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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Sept 8, 2022 13:21:44 GMT -5
Moxley's rallying the troops promo did a lot to set the mood of the show. Outside of no Elite, it definitely felt like more of the kind of show that made me interested in the promotion from Day One than the weirdness of the last couple of months. Yeah, I watched this too and I was like “This is what I think people wanted from this promotion from the jump, a seemingly even split between newish wrestlers getting their dues on a national-level promotion and wrestlers revitalising themselves after New York”.
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 8, 2022 13:23:09 GMT -5
Yeah, it showed what it might look like when AEW actually rotates talent.
Bucks, Punk, and Kenny don’t need to be getting 20 minutes each week when they return. Dynamite, as it is, doesn’t have that much time to spare.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 13:25:40 GMT -5
While there is nothing inherently wrong with getting the best talent you can for your roster, I admit I started to grow weary of the "Black and Gold 2.0" feeling that AEW was starting to take on.
Yeah, AEW had guys who'd obviously been in WWE beforehand, like Mox and Jericho, but on the whole, AEW was fantastic at introducing the world to talent that hadn't been anywhere major in the US previously, such as: The Best Friends, Orange Cassidy, The Lucha Brothers, Darby Allin, MJF, Jungle Boy, Hikaru Shida, etc.
It was still a good show, don't get me wrong, but I was starting to feel like Tony stopped respecting the young and unknown guys who busted their ass to make a name for themsleves at the expense of Hunter's lost toys, you know?
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Post by polarbearpete on Sept 8, 2022 13:53:01 GMT -5
Agreed 100%. It had that alternative feel to it again, which I think it had been missing for a while. Love to see more of the non-WWE/NXT guys sprinkled in with the legends.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2022 13:55:04 GMT -5
This is true, and it helps that there's actually a lot of visible movement right now. The Acclaimed hit a high level far faster than anyone predicted. Swerve popped up tonight looking like he owns the place already. Hobbs came out of All Out looking like a world-beater. Daniel Garcia and Wheeler Yuta just had a good main event match. (I missed the Stokely segment tonight, so I'll have to wait til a Youtube video goes up to see what's going on there.) A night lacking so many of the "mandatory Dynamite appearance" tier of wrestlers and a few well-chosen pushes are doing a lot to make the future look bright, once all the nonsense and chaos got perfunctorily settled. Swerve absolutely stood out to me (as he has). Drop those titles to the Acclaimed, have Swerve turn on Lee and push him as one of your top dastardly heels. We finally get a face singles Keith Lee in AEW, out of it too. Swerve needs to be champ sometime next year.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 8, 2022 13:56:57 GMT -5
Yeah, it showed what it might look like when AEW actually rotates talent. Bucks, Punk, and Kenny don’t need to be getting 20 minutes each week when they return. Dynamite, as it is, doesn’t have that much time to spare. I am a huge fan of the elite, but I don't think they should have a hand in booking themselves. While I want to see them wrestle, I don't want to see their convoluted entrance with 20 of their friends, for a promo segment that does lead to anything. The last year has just been them hanging around with the Undisputed Era, not doing anything of meaning until like 3 weeks ago. Is Nakazawa there only to entertain Kenny? What exactly is the point of their giant entourage?
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 8, 2022 13:58:01 GMT -5
Swerve absolutely stood out to me (as he has). Drop those titles to the Acclaimed, have Swerve turn on Lee and push him as one of your top dastardly heels. We finally get a face singles Keith Lee in AEW, out of it too. Swerve needs to be champ sometime next year. He's been great and i think getting away from Hit Row may be the best thing that will ever happen in his career
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Post by Abdullah on Sept 8, 2022 14:03:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it showed what it might look like when AEW actually rotates talent. Bucks, Punk, and Kenny don’t need to be getting 20 minutes each week when they return. Dynamite, as it is, doesn’t have that much time to spare. I am a huge fan of the elite, but I don’t think they should have a hand in booking themselves. While I want to see them wrestle, I don’t want to see their convoluted entrance with 20 of their friends, for a promo segment that does lead to anything. The last year has just been them hanging around with the Undisputed Era, not doing anything of meaning until like 3 weeks ago. Is Nakazawa there only to entertain Kenny? What exactly is the point of their giant entourage? Man, teasing the Undisputed Era feud era for months when everyone was healthy and then quietly letting go of Bobby Fish. What a waste of time that was. Like, the tension never even advanced beyond ‘they mostly don’t like each other but they’ll work together.’
