booking bitching guy but disheartening a bit as a Sarray fan to see her go from something epic like this: www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/wg4rvy/sendai_girls_2019_the_sun_god_sareee_sarray_and/to just directionless. I think that's what bothers me, I wouldn't like it obviously, but I could accept her wrestling consistently and not "making it" but it just feels like everything she does is so disconnected and not invested in. Imo I'd rather they just call her up and pretend NXT never happened.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Aug 4, 2022 20:44:06 GMT -5
Well guess what? Sarray vs Satomura never happened! Blair came out, said that the match wasn't happening, and then the NXT UK GM came out and said that a new #1 contender would be crowned for the NXT UK Women's Championship. They never explained why the match wasn't happening either. Just that "it's no longer happening". And this was after the spent the entire episode and pretty much the past month hyping it up. Sarray got screwed over again, and I'm at the point where she just needs to leave this company because she deserves so much better than to be treated like absolute garbage (because that's what I'm taking away from this past week involving her). They just need to release Sarray, they either don't know what to do with her or don't want to do anything with her.
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Post by Hypnosis on Aug 5, 2022 7:46:03 GMT -5
Always hate to be booking bitching guy but disheartening a bit as a Sarray fan to see her go from something epic like this: www.reddit.com/r/SquaredCircle/comments/wg4rvy/sendai_girls_2019_the_sun_god_sareee_sarray_and/to just directionless. I think that's what bothers me, I wouldn't like it obviously, but I could accept her wrestling consistently and not "making it" but it just feels like everything she does is so disconnected and not invested in. Imo I'd rather they just call her up and pretend NXT never happened. Sounds like NXT UK suddenly changed booking plans and Sarray only just found out like we did. That's awful.
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