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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Aug 4, 2022 13:58:15 GMT -5
We've speculated a lot and already seen some talent immediately benefit from Triple H coming in. But there are only so many spots on a card for a push. Who might fall down the card in the next few months?
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Aug 4, 2022 14:01:01 GMT -5
Here is the full list -
Theory
End of list.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 4, 2022 14:18:35 GMT -5
Obviously Thoery. Omos I can see having his push scaled back a good bit. I don't think he's going to get phased out or anything but I can them going more with a slow approach with him and where it goes from there is up to him depending on if he's showing any improvement.
On the women's side I would say Liv, Lacey, and Mandy and Toxic Attraction in whole being the most negatively effected. None really seem like the type HHH would be interested in pushing. Also none of them were NXT darling of his when he was running that or are very established veterans that are already made women. I can see Carmella and Natalya being hurt as well by the regime change. Not that they were being pushed super hard or anything recently but I think the days of them being the go to filler PPV title challengers are over.
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Post by msc on Aug 4, 2022 14:27:36 GMT -5
Early signs
Omos hasn't been on RAW since Vince retired. He was last seen on RAW taking a visual pin off Montez Ford before the Usos interfered.
Speaking of Omos, he beat Ezekiel on Main Event. That's another one.
Reggie.
Ditto Veer.
Madcap Moss.
Basically, spot the folk who were getting strong pushes who have suddenly disappeared off the TV. And see if it becomes a pattern long term.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 4, 2022 14:47:37 GMT -5
HHH in NXT generally still pushed people that were over even if he didn't get it... but yeah we really haven't seen Ezekial in a bit... I do wonder if that's a case of wanting to know where the hell this storyline is going because there's not a lot of places for it to go especially after the Owens feud which is really the only reason why it's working in the first place.
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Post by msc on Aug 4, 2022 15:11:26 GMT -5
HHH in NXT generally still pushed people that were over even if he didn't get it... but yeah we really haven't seen Ezekial in a bit... I do wonder if that's a case of wanting to know where the hell this storyline is going because there's not a lot of places for it to go especially after the Owens feud which is really the only reason why it's working in the first place. Kevin Owens beat him fairly convincingly on PPV, then it kept going and kept going. Now they are showing Kevin Owens vignettes to build him up again as a big deal. You have to to fear for Zeke.
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Post by bob on Aug 4, 2022 15:32:54 GMT -5
Omos, Theory, Ezekial
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2022 15:37:52 GMT -5
Tag teams: they were never a big part of his in ring career, black and gold had teams like the Ascension, the Vaudevillians, Lucha Dragons ect who had title reigns which were never really given storylines or much character development and they flopped on the main roster. Even the Revival struggled a lot as not much thought had been put into their presentation and characters other than "two serious guys who wrestler well in an retro way."
Looks like the Street Profits maybe on their last legs with solo pushes coming, New Day, Usos and Sheamus' Peaky Blinders tribute act are already established so will be okay but wouldn't be surprised to see Viking Raiders, Los Lotharios and Alpha Academy among others struggle for tv time and storylines. Judgement Day will probably challenge the Usos at some point to keep them busy until Orton is back but I don't see tag openings for anyone new.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 4, 2022 15:54:53 GMT -5
HHH in NXT generally still pushed people that were over even if he didn't get it... but yeah we really haven't seen Ezekial in a bit... I do wonder if that's a case of wanting to know where the hell this storyline is going because there's not a lot of places for it to go especially after the Owens feud which is really the only reason why it's working in the first place. Kevin Owens beat him fairly convincingly on PPV, then it kept going and kept going. Now they are showing Kevin Owens vignettes to build him up again as a big deal. You have to to fear for Zeke. After Owens came back from his minor injury and there was no follow up with the Ezekeil stuff that was a sign right away that it's probably not going to last much longer or at least be given any focus. Instead they just fed him to Rollins and now he's jobbing on Main Event. And I don't know why as it was getting over and was honestly the best part of the show.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 4, 2022 15:59:33 GMT -5
HHH in NXT generally still pushed people that were over even if he didn't get it... but yeah we really haven't seen Ezekial in a bit... I do wonder if that's a case of wanting to know where the hell this storyline is going because there's not a lot of places for it to go especially after the Owens feud which is really the only reason why it's working in the first place. Kevin Owens beat him fairly convincingly on PPV, then it kept going and kept going. Now they are showing Kevin Owens vignettes to build him up again as a big deal. You have to to fear for Zeke. I mean the Ezekial gimmick is one of those "...and then what?" gimmicks. It works for exactly one feud... and it dies pretty much as soon as it's established that it is the same person in kayfabe or not.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 4, 2022 16:02:07 GMT -5
Tag teams: they were never a big part of his in ring career, black and gold had teams like the Ascension, the Vaudevillians, Lucha Dragons ect who had title reigns which were never really given storylines or much character development and they flopped on the main roster. Even the Revival struggled a lot as not much thought had been put into their presentation and characters other than "two serious guys who wrestler well in an retro way." Looks like the Street Profits maybe on their last legs with solo pushes coming, New Day, Usos and Sheamus' Peaky Blinders tribute act are already established so will be okay but wouldn't be surprised to see Viking Raiders, Los Lotharios and Alpha Academy among others struggle for tv time and storylines. Judgement Day will probably challenge the Usos at some point to keep them busy until Orton is back but I don't see tag openings for anyone new. YOu literally listed the Revival who had great matches and put emphasis on tag team wrestling along with American Alpha, DIY, Undisputed Era... etc. Hell the Dusty Rhodes Classic where the finals were the main event of at least one Take Over. Triple H had a pretty heavy focus on Tag teams actually mattering.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 4, 2022 16:11:30 GMT -5
Elias/Ezekiel and that's not a good choice. He's super over. No reason why he can't be a mid-card staple. I don't like the extremes of both HHH and Vince's booking. I like who Vince pushes, but prefer HHH's creativity. Was hoping for more of a balance. It's too early to tell of course.
