Eddie Kingston/Sammy Guevara altercation thread

[Final Countdown Jones]

Aug 26, 2022 18:58:41 GMT -5 Fade said:

In the early days of AEW, I compared Sammy to a young Orton. That if he could keep his head on straight, the world was his. Oy..

He thinks he’s untouchable and man..he really, really isn’t.

Orton was a guy who got the world when he was too young to know how to handle it and he definitely lost the plot a little because of it, but he got himself into shape, and in the end it turned out that some of his antics weren't even his antics, like the famous Nick Dinsmore hotel room situation. Orton eventually got himself right and matured, but importantly, he didn't really burn bridges in his f***-ups in the first place. Sammy here seems like he's already on a lot of shit lists and he may not be able to come out of this as scott free as Orton did.

[Captain Stud Muffin (BLM)]

Aug 26, 2022 21:00:52 GMT -5 Gawk Rivers said:

Aug 26, 2022 19:38:48 GMT -5 markymark said:

You know you are in the mud when Pillman jr out all people tells you to ignore the trolls.

Oh my god this is hilarious 

How did this turn back around into a Sammy pity party 

[Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED!]

Aug 26, 2022 18:48:01 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Honestly they might just be letting Sammy run unchecked because it makes it easier to punish him at this point. Less room for him to argue, "I got assaulted and they suspended / fined / fired me for it!" if he has a multitude of public f***ups running leading up to it.

He's already been given a firm warning about his behavior in public too back in 2020. Not to mention last year he did damage the relationship betwee Impact and AEW by his refusal to do business. At a certain point when does he become more trouble than he's worth?

[khali]

I didn’t pay attention to this story for like a day and boy was it hard to get caught up.

[King Devitt and the Woke Mob]

Aug 26, 2022 21:17:08 GMT -5 khali said:

I didn’t pay attention to this story for like a day and boy was it hard to get caught up.

Right?

I've been reading for like an hour.

Laughing, shaking my head, mentally responding to like two dozen different posts.

My favorite was the hyperbolic "I blame Tony Khan for my soggy cornflakes" or something that made no sense.

It was an hour ago, I started from the beginning, back from before I responded initially. Cut me some slack!
After all here's no wrong way to eat a story...shit...I mean there's only one right way to tell a Reese's.....shit....what did Sammy say again that sounded insincere?

[markymark]

After what went down on Rampage they can suspend Sammy again and let TayJay continuing feud with Ruby(poor Ortiz will end up in catering but it is what it is)

[FHgrad99]

I felt that Sammy Guevara had a chance to be the next Eddie Guerrero but he's blowing it in spectacular fashion.

[Mozenrath]

Aug 26, 2022 22:25:35 GMT -5 FHgrad99 said:

I felt that Sammy Guevara had a chance to be the next Eddie Guerrero but he's blowing it in spectacular fashion.

Which admittedly is a very Eddie Guerrero move.

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Aug 26, 2022 22:25:07 GMT -5 markymark said:

After what went down on Rampage they can suspend Sammy again and let TayJay continuing feud with Ruby(poor Ortiz will end up in catering but it is what it is)

Ortiz can do something with Eddie if they wanna completely move away from JAS, tag title run, find a third for Trios, little reset period

[Lizuka #BLM]

Throwing it out there, I think you could argue that if anything Sammy's the next Mr. Anderson. Quickly pegged as an absolute star and for a long time people believed it, but when given the opportunity to step into the spotlight he just continually drops the ball all while rapidly making people not want to work with him.

[Mozenrath]

Aug 26, 2022 22:50:15 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Throwing it out there, I think you could argue that if anything Sammy's the next Mr. Anderson. Quickly pegged as an absolute star and for a long time people believed it, but when given the opportunity to step into the spotlight he just continually drops the ball all while rapidly making people not want to work with him.

He's considerably more talented in the ring than Anderson ever was.

Maybe I'm soft-hearted, but I think people are being hasty in writing Sammy off like this. I'd like very much if he exercised some wisdom and grew up, but like, I've been a wrestling fan a long time. I've seen a lot of people f*** up, many of them harder, and what separated the people who peaked and burned out and the people who who came back was usually demonstrating humility.

The frustrating thing is, we have seen him be humble, like with the Sasha Banks thing, where he didn't piss and moan or fight it, but took his medicine, went away, and came back. He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop swatting the hornet's nest, though, and to understand that Eddie's trying to help him out here, not hurt him.

[Allie Kitsune]

Aug 26, 2022 22:58:36 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Aug 26, 2022 22:50:15 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Throwing it out there, I think you could argue that if anything Sammy's the next Mr. Anderson. Quickly pegged as an absolute star and for a long time people believed it, but when given the opportunity to step into the spotlight he just continually drops the ball all while rapidly making people not want to work with him.

