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Post by ThankGodForSidJustice on Sept 24, 2022 3:55:06 GMT -5
I understand wanting to have Bayley lead a faction to freshen her presentation but I just don't think the three of work as a trio and would probably all be better off on their own. While all three are talented they don't come off like a unit. Granted they've only been a group for two months so maybe it's premature to say that. Toxic Attraction and The Riott Squad are other examples of heel women trios who didn't make any sense at all either at first and eventually gelled and started coming off very much like a unit. At the moment though it just seems like something to appease Bayley and Hunter went with it because all three are favorites of his but at the same time didn't really have a plan for what their direction is and what their goal is supposed to be.
As far as their booking goes it could be better but it hasn't been terrible either. Both Bayley and Io have been protected as neither have done any jobs since the group debuted. Dakota has been the fall girl but that was to be expected and even in her case the two times she was pinned were off fluky distraction roll up finishes so even she's being protected to a degree. If anything I thought tonight's finish made Raquel look weak in that a woman as big and strong as her would have to resort to using a bitch rollup to pin someone she outweighed by like sixty pounds instead of powerbombing her. The Shotzi stuff probably isn't ideal but they are hurting badly for babyfaces on Smackdown so I can understand it simply in the sense that they have to try with someone.
I also think Becky getting injured the same night they debuted forcing them to pivot also hurt them as she would've been much more effective in Alexa's role as the babyfaces apposing them. Also she would've provided a better foil for Bayley on the mic then Bianca who is an alright promo but that that great either.
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Post by Totorob101 on Sept 24, 2022 4:41:47 GMT -5
Very talented group of women who just dont gell together and honestly,Hunters booking has been very overated so far,a good start but everything feels like its regressing back to the old ways and this group just doesnt fit at all,as every member is better suited in singles while Dakota and Iyo in my book are better babyfaces then evil heels. Iyo is being wasted for sure as she is clearly one of the best wrestlers,male and female,in the world and has basically just been reduced to a lackey for Bayley. The other problem for the group is there isnt many other babyfaces they can feud with other then the big names, the womens rosters lack to much depth for any female stable to actually be any kind of force in. Again im just not impressed with the booking and why Doudrop is still the same as she is is something you have to question Hunter about to.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Sept 24, 2022 4:50:21 GMT -5
Things ain't looking any better Doing a Rollins vs Mysterio match again actually feels like a personal threat to my health and well being.
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 24, 2022 5:20:19 GMT -5
I really like them all individually but something's not clicking as a group.
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 6:22:21 GMT -5
I will state it again. One of the big problems that set this entire thing off was Damage CTRL losing the tournament finals despite being dominant through it, to a makeshift team who had no business holding the tag titles.
It also doesn't help that Iyo was sabotaged from the very start either, by wrestling Bianca the night after Summerslam, and...Bianca taking like 95% of the match and reversing every one of Iyo's spots within a minute or two of it happening. And then having Raquel kick out of her finisher like three weeks later like it wasn't a big deal.
Hell, even Dakota Kai got more because at least they booked her to squash Dana Brooke.
This is why I feel like Bianca is a better chaser than champion. Because her reign has reached oppressive levels of harming the division because she never has to look weak at the end of the day, instead making the other women look bad.
It's completely baffling why Triple H is so hellbent on making Damage CTRL look weak. Yes I understand that faces need obstacles to overcome. But at the same time faces EVENTUALLY have to lose to an obstacle, because otherwise they end up in Mary-Sue territory. Damage CTRL should have been that obstacle. But instead they are being set up as just another minor inconvenience for Bianca.
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Post by papagiorgio on Sept 24, 2022 6:37:32 GMT -5
While I don't think they should lose tag matches and 6 women matches, Dakota and Iyo are lackeys for Bayley, so I don't see the big deal in them losing to top flight singles wrestlers.
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 6:44:07 GMT -5
While I don't think they should lose tag matches and 6 women matches, Dakota and Iyo are lackeys for Bayley, so I don't see the big deal in them losing to top flight singles wrestlers. Because at the end of the day, they are supposed to be big stars and future main eventers. And all their current booking does is make them look awful and far from credible. Especially when they are getting chumped on by women like Shotzi who has two wins this year to her name. And again, WWE absolutely should be building up Dakota and Iyo as huge stars at this point. But as long as they keep getting chumped on by every babyface under the sun, that's not going to happen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2022 6:59:05 GMT -5
I am not gonna be writing this group off because like already said it is still very early in this groups lifespan right now and when you look at something like the judgment day which was an absoloute dirt worst group when it started took heavy alterations to fix it and look at them.
