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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Sept 3, 2022 16:13:34 GMT -5
I get the hate for this, but all the same I really think whoever defeats Roman should be someone who has never won a world championship before. Cody Exactly. There's no other way this goes. Honestly, I feel like that's the ONLY reason Drew lost: the endgame was Cody before he got hurt, it was still Cody before Vince got the boot, and unless something drastic happens it's always gonna be Cody. And keeping Roman seemingly impervious to anything only for the endgame to finally hit him is clearly what the plan is.
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Post by Finish Uncle Muffin’s Story on Sept 3, 2022 16:14:13 GMT -5
You get one shot at pinning Roman for the first time in 3 years.
If they went the Theory gets pinned route, that honestly doesn't do as much for Drew. Roman gets to say he has a claim for a rematch and then he probably has to win that.
If Cody's coming back and the plan is genuinely Cody/Roman and they think Cody's worth the investment, then I get the decision.
Drew beating Roman straight up and then losing to Seth or something in a few months kind of feels like a letdown, too? And then Roman is less of a threat, IMO.
I don't know. I'm genuinely conflicted as opposed to outright mad, but I get people who are mad. I just tend to think Drew will get a good Mania moment and Roman will lose.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2022 16:15:59 GMT -5
Just pass it around the Bloodline until they all retire. Main Event Jey wins it. Roman goes through a story where he’s now Uso bitch, then Jimmy wins it, then eventually Solo and it all circles back to Roman reclaiming the head of the table 4 years down the line then we can recreate this whole run again!!! Jey: I ain't nobodies bitch Roman: Yes you are Jey: Yes sir
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Sept 3, 2022 16:18:09 GMT -5
You get one shot at pinning Roman for the first time in 3 years. If they went the Theory gets pinned route, that honestly doesn't do as much for Drew. Roman gets to say he has a claim for a rematch and then he probably has to win that. If Cody's coming back and the plan is genuinely Cody/Roman and they think Cody's worth the investment, then I get the decision. Drew beating Roman straight up and then losing to Seth or something in a few months kind of feels like a letdown, too? And then Roman is less of a threat, IMO. I don't know. I'm genuinely conflicted as opposed to outright mad, but I get people who are mad. I just tend to think Drew will get a good Mania moment and Roman will lose. I mean, I've been 100% a Reigns fan since the day he and Seth and Jon stepped out of the crowd and wreaked havoc on that night in November almost ten years ago. I'm never gonna be upset about any success he's booked to have. I wouldn't have complained about Drew winning tonight either and when Roman finally does lose I still won't complain.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2022 16:19:14 GMT -5
Exactly. There's no other way this goes. Honestly, I feel like that's the ONLY reason Drew lost: the endgame was Cody before he got hurt, it was still Cody before Vince got the boot, and unless something drastic happens it's always gonna be Cody. And keeping Roman seemingly impervious to anything only for the endgame to finally hit him is clearly what the plan is. Yeah, while I don't think Roman needs an 800 day run for Cody to be triumphant, they could been flexible but this is what happens when you have a concrete plan and don't want to sway from it Marvelous for Cody cause he should be in line to get a life changing moment at Mania but going suck for everyone else except maybe Seth. They do need separate the titles as this would been perfect for Drew to win here if they did that
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 3, 2022 16:19:36 GMT -5
I think WWE has shot itself in the foot with this one. WWE could have dined out on the goodwill and crowd reactions from this title change for years. Honestly, if the plan was always to keep the title on Roman, I don't think they should have done the match. Let someone else take the fall and give "hometown hero" Drew a big win somewhere else. There's the heat that makes you want to see a champion lose, and there's the heat that makes you not trust a company again. For many in the audience (and some watching at home) this was probably the latter of those.
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Post by canceled4truth on Sept 3, 2022 16:21:17 GMT -5
When you realize you're never beating the Jannetty allegations
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Post by Chiral on Sept 3, 2022 18:52:46 GMT -5
Me: "I'll get over it I won't let this bum me out as much as past booking decisions I disagreed with" Me five seconds later: "they gave him broken dreams and in front of that crowd they had him LOSE AND LOSE BECAUSE OF F***ING SOLO SIKOA?!?!?!?"
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 3, 2022 19:07:16 GMT -5
I'll say it again... Drew carried the friggen company on his back during the pandemic era and they congratulated him by continously making him look like shit.
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Sept 3, 2022 19:11:05 GMT -5
Not sure if it's the freshness my disillusionment, so forgive the hyperbole (especially as I've only started watching again in the last 5 weeks) but tonight's outcome legit feels like all-time dropped ball.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 3, 2022 19:11:14 GMT -5
Exactly. There's no other way this goes. Honestly, I feel like that's the ONLY reason Drew lost: the endgame was Cody before he got hurt, it was still Cody before Vince got the boot, and unless something drastic happens it's always gonna be Cody. And keeping Roman seemingly impervious to anything only for the endgame to finally hit him is clearly what the plan is. Yeah, while I don't think Roman needs an 800 day run for Cody to be triumphant, they could been flexible but this is what happens when you have a concrete plan and don't want to sway from it Marvelous for Cody cause he should be in line to get a life changing moment at Mania but going suck for everyone else except maybe Seth. They do need separate the titles as this would been perfect for Drew to win here if they did that hell have Drew win here go for both belts and have Heyman pull an actually this match was only scheduled for the Universal championship... or something if you needed to end with infinite heat...
