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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 4, 2022 15:09:32 GMT -5
Honestly, forget who's left... the real question is who gives a shit anymore? I know I'm nobody, but this is the first WWE show in literal years I sat down to watch. I've been hearing about how things are so much better now with Hunter in control, and the stories are better, and it's rainbows and sunshine etc. Nope, it's the same bullshit booking it's been for a decade plus now, just with better wrestling and commentary. Yeah, who's left? The audience left. Noone cares anymore. I don’t think that’s right. Lol. Like I know a lot of people here are beyond done with it but for live audiences? Roman is hotter than ever |
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 4, 2022 15:26:34 GMT -5
Yeah, who's left? The audience left. Noone cares anymore. I don’t think that’s right. Lol. Like I know a lot of people here are beyond done with it but for live audiences? Roman is hotter than ever then again, the nWo was hot with live crowds, even as there were thoughts that their dominance was running too long. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 4, 2022 15:31:21 GMT -5
I don’t think that’s right. Lol. Like I know a lot of people here are beyond done with it but for live audiences? Roman is hotter than ever then again, the nWo was hot with live crowds, even as there were thoughts that their dominance was running too long. Oh very true but they aren’t talking about doing a Bloodline only show. Lol |
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Post by ChitownKnight on Sept 4, 2022 18:13:37 GMT -5
Roman vs Seth has to happen at Survivor Series for the 10 year anniversary of their debut. Lashley at Day 1 and or the Rumble and then drop it to Cody at mania
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2022 19:17:28 GMT -5
Roman vs Seth has to happen at Survivor Series for the 10 year anniversary of their debut. Lashley at Day 1 and or the Rumble and then drop it to Cody at mania You just can't do a Shield 10 year anniversary match without its best member, Kurt Angle. |
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 4, 2022 19:22:30 GMT -5
Roman vs Seth has to happen at Survivor Series for the 10 year anniversary of their debut. Lashley at Day 1 and or the Rumble and then drop it to Cody at mania You just can't do a Shield 10 year anniversary match without its best member, Jason Jordan, the son of Kurt Angle. |
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Post by Citizen Snips on Sept 4, 2022 19:28:32 GMT -5
Killer Kross has literally been the most built up next challenger for Roman and like not a single person has mentioned him besides me right now that's hilarious Killer Kelly has a better chance and she's not even in WWE! Hell, I’d prefer “Killer” Kal Rudman and he passed away last year. |
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Post by Mike Strike on Sept 4, 2022 19:35:57 GMT -5
Imagine how ****ed this WWE would be by their own booking if Cody hadn't jumped ship.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2022 20:47:20 GMT -5
I honestly legit think even if Cody does return to win the Rumble and have the big triumphant hero run at the belt, Roman's winning.
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Post by Nosnorb on Sept 4, 2022 21:50:26 GMT -5
I honestly legit think even if Cody does return to win the Rumble and have the big triumphant hero run at the belt, Roman's winning. ADRENALINE,
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 4, 2022 22:08:50 GMT -5
Not at all. f*** it’s kind of a bummer Dustin is still signed to AEW because can you imagine Dustin running off the Usos and Solo during the match I've been saying it for months, but they need to have a title challenger just Nancy Kerrigan the Usos in the buildup to their title match, and just say "try super kicking me now" That, or you do something like cut to the back to show the challenger parked a forklift in front of the door or something. |
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Sept 4, 2022 22:10:57 GMT -5
I honestly legit think even if Cody does return to win the Rumble and have the big triumphant hero run at the belt, Roman's winning. ADRENALINE,
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Post by Rolent Tex on Sept 5, 2022 1:17:46 GMT -5
I’m not even sure why we need to build to Rock vs Roman now that old man Vince kicked rocks. Has Roman even given Rock a reason to have beef in the family? Now that all of the family on the roster seems to be a cohesive unit I say let Rock make it seem like he’s against Roman but run in and help deliver him a win. Let Hollywood Rock join the Bloodline and be their connection to the big time. He’ll eventually turn on Roman at Mania to help give Cody his big win but it gets us out of that match.