But the advantage even that group had was an overall theme and Edge was great at conveying the point that it was a group meant to cast judgment on the rest of the roster...and just that alone told me this was a group that even without titles can still be a threat.
Dmg Ctrl in the name tells you what they are...but it automatically put them in a box that thematically they have to hold all the titles because that is the point of the group they want to controll the womens division and so the more they lose the less impactful this group is...so IYO Vs Bianca is going to be very telling about where this group stands because Dakota losing to Raquel was none too surprising to me she was always going to be the primary fall girl for the group , but IYO is a whole other kettle of fish she should be being built as not only their next big female japanese star but built up overall that tells the audience this is the one to keep an eye out for because she is going to hold the womens title in the future.
But there are 2 big primary problems IMO.
1. Like said already and I to have said it there is a lack of cohesion here it feels like 3 individual women and not a group....they need to start doing things like skits...come out during matches and just do something...like let IYO and Dakota kill the lower tier talents and have whichever other two come out to a set up table with drinks and beach chairs and just chill...let them do goofy shit that helps establish a personality between them...do some Oedo Tai'esc shenanigans , they have to set themselves apart from the rest of the division and they are not doing enough right now.
2. and this one hurts to say...but Bayley is terrible leader (in Kayfabe and funny how this is exact same problem judgment day had) she hasn't evolved her character since the last we saw of her...she is still doing the act that worked for her as a singles talent but clear as day it makes for a terrible integration into a group and unless she can completely whiplash into something completely out of left field sooner than later IMO this group should pull a judgment day and get a new leader.
But again this is still early into the life of the group so I am still willing to ride this out and hope things can get better much like they did with judgment day.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Sept 24, 2022 7:05:01 GMT -5
…..I like them 🥺
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Post by Slammy Award-Winning Cannibal on Sept 24, 2022 7:13:29 GMT -5
Look I’m gonna continue to support them because f*** Vince for shitting on it. I’d rather this trio than nothing. Vince was horrible booking women. So yeah, this is a step up so I’m glad they’re on TV.
That said, as others have said, Bayley is a bad leader. She was a funny annoying heel during covid but that’s done now. She’s better off being a babyface again where she’s at her best. Swap her out with KLR since lord knows she’s not a compelling baby face anyway.
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Post by PKO on Sept 24, 2022 7:30:08 GMT -5
Yeah I think we’re far in enough now to say it’s not clicking. The negatives outweigh the positives and, I mean, the biggest positive that I can point out right now is that after five years of trying Dakota has finally found a hairstyle that looks great lol
There’s little glimpses of what could be; I liked Bayley interpreting what Io said, and there have been a couple matches where she really was directing traffic, telling IYO/Kai where to go and what to do and I thought that is exactly what she should be doing.
But losing the tournament can now be viewed as a big mistake, and even when they have the numbers advantage they don’t come across like a threat. It should be that when the three of them are working in cohesion they’re dangerous, but their beatdowns have been lacklustre at best.
And IYO should just wear her ring gear 24/7 because she’s seems to forget everything once she’s in street gear, throwing some of the worst kicks and punches I’ve ever seen in wrestling…and she’s one of the best women they’ve ever had! Her match with Bianca was great as well so I don’t get it. She looked abysmal on this past SmackDown, stumbling around and not following Shotzi’s lead at all.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Sept 24, 2022 7:54:57 GMT -5
Everyone can’t be #1. I think Damage CTRL is perfectly alright.