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Post by Fade on Sept 8, 2022 14:11:23 GMT -5
i think having so many big names coming in relatively close to each other (punk, danielson, cole) made tony feel he needed to get his money's worth out of them and so they started popping up all the time (outside of injuries) especially with cody leaving (bit hazy on the timelines but i think it was all within a few months of each other). so that pushed aside the natural grown people, swerve and keith lee to a lesser extent on their arrival so it seemed to be an ex-wwe/nxt focus on the top of the card when you added jericho and mox to the mix. now with an openning at the top of the card it's time for the people pushed back a step to show they are ready to carry the ball themselves. 100 %. I still think what started leading things astray was Tony securing Danielson, Punk and Cole (plus all the other signings). Like you referenced, the “natural” development of the roster seemed to shift. Swerve absolutely stood out to me (as he has). Drop those titles to the Acclaimed, have Swerve turn on Lee and push him as one of your top dastardly heels. We finally get a face singles Keith Lee in AEW, out of it too. Swerve needs to be champ sometime next year. A month ago, I would have said “..there’s too many ppl..” Now? It’s possible.
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Post by Cyno on Sept 8, 2022 14:32:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it showed what it might look like when AEW actually rotates talent. Bucks, Punk, and Kenny don’t need to be getting 20 minutes each week when they return. Dynamite, as it is, doesn’t have that much time to spare. I am a huge fan of the elite, but I don't think they should have a hand in booking themselves. While I want to see them wrestle, I don't want to see their convoluted entrance with 20 of their friends, for a promo segment that does lead to anything. The last year has just been them hanging around with the Undisputed Era, not doing anything of meaning until like 3 weeks ago. Is Nakazawa there only to entertain Kenny? What exactly is the point of their giant entourage? Nakazawa is their liason to Japan and I think he works as an interpreter for some of the Japanese talent that don't speak/understand English that well. He's like Leva and Cutler where their primary job is behind the scenes while doing the job as a talent.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 8, 2022 15:44:05 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of the elite, but I don't think they should have a hand in booking themselves. While I want to see them wrestle, I don't want to see their convoluted entrance with 20 of their friends, for a promo segment that does lead to anything. The last year has just been them hanging around with the Undisputed Era, not doing anything of meaning until like 3 weeks ago. Is Nakazawa there only to entertain Kenny? What exactly is the point of their giant entourage? Nakazawa is their liason to Japan and I think he works as an interpreter for some of the Japanese talent that don't speak/understand English that well. He's like Leva and Cutler where their primary job is behind the scenes while doing the job as a talent. I am not saying fire him, it just seems self serving to put him on TV if he's not really a character that has any storylines. Bucks did the same with Gallows and Anderson.
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Post by LiamMcDuggle on Sept 8, 2022 15:46:25 GMT -5
I am a huge fan of the elite, but I don’t think they should have a hand in booking themselves. While I want to see them wrestle, I don’t want to see their convoluted entrance with 20 of their friends, for a promo segment that does lead to anything. The last year has just been them hanging around with the Undisputed Era, not doing anything of meaning until like 3 weeks ago. Is Nakazawa there only to entertain Kenny? What exactly is the point of their giant entourage? Man, teasing the Undisputed Era feud era for months when everyone was healthy and then quietly letting go of Bobby Fish. What a waste of time that was. Like, the tension never even advanced beyond ‘they mostly don’t like each other but they’ll work together.’ It just went on and on forever. They seemed to care more about being with their friends than telling a good story. Gallows and Anderson also followed them around for a year, which again led to nothing. I REALLY like seeing the Bucks work, I just REALLY don't care about their friends.
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Post by Kalmia on Sept 8, 2022 15:54:50 GMT -5
I think AEW suffered from too many new names too closely together.
I don't know if anyone here bakes, but often when you add wet ingredients to dry ones, you have to do it slow and steady or everything gets mixed up. The influx of Punk, Danielson, Cole, and half of NXT was the equivalent of just dumping in all of the liquid in one go. None of the signings were wrong, they just unbalanced the show.
