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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Aug 9, 2022 17:12:27 GMT -5
I’ve never heard this story. I’m sure that Severn wasn’t serious because there’s no way it would have worked. lol A good Severn story is that during the time when the Ministry was recruiting scrubs Russo wanted him to join and become the Beast with 666 written on his forehead but Dan wouldn’t do it, so eventually one of the backstage guys was like “fine we’ll just job you out then!” and Severn says “who do you have that’s going to make sure I lose?” so they took him off of tv and just used him on house shows until his contract was up. That’s good but I prefer Pillman’s. Bill Watts: We’re cutting your pay. Pillman: Nope. I have a contract. Watts: Then we’re jobbing you out. Pillman: That’s fine. I’ll be the world’s highest paid jobber.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on Aug 9, 2022 17:32:12 GMT -5
I’ve never heard this story. I’m sure that Severn wasn’t serious because there’s no way it would have worked. lol A good Severn story is that during the time when the Ministry was recruiting scrubs Russo wanted him to join and become the Beast with 666 written on his forehead but Dan wouldn’t do it, so eventually one of the backstage guys was like “fine we’ll just job you out then!” and Severn says “who do you have that’s going to make sure I lose?” so they took him off of tv and just used him on house shows until his contract was up. As far as Russo ideas, Severn would’ve got off pretty light.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Aug 9, 2022 17:39:17 GMT -5
As we all know, Dan "The Beast" Severn was one of the most (legit) toughest guys that ever stepped foot in a pro wrestling ring. I think it's safe to say he can manhandle over 95% of the roster, in any company, in any era, especially in 98/99 WWF. With having amateur wrestling and mix martial arts under his belt, it's best to keep on his good side which is what much of the locker room did by addressing him as "Mr. Severn" backstage. Despite having MMA and pro wrestling success(in other companies), it didn't translate into the World Wrestling Federation. Especially in the Attitude Era where showmanship was more important than in-ring ability. The fact that he came off as a High School Guidance Counselor/Gym Coach rather than your typical wrestling monster didn't help matters. It a shoot interview, The Beast stated he was considering shooting in the Royal Rumble match as a way to get back at the company for how they booked him. If he was serious about it, then he's delusional(I hope to god he's not reading this for fear of him coming to find me).Lets just say for the sake of this thread, he tried to shoot in the match, what are the chances of him actually succeeding at it? Mind you he came in at number 8 and lower card guys Edge, Droz, and Steve Blackman were in the ring. After him came Tiger Ali Singh and Blue Meanie. Then at number 11 would be big Mabel who cleared house(with the exception of Edge, who was eliminated by Road Dogg). At what point would he start shooting? Mr. Severn maybe strong and take Vis out in a real fight, but I can't see any non-work way he can lift him over the top rope, since he has a high case of gravity, and it would take a huge number of guys to legit throw him over the top rope. And then there's other big dudes like Kurrgan, Kane, Test, and Mark Henry. Not to mention another MMA fighter(who he traded victories with) Ken Shamrock. I can't see a feasible way for him to get past Mabel, let alone all those other guys if the ring fills up. I don't know how the Rumble match is constructed behind the scenes, but I'm pretty sure the participants are told how long they'll be in for, and somebody will eventually notice he was hanging on longer than he was told. Also, since the planned winner was Vince McMahon, and the runner up was "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, both of whom didn't get back into the match until the very end, there's no realistic way that can happen. If he drew a later number and started shooting, maybe, but even then I don't know. Anybody have more context to this? I've not seen this interview so no clue on the context, but did he mean "shooting" as in actually attempt to win the Rumble? Or "shooting" as in just hurt people? Because, yeah, him thinking he could make it through another forty-something minutes and twenty-something other guys is ridiculous. But him just deciding to bloody a few noses and give a few black eyes before thinking "my work here is done" then walking out? That I could see him pulling off.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 9, 2022 17:48:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I don’t think he meant shoot eliminating people and definitely not shoot winning the match . I think he just meant hurting some people, which he was more than capable of doing before anyone figured it out and was able to do anything about it.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 9, 2022 18:33:33 GMT -5