He's considerably more talented in the ring than Anderson ever was.

Maybe I'm soft-hearted, but I think people are being hasty in writing Sammy off like this. I'd like very much if he exercised some wisdom and grew up, but like, I've been a wrestling fan a long time. I've seen a lot of people f*** up, many of them harder, and what separated the people who peaked and burned out and the people who who came back was usually demonstrating humility.

The frustrating thing is, we have seen him be humble, like with the Sasha Banks thing, where he didn't piss and moan or fight it, but took his medicine, went away, and came back. He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop swatting the hornet's nest, though, and to understand that Eddie's trying to help him out here, not hurt him.

It's a lot harder in the era where peer pressure is more crushing than it's ever been to stick your neck out on behalf of anyone.

Especially since if it blows up in your face and they f*** up again, people are going to put you on the hook for their behavior/transgressions.

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Aug 26, 2022 22:50:15 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Throwing it out there, I think you could argue that if anything Sammy's the next Mr. Anderson. Quickly pegged as an absolute star and for a long time people believed it, but when given the opportunity to step into the spotlight he just continually drops the ball all while rapidly making people not want to work with him.

Should note it's even better when you add the whole "I didn't know I had a problem with anyone, I'm a nice chill guy" when he's asked about heat in interviews lol

[King Devitt and the Woke Mob]

Aug 26, 2022 22:58:36 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

Aug 26, 2022 22:50:15 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Throwing it out there, I think you could argue that if anything Sammy's the next Mr. Anderson. Quickly pegged as an absolute star and for a long time people believed it, but when given the opportunity to step into the spotlight he just continually drops the ball all while rapidly making people not want to work with him.

He's considerably more talented in the ring than Anderson ever was.

Maybe I'm soft-hearted, but I think people are being hasty in writing Sammy off like this. I'd like very much if he exercised some wisdom and grew up, but like, I've been a wrestling fan a long time. I've seen a lot of people f*** up, many of them harder, and what separated the people who peaked and burned out and the people who who came back was usually demonstrating humility.

The frustrating thing is, we have seen him be humble, like with the Sasha Banks thing, where he didn't piss and moan or fight it, but took his medicine, went away, and came back. He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop swatting the hornet's nest, though, and to understand that Eddie's trying to help him out here, not hurt him.

See, I would argue that Sammy's never really been genuinely humble.

The Sasha Banks thing, he HAD to go to the route he did, because that shit was career ending. He doubles down on that he's getting Marty Scurll'd out of wrestling.

Everything before, and after that has always been him being the cocky, selfish, arrogant asshole he's always been. Because I genuinely believe that's who he is.

I followed his vlogs for a bit before he hit big in AEW, and he had people in the comments section even back then (much smaller than it is today) calling him a legit sociopath.
And as time went on I started to see it myself.

Between his seemingly narcissistic tendencies, and an utter lack of real empathy I have to wonder about the dude.

He's ALWAYS been this guy. There've been stories about him on the indies before he got big. There are stories after he came to AEW.
He was just lucky enough to have Cody vouch for him, then Jericho take him under his wing.

In the end I think he's kind of a POS human being from what I've seen following him for so many years, like...the closest association I can make is that he's a real life MJF.
Spoiled. Entitled. Arrogant. Lacks the humanism to actually feel bad for anything, because that's not how he's wired. Etc.

[Deleted]

Eddie at this point HAS to be like "Shut up, bitch boy, I'm trying to spin this into some money eventually"

[Allie Kitsune]

Aug 26, 2022 23:30:20 GMT -5 King Devitt and the Woke Mob said:

Aug 26, 2022 22:58:36 GMT -5 Mozenrath said:

He's considerably more talented in the ring than Anderson ever was.

Maybe I'm soft-hearted, but I think people are being hasty in writing Sammy off like this. I'd like very much if he exercised some wisdom and grew up, but like, I've been a wrestling fan a long time. I've seen a lot of people f*** up, many of them harder, and what separated the people who peaked and burned out and the people who who came back was usually demonstrating humility.

The frustrating thing is, we have seen him be humble, like with the Sasha Banks thing, where he didn't piss and moan or fight it, but took his medicine, went away, and came back. He needs to get his head out of his ass and stop swatting the hornet's nest, though, and to understand that Eddie's trying to help him out here, not hurt him.

See, I would argue that Sammy's never really been genuinely humble.

The Sasha Banks thing, he HAD to go to the route he did, because that shit was career ending. He doubles down on that he's getting Marty Scurll'd out of wrestling.

