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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 11, 2022 6:27:16 GMT -5
I guess they didn't know for sure how people would react to Hogan. At the time the title going on last was the right decision. Did you watch the shows back then? Noone gave a f*** about Y2J VS HHH & Jericho being pussy whipped without pussy. Meanwhile Hogan was getting monster pops and so was Rock. Rock/ Hogan should have been main event, but HHH was banging the bosses daughter and wanted to be the big returning hero. Yes I did, and Triple H was pretty over back then, made his comeback AND won the Rumble. It was more about Triple H and Stephanie than it was about Jericho. Plus it was the title. Its been very rare even since that event that a non-title match has main evented.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 11, 2022 6:32:57 GMT -5
Did you watch the shows back then? Noone gave a f*** about Y2J VS HHH & Jericho being pussy whipped without pussy. Meanwhile Hogan was getting monster pops and so was Rock. Rock/ Hogan should have been main event, but HHH was banging the bosses daughter and wanted to be the big returning hero. Yes I did, and Triple H was pretty over back then, made his comeback AND won the Rumble. It was more about Triple H and Stephanie than it was about Jericho. Plus it was the title. Its been very rare even since that event that a non-title match has main evented. HHH was barely getting reactions. He's a terrible face.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 11, 2022 6:42:48 GMT -5
Yes I did, and Triple H was pretty over back then, made his comeback AND won the Rumble. It was more about Triple H and Stephanie than it was about Jericho. Plus it was the title. Its been very rare even since that event that a non-title match has main evented. HHH was barely getting reactions. We'll have to agree to disagree on that.
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Post by krozor on Sept 11, 2022 16:58:38 GMT -5
Truly one of the greatest matches of all time. Two wrestlers who completely understood the crowd, the moment, their limitations, and how to play into and out of all of those things. If there's ever a match to show how "technical skill" and the ability to work a pro wrestling match are not necessarily the same thing (though the certainly can be and have been - Danielson is every bit as good at telling a story in match move-by-move when given the time, and the recent trios and tag title matches in AEW have also been perfect examples of how to do it moving at top speeds, and Gunther-Sheamus was a spectacular example of telling the story through sheer physical awe), this is the one. I wish modern agents and promoters would watch the opening sequences again and remember how effective simple things like lock-ups can be; the story Hogan and Rock tell (Rock is better, faster, and younger but Hogan taps into the crowd and turns back into the old Hulk, the real Hogan, and Rock is suddenly terrified by how much stronger Hogan is, which will lead into Rock shifting back towards working like a heel as the match goes on) in just a handful of basic moves is incredible, and it's clearly, easily done.
It's one of the biggest things missing in US matches today: the basic parts of a match are there for a reason, to set the story for the audience. Don't sprint through them or cut them out all together. Nakamura, for example, was a guy who could set the pace and story of his matches in the opening sequences in New Japan, and he's not allowed/encouraged to do that over here.
Anyway, I love it, and it's equally great every time I watch it again. The magic of pro wrestling on full display, all the way through the end when the Hulk Up sequence starts and they have everyone believing one last time, turning back the clock and reminding them of how great wrestling can be.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Sept 11, 2022 17:13:47 GMT -5
Truly one of the greatest matches of all time. Two wrestlers who completely understood the crowd, the moment, their limitations, and how to play into and out of all of those things. If there's ever a match to show how "technical skill" and the ability to work a pro wrestling match are not necessarily the same thing (though the certainly can be and have been - Danielson is every bit as good at telling a story in match move-by-move when given the time, and the recent trios and tag title matches in AEW have also been perfect examples of how to do it moving at top speeds, and Gunther-Sheamus was a spectacular example of telling the story through sheer physical awe), this is the one. I wish modern agents and promoters would watch the opening sequences again and remember how effective simple things like lock-ups can be; the story Hogan and Rock tell (Rock is better, faster, and younger but Hogan taps into the crowd and turns back into the old Hulk, the real Hogan, and Rock is suddenly terrified by how much stronger Hogan is, which will lead into Rock shifting back towards working like a heel as the match goes on) in just a handful of basic moves is incredible, and it's clearly, easily done. It's one of the biggest things missing in US matches today: the basic parts of a match are there for a reason, to set the story for the audience. Don't sprint through them or cut them out all together. Nakamura, for example, was a guy who could set the pace and story of his matches in the opening sequences in New Japan, and he's not allowed/encouraged to do that over here. Anyway, I love it, and it's equally great every time I watch it again. The magic of pro wrestling on full display, all the way through the end when the Hulk Up sequence starts and they have everyone believing one last time, turning back the clock and reminding them of how great wrestling can be. I've watched this match with non fans, and this match, more than almost any other, gets them sucked in. Hogan & Rock are masters of thier craft.
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