As we all know, Dan "The Beast" Severn was one of the most (legit) toughest guys that ever stepped foot in a pro wrestling ring. I think it's safe to say he can manhandle over 95% of the roster, in any company, in any era, especially in 98/99 WWF. With having amateur wrestling and mix martial arts under his belt, it's best to keep on his good side which is what much of the locker room did by addressing him as "Mr. Severn" backstage. Despite having MMA and pro wrestling success(in other companies), it didn't translate into the World Wrestling Federation. Especially in the Attitude Era where showmanship was more important than in-ring ability. The fact that he came off as a High School Guidance Counselor/Gym Coach rather than your typical wrestling monster didn't help matters. It a shoot interview, The Beast stated he was considering shooting in the Royal Rumble match as a way to get back at the company for how they booked him. If he was serious about it, then he's delusional(I hope to god he's not reading this for fear of him coming to find me).Lets just say for the sake of this thread, he tried to shoot in the match, what are the chances of him actually succeeding at it? Mind you he came in at number 8 and lower card guys Edge, Droz, and Steve Blackman were in the ring. After him came Tiger Ali Singh and Blue Meanie. Then at number 11 would be big Mabel who cleared house(with the exception of Edge, who was eliminated by Road Dogg). At what point would he start shooting? Mr. Severn maybe strong and take Vis out in a real fight, but I can't see any non-work way he can lift him over the top rope, since he has a high case of gravity, and it would take a huge number of guys to legit throw him over the top rope. And then there's other big dudes like Kurrgan, Kane, Test, and Mark Henry. Not to mention another MMA fighter(who he traded victories with) Ken Shamrock. I can't see a feasible way for him to get past Mabel, let alone all those other guys if the ring fills up. I don't know how the Rumble match is constructed behind the scenes, but I'm pretty sure the participants are told how long they'll be in for, and somebody will eventually notice he was hanging on longer than he was told. Also, since the planned winner was Vince McMahon, and the runner up was "Stone Cold" Steve Austin, both of whom didn't get back into the match until the very end, there's no realistic way that can happen. If he drew a later number and started shooting, maybe, but even then I don't know. Anybody have more context to this? I've not seen this interview so no clue on the context, but did he mean "shooting" as in actually attempt to win the Rumble? Or "shooting" as in just hurt people? Because, yeah, him thinking he could make it through another forty-something minutes and twenty-something other guys is ridiculous. But him just deciding to bloody a few noses and give a few black eyes before thinking "my work here is done" then walking out? That I could see him pulling off. Here's what he said verbatim On The Royal Rumble “Controversy”: [One of the WWE agents] said “We could have you start losing matches.” And I said, “You could ask me to lose a match, but where does it say in my contract that I have to lose to anybody? What if I take your wacky world of fantasy, and I turn it into reality? Which one of your stars stands a snowball’s chance in hell against me?” His eyes just got so big. The Royal Rumble was coming around the corner, and it even crossed my mind, what if I approached Ted Turner [and] Eric Bischoff, and said “Hey guys, I’m going to be in the Royal Rumble. It’s a live pay-per-view … And when it comes time for me to have to exit the ring, [what if] I turn fantasy into reality and I clear the ring … and all I have to do is wait every 90 seconds for [WWE] to send me some fresh meat?” While he didn't specifically say he would eliminate anybody or win for real, he did say he would clear the ring which could imply he'd legit chuck some guys out. It's possible that the truth lies somewhere in between.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 9, 2022 18:36:57 GMT -5
First thing I thought upon reading this was that APA would probably serve him a beating like they did to the PE if he tried.
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 9, 2022 18:40:26 GMT -5
First thing I thought upon reading this was that APA would probably serve him a beating like they did to the PE if he tried. That actually would've been perfect timing since they came out to kidnap Mabel(who they turned into Viscera). Just have Mabel willingly join The Ministry instead of being brainwashed as all three of them gang up on Severn.