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Post by mistery on Sept 24, 2022 7:55:54 GMT -5
Yeah I think we’re far in enough now to say it’s not clicking. The negatives outweigh the positives and, I mean, the biggest positive that I can point out right now is that after five years of trying Dakota has finally found a hairstyle that looks great lol There’s little glimpses of what could be; I liked Bayley interpreting what Io said, and there have been a couple matches where she really was directing traffic, telling IYO/Kai where to go and what to do and I thought that is exactly what she should be doing. But losing the tournament can now be viewed as a big mistake, and even when they have the numbers advantage they don’t come across like a threat. It should be that when the three of them are working in cohesion they’re dangerous, but their beatdowns have been lacklustre at best. And IYO should just wear her ring gear 24/7 because she’s seems to forget everything once she’s in street gear, throwing some of the worst kicks and punches I’ve ever seen in wrestling…and she’s one of the best women they’ve ever had! Her match with Bianca was great as well so I don’t get it. She looked abysmal on this past SmackDown, stumbling around and not following Shotzi’s lead at all. Uh...Iyo's strikes looked fine last night. The problem was pretty clearly Shotzi forgetting her spots. You could even hear Graves and Cole about to talk about how Shotzi and Iyo were going to brawl, just for Shotzi to no sell it and force Iyo out of the ring. The problem with Shotzi is that yes she exudes babyface energy. But that's literally it. She's a pretty below average wrestler otherwise.
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Post by Vincent Whiney on Sept 24, 2022 8:20:35 GMT -5
It’ll get worse die them when Becky Lynch comes back too.
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 24, 2022 8:49:30 GMT -5
While I don't think they should lose tag matches and 6 women matches, Dakota and Iyo are lackeys for Bayley, so I don't see the big deal in them losing to top flight singles wrestlers. Making Dakota and Iyo mere lackeys for Bayley is the least interesting way to do this however. They’re too good to simply be that. Also they’re the freaking tag champs as well. Treat them like champions.
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Post by J is Justice on Sept 24, 2022 8:50:43 GMT -5
For me, the positives have been:
1. Bayley. 2. Dakota's hair. 3. Iyo versus Bianca. 4. CATC match and the fact they pinned Bianca. 5. Golf cart. 6. Winning the tag titles (eventually).
Negatives:
1. Bayley (I agree with whoever said she doesn't make a great leader). 2. Entrance theme. 3. Not winning the tournament is... maybe... possibly a negative (forgive me, Aliyah) but they did eventually get the titles. 4. Some awkward matches and moments (like that brawl).
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Post by Friday Night SmackOwn on Sept 24, 2022 8:57:35 GMT -5
Seriously, though, that entrance theme is ass.
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Post by PKO on Sept 24, 2022 10:34:12 GMT -5
And IYO should just wear her ring gear 24/7 because she’s seems to forget everything once she’s in street gear, throwing some of the worst kicks and punches I’ve ever seen in wrestling…and she’s one of the best women they’ve ever had! Her match with Bianca was great as well so I don’t get it. She looked abysmal on this past SmackDown, stumbling around and not following Shotzi’s lead at all. Uh...Iyo's strikes looked fine last night. The problem was pretty clearly Shotzi forgetting her spots. You could even hear Graves and Cole about to talk about how Shotzi and Iyo were going to brawl, just for Shotzi to no sell it and force Iyo out of the ring. Err…that’s one way to look at it lol She tripped getting into the ring and threw some awful punches that didn’t connect: And then Shotzi very clearly tries to direct IYO into the corner, twice, and IYO messed that up before throwing herself out the ring: Like, mistakes happen and people have off nights, it just seems to be especially when IYO is in her street gear. She looked really bad last night but it is what it is. Can’t blame that on Shotzi🤷🏻♂️
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Post by asuka007 on Sept 24, 2022 10:38:35 GMT -5
Not the best outfit for fighting in honestly.
Iyo in particular should be being shown as the badass she is. Last time she faced Bianca, it was very one sided, which isn’t good.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Sept 24, 2022 11:01:44 GMT -5
At this point I want Bayley to win at ER not because I think she’s interesting in the slightest right now but just because I think the time is right for Bianca to drop it.
I have no confidence in Bayley having an interesting title reign. I may be in the minority but I hated that long reign she had on Smackdown outside of the Sasha feud at the end and I think this will just be more of the same. I think she’s run her course as a heel unless they’re going to tweak her character a bit.
A babyface run I think would be the best thing for her but I don’t think it’ll happen anytime soon with her just starting a heel stable. Hey, as jarring as it would be maybe they can pull an Edge/Judgement Day and have Iyo/Dakota turn on her for being a failure of a leader. I admit that would be terrible booking this soon but I’m all for any reason to end this 2019-22 version of heel Bayley. I thought being gone for over a year would make it seem fresher but I’m still just not feeling it.
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