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2022 19:18:24 GMT -5
Yeah, while I don't think Roman needs an 800 day run for Cody to be triumphant, they could been flexible but this is what happens when you have a concrete plan and don't want to sway from it Marvelous for Cody cause he should be in line to get a life changing moment at Mania but going suck for everyone else except maybe Seth. They do need separate the titles as this would been perfect for Drew to win here if they did that hell have Drew win here go for both belts and have Heyman pull an actually this match was only scheduled for the Universal championship... or something if you needed to end with infinite heat... Right Roman does not need both belts. Hell, you could did 2 out of 3 falls to salvage the situation. Roman has been 2 year champ with the Universal title, he can lose the WWE title and still keep the streak intact if you want to give someone that rub. This just feels like a very old school mindset of he can't lose until he has to lose which like I said will be all time great for someone like Cody Rhodes but sucks for everyone else It is a holding pattern and shit is on hold until Mania most likely
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 19:21:38 GMT -5
I get that it's a game of chicken where you want to find the perfect point of taking the title off Roman, but man it reminds me so much of every story I ever heard about The Sheikh killing the Detroit territory slowly over time by being the heel who wouldn't lose.
Hunter COULD have used this to do a good kind of swerve against audience expectations, and given a real SummerSlam 92 kind of moment.
He COULD have used his goodwill as being anything but Vince to try to bring back some of us who got so tired of the booking the past few years have been.
But... no. The in-ring is better than it used to be. The commentators are sounding like human beings again. Those are all great things.
The rest is just the same old shit, though. I'm disappointed, too, because the 6 man with Sheamus ruled.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 3, 2022 19:25:04 GMT -5
And while Hunter wasn't the one who booked this long reign, he does love his long reigns as well
He damn sure wouldn't have took the title off Asuka unless he had to
If I had to guess, Hunter is going to book Roman in a way which leads to his satisfying ending which is probably same one Vince had which is Cody at some point but they need to get rid of the double champion handcuffs
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Post by Fake Jesus on Sept 3, 2022 19:31:39 GMT -5
You could have Roman drop it to Drew and win again at the next PPV with Uso #3. The numbers game is too much. Then when Cody returns you can do some interesting shit with him and McIntyre as former tag partners and allies against Roman whose end goal is a fair playing field for a WM main event triple threat. It could even show how Danielson or Edge could have won if their egos hadn't been there first. Real moral lesson out the wazoo. But wrestling bookers, who have basically no idea how to tell a satisfying narrative, love empty stats like that 9000 day reign.
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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Sept 3, 2022 19:32:17 GMT -5
And while Hunter wasn't the one who booked this long reign, he does love his long reigns as well He damn sure wouldn't have took the title off Asuka unless he had to If I had to guess, Hunter is going to book Roman in a way which leads to his satisfying ending which is probably same one Vince had which is Cody at some point but they need to get rid of the double champion handcuffs not to mention the handcuffs of waiting for Mania to make literally anything important happen.
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Sept 3, 2022 19:33:21 GMT -5
Not sure if it's the freshness my disillusionment, so forgive the hyperbole (especially as I've only started watching again in the last 5 weeks) but tonight's outcome legit feels like all-time dropped ball. It is, imagine if it was British Bulldog vs Mr. Perfect for the IC title at Summerslam 92 and Perfect retained because of the usual interference. Nobody is going to be happy with that and it honestly feels like it was done out of spite.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 19:50:16 GMT -5
Got to make Roman look strong so Papa H's OC can win the titles at Wrestlemania. As for Cody, he never going to win the titles now. He was a Vince hired and Triple H is still butthurt that his e-fed lost to AEW. Giving Cody role in the rise of AEW, I can't see Triple H ego giving the titles to someone that made him look weak.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2022 19:50:26 GMT -5
Not sure if it's the freshness my disillusionment, so forgive the hyperbole (especially as I've only started watching again in the last 5 weeks) but tonight's outcome legit feels like all-time dropped ball. it is. we all got so used to saying hyperbole and everything, i get it, but this is an all time f***ing stupid move that will haunt them if everything with cody isn't literally perfect even then, even if stuff ends up perfect with cody, they really ruined something
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Post by hashtagdaley/JudasDay on Sept 3, 2022 20:09:22 GMT -5
Not sure if it's the freshness my disillusionment, so forgive the hyperbole (especially as I've only started watching again in the last 5 weeks) but tonight's outcome legit feels like all-time dropped ball. it is. we all got so used to saying hyperbole and everything, i get it, but this is an all time f***ing stupid move that will haunt them if everything with cody isn't literally perfect even then, even if stuff ends up perfect with cody, they really ruined something HHH had an all-timer of a MOMENT fall directly into his lap, and he spit on it. One of the biggest dropped balls ever.
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