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Post by The Rick Jericho on Aug 9, 2022 18:47:01 GMT -5
First thing I thought upon reading this was that APA would probably serve him a beating like they did to the PE if he tried. That actually would've been perfect timing since they came out to kidnap Mabel(who they turned into Viscera). Just have Mabel willingly join The Ministry instead of being brainwashed as all three of them gang up on Severn. Mabel comes out and splashes Severn like 3 times, shoot legit. Trying to break his face like he did to Undertaker in 1995. Bradshaw, Faaraoq and Mabel all attack him afterwards.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 9, 2022 19:49:33 GMT -5
First thing I thought upon reading this was that APA would probably serve him a beating like they did to the PE if he tried. I think they would have found him to be much more of a struggle than they got from PE.
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Post by jason1980s on Aug 9, 2022 20:29:39 GMT -5
First thing I thought upon reading this was that APA would probably serve him a beating like they did to the PE if he tried. I think they would have found him to be much more of a struggle than they got from PE. I think so too. PE were expecting a regular worked match, maybe a little stiff being Bradshaw and Simmons but they weren't expecting a one sided assault. Dan on the hand would be knowing it was war.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 9, 2022 21:45:57 GMT -5
I don't care how tough you are, you are not singlehandedly legit eliminating every single entrant. Removing fight talent from the equation and just talking about dead weight. This Rumble had Quake, Kane, Viscera. Dan Severn is a scary scary man and if he decided to shoot in the Battle Riot, I genuinely think he might have a shot if he just knocked people out one at a time quickly enough. But the Rumble has specific rules. Quite apart from which, it would be a great way to get yourself blackballed from everywhere if you're lucky and thrown in prison if you aren't. Wasn't Quake already eliminated by the time Dan came out?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Aug 9, 2022 22:20:44 GMT -5
Yeah I thought Droz was like 275 in WWF so maybe I’m over estimating his size. Droz's billed weight was 270lbs, but his height, build, and bodyfat looks like it was almost identical to Sheamus, who's a legit 240lbs according to his workout vlogs, so yeah, I'd have put Droz at no bigger than 245lbs.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 9, 2022 22:29:48 GMT -5
I don't care how tough you are, you are not singlehandedly legit eliminating every single entrant. Removing fight talent from the equation and just talking about dead weight. This Rumble had Quake, Kane, Viscera. Dan Severn is a scary scary man and if he decided to shoot in the Battle Riot, I genuinely think he might have a shot if he just knocked people out one at a time quickly enough. But the Rumble has specific rules. Quite apart from which, it would be a great way to get yourself blackballed from everywhere if you're lucky and thrown in prison if you aren't. Wasn't Quake already eliminated by the time Dan came out? I mean, if Severn is going into business for himself, having Golga "join the Ministry" to get some extra bodies Severn can't easily manipulate isn't a big stretch.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 9, 2022 22:37:52 GMT -5
Wasn't Quake already eliminated by the time Dan came out? I mean, if Severn is going into business for himself, having Golga "join the Ministry" to get some extra bodies Severn can't easily manipulate isn't a big stretch. But then how would you explain him never showing up again? Wasn't the Rumble one of his last appearances. I'm positive he was gone by Mania as I never saw him on TV when I was watching wrestling.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 9, 2022 23:04:06 GMT -5
I mean, if Severn is going into business for himself, having Golga "join the Ministry" to get some extra bodies Severn can't easily manipulate isn't a big stretch. But then how would you explain him never showing up again? Wasn't the Rumble one of his last appearances. I'm positive he was gone by Mania as I never saw him on TV when I was watching wrestling. Well, maybe Tenta being sent out with the Ministry changes that? Maybe he loses a match on TV and gets kicked right back out of the Ministry? Maybe they send Quake out with no mask and pretend the slightly familiar big man is a completely different man than Golga? It's Russo writing, so continuity here is completely optional when it comes a rogue MMA dude trying to shoot on the Royal Rumble.
