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Post by kingoftheindies on Aug 11, 2022 5:35:39 GMT -5
The only real time I felt bad about the champions was Brits reign being so long and the Sammy/Sky mess. I didn’t hate Brits reign as much as most people seemed to, but I do agree that it went to long. The Sammy/Sky stuff was a mess. I think the matches were great for the most part. In the ring, Sammy and Scorpio were NOT bad champions. But the storyline was very convoluted and that sadly dragged them down. But overall, I don’t have much to complain about when it comes to the champions. I think Britt's reign was fine until Full Gear. I think that's when it became way too obvious they were holding off for Rosa which is fine but it felt like the belt was just on hold. And yeah the TNT title seemed to be damaged by Scorp and Sammy (as did both of them too). Getting the belt on Wardloe even if he isn't gonna be the workhorse Cody/Darby/Miro we're should help thr title a lot
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2022 6:22:07 GMT -5
The only belt I'd say has been poorly booked at times is the TNT Title, and even then I think Wardlow's run is doing a lot to repair its credibility. Otherwise the belts all feel prestigious, in large part because none of the champions have been presented as flukes or undeserving.
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Post by Super Duper Dragunov on Aug 11, 2022 7:39:14 GMT -5
All I have to add right now is that Shida deserved a helluva lot better once she dropped the title.
I wasn't completely sold on her, but I can't deny she put the division on her back during the pandemic. But that's all I'll say before I go off on a tangenty rant.
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Post by clifford on Aug 11, 2022 7:50:01 GMT -5
I think, when it comes to establishing world titles in wrestling, you need the first few years to have strong, long reigns with your biggest stars to create prestige and heritage.
The AEW title is almost 3 years old. The champs have been Jericho, Moxley, Kenny, Hangman and Punk. The 5 biggest stars in the company. Danielson the only other wrestler on their level not to be world champ. No short title reigns, no questionable world champs, no shock title changes to pop a rating or test someone at the top. Every reign and title change has meant something, and the result is that their world title actually feels like a big deal.
In future years when you have the likes of MJF, Starks or Darby maybe winning their first world title, those reigns will mean more too as a result of what came before it.
The womens title has followed a similar trajectory, with more varied results.
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Post by canceled4truth on Aug 11, 2022 10:32:46 GMT -5
I think the men's world title has mostly been booked fine — Hangman, though I like him, had the same problem Big E did as WWE Champion where it never really felt like he was the main character of the show, like you'd like your champ to be. I wouldn't say it was a mistake per se, but I do think it may have been more compelling to have him drop the belt to Danielson when he was red hot as a heel.
The women's title has very much not been booked well, but that's more of a symptom of AEW's overall attitude on women's wrestling, rather than any of the individual workers.
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 11, 2022 10:39:11 GMT -5
Just a slight correction to the OP, but Hangman actually held the belt longer than Jericho (197 days to Jericho's 182). I was surprised too since Jericho's did feel longer, but that could be because it was much better booked.
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Post by agent817 on Aug 11, 2022 11:34:36 GMT -5
For the women's side, well, I could understand why Hikaru Shida held it for that long because she wasn't around as much, and this was at the height of the pandemic. Personally, I would have preferred Shida relinquishing the belt and there being a tournament to determine a new champion. Shida was very much around every week, albeit working through an injury for a bit there. She just didn't get TV time each week. A lot of the frustration toward her booking is because she's been an exceptionally dependable talent as well as being over. Just, wanted to get that out there because it's the only part of the post that I felt was off. Just a slight correction to the OP, but Hangman actually held the belt longer than Jericho (197 days to Jericho's 182). I was surprised too since Jericho's did feel longer, but that could be because it was much better booked. Thanks for the corrections.
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Post by clifford on Aug 11, 2022 12:55:43 GMT -5
Re: Hangman's reign, the issue was that he never felt the focus of the show. When Jericho, Mox, Kenny and now Mox again were world champs, everything else felt like it revolved around their reign. With Hangman, although featured every week, it didn't. Punk was actually the one who got that world champ treatment during Hangman's reign. I honestly thought more should've been made out of that during thier brief feud, but they went a different direction. But, it gives Hangman and AEW something to work on for his next world title reign.
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Post by Facetious on Aug 11, 2022 13:01:18 GMT -5
Re: Hangman's reign, the issue was that he never felt the focus of the show. When Jericho, Mox, Kenny and now Mox again were world champs, everything else felt like it revolved around their reign. With Hangman, although featured every week, it didn't. Punk was actually the one who got that world champ treatment during Hangman's reign. I honestly thought more should've been made out of that during thier brief feud, but they went a different direction. But, it gives Hangman and AEW something to work on for his next world title reign. Pretty much. Hangman's journey to the title was big and had a two year build, then when he won it felt like he faded into the background. The only story he felt like he had was the Cole one that wasn't good and the Punk one.
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Post by Bo Rida on Aug 11, 2022 16:56:16 GMT -5
To me the length of a reign is a byproduct of the more important factors, competition and exclusivity. Ideally you want a combination of both. For a long time I thought the nxt women's division was best because there was strong competition and some big names never got the chance to hold it (Becky, Emma). Same as guys like Jake Roberts not getting a world title in years gone by. Attitude era wasn't as exclusive but the competition at the top was ridiculously strong.
For the men this has mostly worked well, there's a small group of top guys which are basically the champions and Danielson. Crucially they have a massive list of credible challengers and the first person outside of them to win the title will instantly be elevated to that level. Even beating any of them when they're not champion is a big accomplishment.
This hasn't worked as well with the women. The first three champions weren't protected after their reigns and for a long time the competition hasn't been there. With Kris out the division would benefit massively from some hot-shotting between Storm, Hayter and Deeb.
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