Last night's show seemed a better balance of talent. There were still new(ish) guys that made their names elsewhere, but they felt like natural parts of the roster more. When Swerve interrupted the Acclaimed, he felt like he'd been in AEW forever instead of just a few months. Bookending the show with matches between wrestlers that (apart from Pac) entered mainstream American wrestling in AEW helped, too.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 8, 2022 16:02:22 GMT -5
Man, teasing the Undisputed Era feud era for months when everyone was healthy and then quietly letting go of Bobby Fish. What a waste of time that was. Like, the tension never even advanced beyond ‘they mostly don’t like each other but they’ll work together.’ It just went on and on forever. They seemed to care more about being with their friends than telling a good story. Gallows and Anderson also followed them around for a year, which again led to nothing. I REALLY like seeing the Bucks work, I just REALLY don't care about their friends. I think that kind of was the point: they’d turned heel and played up having a big entourage. Plus having the Good Brothers there was at least partially also about getting some chances to plug Impact while they had a relationship going. I think the simple reality is that the bloodletting that was the pandemic era WWE roster cuts just created too tempting a scenario for Khan: he had his pick of the best talent on the free agent market and brought a ton of them in. Doing so created an “anyone could show up!” vibe and played up AEW as the place to be, and combined with getting Punk back and Danielson deciding to make the jump, it’s hard to deny the allure and profit that would bring. But it did come at the expense of having a more focused show; the roster got so big, so filled with potential main eventers, that balancing all the jugglers balls in the air at once became a tough game. AEW was still putting on good to great shows, but that feeling that things weren’t quite as zeroed in as they were before the signing spree did stick out. Now the roster is still large, but they did feel more focused last night, so we’ll see where that all goes. They’ve lost a few people (Malakai to his need for time off, Undisputed Era to injuries, Elite to a suspension, Punk probably for good), but a lot of them were big names whose absence opens up some big chances for others.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 8, 2022 17:34:15 GMT -5
I actually felt that about All Out until Punk set it on fire
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Post by sunnytaker on Sept 9, 2022 6:36:03 GMT -5
Nakazawa is their liason to Japan and I think he works as an interpreter for some of the Japanese talent that don't speak/understand English that well. He's like Leva and Cutler where their primary job is behind the scenes while doing the job as a talent. I am not saying fire him, it just seems self serving to put him on TV if he's not really a character that has any storylines. Bucks did the same with Gallows and Anderson. well nakazawa is also there to take the beating from whoever kenny is feuding with to avoid kenny having to interact with the other person before the big match/when kenny has the numbers in his favor. other person lays out naka, kenny is running up the ramp and the other person has failed again to get their hands on him. that's pretty much nakazawa's role. but they can;t make it too obvious by only having naka come out when he's going to be beaten down so they bring him along regularly to keep people guessing.
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Post by clifford on Sept 9, 2022 6:58:50 GMT -5
Swerve absolutely stood out to me (as he has). Drop those titles to the Acclaimed, have Swerve turn on Lee and push him as one of your top dastardly heels. We finally get a face singles Keith Lee in AEW, out of it too. Swerve needs to be champ sometime next year. 100%. I'd like to think/hope that AEW have a plan for who they see as the top tier of male talent in the company 5 years from now when Jericho is gone, Punk is gone, Danielson is probably back in WWE, Kenny and the Bucks being probably done or at the most part-time, and Mox potentially winding down too. In my eyes that list as it stands would be Hangman, MJF, Ricky Starks and Swerve, with Darby, Wardlow, and Hobbs very close behind them. Adam Cole too but I feel they need to breathe some new life into the dude, and he could be back with Hunter by that time too.
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Post by CeilingFan on Sept 9, 2022 7:20:23 GMT -5
Swerve needs to be champ sometime next year. 100%. I'd like to think/hope that AEW have a plan for who they see as the top tier of male talent in the company 5 years from now when Jericho is gone, Punk is gone, Danielson is probably back in WWE, Kenny and the Bucks being probably done or at the most part-time, and Mox potentially winding down too. In my eyes that list as it stands would be Hangman, MJF, Ricky Starks and Swerve, with Darby, Wardlow, and Hobbs very close behind them. Adam Cole too but I feel they need to breathe some new life into the dude, and he could be back with Hunter by that time too. You forgot Hook.
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Post by clifford on Sept 9, 2022 7:25:38 GMT -5
100%. I'd like to think/hope that AEW have a plan for who they see as the top tier of male talent in the company 5 years from now when Jericho is gone, Punk is gone, Danielson is probably back in WWE, Kenny and the Bucks being probably done or at the most part-time, and Mox potentially winding down too. In my eyes that list as it stands would be Hangman, MJF, Ricky Starks and Swerve, with Darby, Wardlow, and Hobbs very close behind them. Adam Cole too but I feel they need to breathe some new life into the dude, and he could be back with Hunter by that time too. You forgot Hook. Hook's an even longer project for AEW I would think. They are (correctly) being very deliberate and measured when it comes to him. Hook, Garcia, Wheeler, Dante Martin, Lee Moriarty; I think these dudes will all be in the running for top of the card; 5 years may be too soon for them, considering the talent ahead of them even now.
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Post by HMARK Center on Sept 9, 2022 7:45:11 GMT -5
Hook's an even longer project for AEW I would think. They are (correctly) being very deliberate and measured when it comes to him. Hook, Garcia, Wheeler, Dante Martin, Lee Moriarty; I think these dudes will all be in the running for top of the card; 5 years may be too soon for them, considering the talent ahead of them even now. Yeah, I think a lot of people lose sight of the fact that AEW probably has aims of having some of these guys on the roster for over a decade, if they can. There'll always be some younger/newer/fresher guys you'll want to push towards the main event pretty quickly, but they're the exception, not the rule; most of the time you want to slow burn it, let them grow over time, and not put them in a spot they might not be ready for...or, honestly, not push them to the top, give them their big moment, and be left asking "Ok, now what?" That was an issue that seemed to bite WWE a lot for a long time, where they'd bring someone up or someone new onto the show and throw a big title on them right away; then you end up like Sheamus, who's pretty awesome but who feels like he's been there an eternity and done literally everything there is to do.
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