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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Aug 4, 2022 16:15:57 GMT -5
Elias/Ezekiel and that's not a good choice. He's super over. No reason why he can't be a mid-card staple. I don't like the extremes of both HHH and Vince's booking. I like who Vince pushes, but prefer HHH's creativity. Was hoping for more of a balance. It's too early to tell of course. That's my stance on it too. Triple H is much better when it comes to logical storytelling and not doing stupid crap that doesn't many sense. However I don't think he's as good at judging who to push as he's too reliant on workrate instead of looking at the whole package. Yeah you'll get good matches but for that's not as big of a deal for me. I like great characters that are larger then life personalities and the talents he's usually high and gives big pushes to tend to lack in that.
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Post by dbrussel on Aug 4, 2022 16:16:41 GMT -5
R-Truth wasnt exactly at the top, but he only was there cause he made Vince laugh... We'll see now.
Also Ezekiel, Omos, Veer, Theory......
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Post by Feyrhausen on Aug 4, 2022 16:22:55 GMT -5
Tag teams: they were never a big part of his in ring career, black and gold had teams like the Ascension, the Vaudevillians, Lucha Dragons ect who had title reigns which were never really given storylines or much character development and they flopped on the main roster. Even the Revival struggled a lot as not much thought had been put into their presentation and characters other than "two serious guys who wrestler well in an retro way." Looks like the Street Profits maybe on their last legs with solo pushes coming, New Day, Usos and Sheamus' Peaky Blinders tribute act are already established so will be okay but wouldn't be surprised to see Viking Raiders, Los Lotharios and Alpha Academy among others struggle for tv time and storylines. Judgement Day will probably challenge the Usos at some point to keep them busy until Orton is back but I don't see tag openings for anyone new. YOu literally listed the Revival who had great matches and put emphasis on tag team wrestling along with American Alpha, DIY, Undisputed Era... etc. Hell the Dusty Rhodes Classic where the finals were the main event of at least one Take Over. Triple H had a pretty heavy focus on Tag teams actually mattering. Also Street Profits, Viking/War Raiders, Authors of Pain, even Breezango got decent pushes. NXT Black and Gold loved their tag teams.
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Post by government mule on Aug 4, 2022 16:52:04 GMT -5
Madcap Moss now he's 'Mr A Generic Looking Bloke' with no feud running.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 4, 2022 16:53:15 GMT -5
Madcap Moss now he's 'Mr A Generic Looking Bloke' with no feud running. I mean... that's where kinda where he was Pre-Triple H too... he came out in the Black Trunks to beat Corbin then was just kinda around.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 4, 2022 16:55:23 GMT -5
Cody might be in serious trouble when he comes back if Triple H hasn't come around on him, and even just from hearing the people who weren't smitten with Triple H after their NXT tenures, it seems if you weren't one of his boys, you weren't really getting that push, and Cody sure did spend a while openly running cheeky Triple H nods.
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Post by fw91 on Aug 4, 2022 17:02:34 GMT -5
Elias/Ezekiel and that's not a good choice. He's super over. No reason why he can't be a mid-card staple. I don't like the extremes of both HHH and Vince's booking. I like who Vince pushes, but prefer HHH's creativity. Was hoping for more of a balance. It's too early to tell of course. That's my stance on it too. Triple H is much better when it comes to logical storytelling and not doing stupid crap that doesn't many sense. However I don't think he's as good at judging who to push as he's too reliant on workrate instead of looking at the whole package. Yeah you'll get good matches but for that's not as big of a deal for me. I like great characters that are larger then life personalities and the talents he's usually high and gives big pushes to tend to lack in that. yep. My thoughts exactly.
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Post by government mule on Aug 4, 2022 17:02:56 GMT -5
Madcap Moss now he's 'Mr A Generic Looking Bloke' with no feud running. I mean... that's where kinda where he was Pre-Triple H too... he came out in the Black Trunks to beat Corbin then was just kinda around. Yeah true, he did manage to blag a MITB spot but I don't even see him getting that sort of spotlight going forward.
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