Everything before, and after that has always been him being the cocky, selfish, arrogant asshole he's always been. Because I genuinely believe that's who he is.

I followed his vlogs for a bit before he hit big in AEW, and he had people in the comments section even back then (much smaller than it is today) calling him a legit sociopath.
And as time went on I started to see it myself.

Between his seemingly narcissistic tendencies, and an utter lack of real empathy I have to wonder about the dude.

He's ALWAYS been this guy. There've been stories about him on the indies before he got big. There are stories after he came to AEW.
He was just lucky enough to have Cody vouch for him, then Jericho take him under his wing.

In the end I think he's kind of a POS human being from what I've seen following him for so many years, like...the closest association I can make is that he's a real life MJF.
Spoiled. Entitled. Arrogant. Lacks the humanism to actually feel bad for anything, because that's not how he's wired. Etc.

I know this is third-hand anecdotal shit, but a friend of mine who goes to a lot of Texas indie shows constantly tells me that nobody has anything good to say about Sammy.

Like, I _really_ don't like writing people off forever. Even when it makes other people look at me poorly. But even I don't know what it'd take for Sammy to grow beyond being a braindead POS at this point.

[The Captain]

The best thing I can say about Sammy is that he has a very cute cat.

[Final Countdown Jones]

Aug 26, 2022 23:37:23 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I know this is third-hand anecdotal shit, but a friend of mine who goes to a lot of Texas indie shows constantly tells me that nobody has anything good to say about Sammy.

Like, I _really_ don't like writing people off forever. Even when it makes other people look at me poorly. But even I don't know what it'd take for Sammy to grow beyond being a braindead POS at this point.

To grow at all is I guess the start here. There's no reason the door should be closed forever on him over this stuff since Sasha Banks comment aside it's all pretty mild shitty coworker stuff. But he has to actually care about growing and his biggest obstacle isn't going to be getting forgiveness, it's going to be proving he can even work toward it in the first place. That's going to be step one, and if he can't pass that step then he'll end up one of the junk bin problem children of the business whose talent ends up being all for naught and who gets looked at like a cautionary tale. Some people grow and mature out of that status. Hell, he's beefing right now with Eddie, who has absolutely grown leaps and bounds compared to his old days even in this situation, and definitely in his aftermath response. Some are Austin Aries. Sammy really doesn't wanna be an Austin Aries, because being Austin Aries wasn't enough to save him from himself when his talents were a rarer and more exciting thing few possessed. Imagine how bad being Houston's third best Austin Aries tribute band will fare in an environment bursting at the seams with guys as talented and with way less baggage.

He can fix this easily, and the distressing possibility right now is that he probably won't.

[government mule]

Only thing I have to contribute is that Sammy is nearly 30!? I thought there was no f***ing chance he's finished school yet.

[Allie Kitsune]

Aug 27, 2022 0:15:55 GMT -5 Final Countdown Jones said:

Aug 26, 2022 23:37:23 GMT -5 Allie Kitsune said:

I know this is third-hand anecdotal shit, but a friend of mine who goes to a lot of Texas indie shows constantly tells me that nobody has anything good to say about Sammy.

Like, I _really_ don't like writing people off forever. Even when it makes other people look at me poorly. But even I don't know what it'd take for Sammy to grow beyond being a braindead POS at this point.

To grow at all is I guess the start here. There's no reason the door should be closed forever on him over this stuff since Sasha Banks comment aside it's all pretty mild shitty coworker stuff. But he has to actually care about growing and his biggest obstacle isn't going to be getting forgiveness, it's going to be proving he can even work toward it in the first place. That's going to be step one, and if he can't pass that step then he'll end up one of the junk bin problem children of the business whose talent ends up being all for naught and who gets looked at like a cautionary tale. Some people grow and mature out of that status. Hell, he's beefing right now with Eddie, who has absolutely grown leaps and bounds compared to his old days even in this situation, and definitely in his aftermath response. Some are Austin Aries. Sammy really doesn't wanna be an Austin Aries, because being Austin Aries wasn't enough to save him from himself when his talents were a rarer and more exciting thing few possessed. Imagine how bad being Houston's third best Austin Aries tribute band will fare in an environment bursting at the seams with guys as talented and with way less baggage.

He can fix this easily, and the distressing possibility right now is that he probably won't.

Like, the thing is, I kind of get the impression that Sammy _doesn't know how_ and won't unless someone pull him aside and is all "Listen up, dumbass. I'm not calling you this to shit on you, but to get your attention. This is what you're doing wrong, conduct-wise, and this is how to fix it." (Especially when it comes to social media), he's just going to keep tripping over his own dick.

That said, nobody's obligated to help him do that.