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Post by celtics543 on Sept 5, 2022 7:12:46 GMT -5
Obviously Dustin is in AEW so he can't be a part of it but could they use the Goldust character as part of it? Like the Uso's are found knocked out in the back and both have blonde wigs stuffed on their heads? Something to allude to Goldust helping Cody out even though Dustin is with another company.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 5, 2022 13:28:44 GMT -5
As always, prefacing this with the fact that I don't really watch WWE and could well be wrong or missing important context, as I'm going by things I've read/heard/etc.
But this thread gets at something we've discussed before: if you're going to have a super long world title reign on a show that has regular cards that most of your fanbase has or is at least capable of watching, meaning NOT the 60s-80s format where most title defenses happened at house shows, then you really need to ensure that the matches and/or feuds involved in that reign serve more of a purpose than just "wow, the champ sure did win again, didn't he/she?"
There's certainly a place for that, as it can be good to establish your champ as dominant, but any lengthy reign runs the risk of making the losing challengers look bad, if the matches aren't being done with an intent behind them.
I'll always go back to Samoa Joe's ROH title reign and point out that while Joe was dominant early on, it wasn't long before they adjusted things so that there were more stories involved, e.g. Joe trying to prove he could be just as dominant a tag wrestler as a singles champ and falling short against the Briscoes, or the story of how it seemed Joe was doomed to eventually lose to a flash pin/small package that ended up getting subverted, or how a challenger like CM Punk tried to "expose" Joe by making him wrestle a longer match, only for Joe to survive two 60 minute matches, etc.
I'll go to Okada's big IWGP title reign where he set the record for the most defenses, and how they'd play up the way most of his challengers brought a different specific talent or ability to the table, and how the story was how Okada would survive that and force them to wrestle "his" match. The end result was typically that his challengers still looked like killers (e.g. Shibata was still the king of strikes, Suzuki was still a sadistic submission master, Sabre was still a constant threat if he so much as got one hand on an exposed limb, etc.), and in most cases they'd come out looking strong in spite of losing. Shit, losing to Okada is a big part of what cemented Kenny Omega as a globally recognized name.
Judging by the way people talk about Roman's run it just doesn't sound like they've done a good job of that. It'd be one thing if people were simply having trouble imagining who could actually beat the guy; that's actually some good booking when you pull it off, most of the time. But it's another when people lose to him and you feel they've lost credibility. I'm sure that's hard to avoid sometimes, but as much as you can help it that just should not be the case when you've built a guy up as your dominant ace champion.
Put more succinctly, I think people would be much cooler with Roman's run on top if it felt like there was an overarching narrative to the matches he was having, something that could create the idea in your head "Oh, he survived A, B, and C, but he clearly had trouble adjusting to D, which means Future Opponent X, who's good at D, might be able to exploit it to their advantage", or something along those lines. It build greater anticipation when you can imagine how the champion might lose, even if deep down you're sure they'll win.
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Post by Gus Richlen: Ruffian on Sept 5, 2022 22:06:46 GMT -5
Well, judging from tonight the answer may include Braun.
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 5, 2022 22:14:32 GMT -5
Well, judging from tonight the answer may include Braun. I'll allow it if they do a segment on Friday where Braun shoulderchecks Roman backstage while screaming "I'M STILL NOT FINISHED WITH YOU, BITCH!" |
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Post by Vincent Whiney on Sept 6, 2022 9:11:30 GMT -5
Omos goes all monster manhandles the Undertaker on Roman
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Post by wildojinx on Sept 8, 2022 18:58:29 GMT -5
I honestly legit think even if Cody does return to win the Rumble and have the big triumphant hero run at the belt, Roman's winning. ADRENALINE,
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