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Post by Aceorton on Aug 9, 2022 23:40:14 GMT -5
I've not seen this interview so no clue on the context, but did he mean "shooting" as in actually attempt to win the Rumble? Or "shooting" as in just hurt people? Because, yeah, him thinking he could make it through another forty-something minutes and twenty-something other guys is ridiculous. But him just deciding to bloody a few noses and give a few black eyes before thinking "my work here is done" then walking out? That I could see him pulling off. Here's what he said verbatim On The Royal Rumble “Controversy”: [One of the WWE agents] said “We could have you start losing matches.” And I said, “You could ask me to lose a match, but where does it say in my contract that I have to lose to anybody? What if I take your wacky world of fantasy, and I turn it into reality? Which one of your stars stands a snowball’s chance in hell against me?” His eyes just got so big. The Royal Rumble was coming around the corner, and it even crossed my mind, what if I approached Ted Turner [and] Eric Bischoff, and said “Hey guys, I’m going to be in the Royal Rumble. It’s a live pay-per-view … And when it comes time for me to have to exit the ring, [what if] I turn fantasy into reality and I clear the ring … and all I have to do is wait every 90 seconds for [WWE] to send me some fresh meat?” While he didn't specifically say he would eliminate anybody or win for real, he did say he would clear the ring which could imply he'd legit chuck some guys out. It's possible that the truth lies somewhere in between. Thoughts: - Shooting on random innocent co-workers who have nothing to do with his booking (and God forbid hurting any of them) would have been a great way to get the piss stomped out of him by a mob of guys back in the locker room. And that's after they stomped the piss out of him right there in the ring.
- Taking a 250-pound guy down to the mat and stretching him is a hell of a lot different than lifting that guy up against his will and dumping him over the top rope.
- Vince McMahon would have had someone go down and stun Severn with a cattle prod before he'd let him take over his Rumble match.
- Monday Night War or not, I highly doubt Bischoff would have wanted anything to do with this. Sponsoring a guy to attack people in the opposing company for real in 1999, long after the days of strict kayfabe, would have carried possible criminal risk. And why would Bischoff want someone like that coming over to his own company? The second WCW started booking Severn in a way he didn't like, they'd have the same problem with him threatening to shoot on their guys, too.
- I think Severn is just puffing himself up like a tough guy here. He knows he would've been absolutely creamed if he tried it.
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Aug 10, 2022 1:02:34 GMT -5
But then how would you explain him never showing up again? Wasn't the Rumble one of his last appearances. I'm positive he was gone by Mania as I never saw him on TV when I was watching wrestling. Well, maybe Tenta being sent out with the Ministry changes that? Maybe he loses a match on TV and gets kicked right back out of the Ministry? Maybe they send Quake out with no mask and pretend the slightly familiar big man is a completely different man than Golga? It's Russo writing, so continuity here is completely optional when it comes a rogue MMA dude trying to shoot on the Royal Rumble. Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your fanfic. Tenta did deserve a bigger break in the Fed. Vince did him dirty sticking him under that hood. "MacMahon or Russo?" ..... Yes.
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Post by msc on Aug 10, 2022 5:24:31 GMT -5
I don't think Severn was being serious. More just shooting the breeze, talking hypotheticals. Though I think WWF took him serious as Blackman was in there at the same time. Severn was a legend but my money was always on Steve in any legit fight.
Also you can shoot eliminate people. Hogan did it to Hercules in a battle royale once and herc got fired directly after. Think in retaliation for no selling Sid's offence?
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 10, 2022 5:37:33 GMT -5
They'd just send Shamrock out next and tell him to team up with Blackman
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Post by sungod2020 on Aug 10, 2022 7:41:36 GMT -5
I don't think Severn was being serious. More just shooting the breeze, talking hypotheticals. Though I think WWF took him serious as Blackman was in there at the same time. Severn was a legend but my money was always on Steve in any legit fight. Also you can shoot eliminate people. Hogan did it to Hercules in a battle royale once and herc got fired directly after. Think in retaliation for no selling Sid's offence?I would post it on here if it wasn't against the rules, but looking at the video, Hogan's elimination of Hercules dosen't look too out of the ordinary. Hogan came up to him while leaning on Bossman, lifted him over his shoulders, and then tossed him out. It might've looked a little sluggish(then again, it's a battle royal where there isn't much room to do any movement) and Herc might've been going through the motions, but if Herc refused to get eliminated, he wouldn't jump for Hogan to lift him up since he'd be dead weight. And then by going over the top rope, Herc would've had to prepare himself to fall, or else he would land on the ring apron instead of the floor. If somebody can post a shoot elimination, I'd like to see it and compare it with a kayfabe one.
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