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Post by A Platypus Rave is Correct on Aug 1, 2024 22:50:37 GMT -5
No no hey let's be fair now; it's a 'political issue' because this thread someone doesn't have to participate in is saying very mean things about their beliefs and that makes them sad I understand that some may argue that allowing biological men to compete in women's sports is not a political issue, but I believe it is inherently political. This topic involves questions of gender identity, rights, and fairness in competition, all of which intersect with broader societal values and policies. The implications of such decisions can influence legislation, sports governance, and public opinion, making it a matter of political discourse. It's important to recognize that discussions about sports, gender, and inclusion are often rooted in political contexts, regardless of individual viewpoints Except it doesn't... because she's biologically female, and has a pretty mid fight record at that. Read my post directly above yours.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 1, 2024 22:51:30 GMT -5
What happened to this forum, we used to bite each other while attempting to protect the dogs We must always protect the dogs. what's that? bite kenny omega? AWOOGA don't mind if I do! I'm bringing this forum back to respectability!
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Post by khali on Aug 1, 2024 22:52:13 GMT -5
We've reached the "dude jumps in with an ill informed deluxe shit take that got refuted 12 pages ago that he's very confident in while insulting everyone else" embarrassing shit phase of the thread Damn, I didn’t even know Logan Paul posted here.
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Post by JoshiGuy69 on Aug 1, 2024 22:52:40 GMT -5
If you ever find yourself defending the opinion of a Paul brother, rethink your decisions.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 1, 2024 22:54:01 GMT -5
No no hey let's be fair now; it's a 'political issue' because this thread someone doesn't have to participate in is saying very mean things about their beliefs and that makes them sad I understand that some may argue that allowing biological men to compete in women's sports is not a political issue, but I believe it is inherently political. This topic involves questions of gender identity, rights, and fairness in competition, all of which intersect with broader societal values and policies. The implications of such decisions can influence legislation, sports governance, and public opinion, making it a matter of political discourse. It's important to recognize that discussions about sports, gender, and inclusion are often rooted in political contexts, regardless of individual viewpoints Please tell me you understand that this is not even the argument that is happening in this thread. Because that argument had no reason to happen in this thread. Because Imane Khalif is not a trans person. We’re just riffing on Logan Paul for being a f***ing moron speaking on something he knew nothing about and then throwing a temper tantrum when he had to retract his false statement.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 1, 2024 22:54:47 GMT -5
No no hey let's be fair now; it's a 'political issue' because this thread someone doesn't have to participate in is saying very mean things about their beliefs and that makes them sad I understand that some may argue that allowing biological men to compete in women's sports is not a political issue, but I believe it is inherently political. This topic involves questions of gender identity, rights, and fairness in competition, all of which intersect with broader societal values and policies. The implications of such decisions can influence legislation, sports governance, and public opinion, making it a matter of political discourse. It's important to recognize that discussions about sports, gender, and inclusion are often rooted in political contexts, regardless of individual viewpoints 'Fairness in competition' and 'sports governancetop of my mind when I go to vote, aboslutely I'm thinking about sports. Footed ball is the only thing that matters when I'm looking for a candidate. Logan Paul spread slanderous, bigoted misinformation about a cis woman, this isn't politics. Trans people are being pushed back into the margins of society and people wanna handwring about if they get sports advantages because they want to see them pushed off of those margins entirely. This isn't even about sports. Nobody cares about women's boxing. Nobody is thinking about protecting it and saving it from the mean nasty men in skirts who want to beat women. This isn't happening. It's about hating a group of people and using sports to do it because sports are a public facet of American existence. That's it. Nobody is thinking day to day about women's boxing, nobody here watched this boxing match, this is stupid and if we let the idea of "Oh well this is political because bigots want to make it poltiical" then you are at best falling into the rhetorical trap of people using the discomfort around politics specifically to silence opposition to their desire to make trans people go away, and at worst are complicit and utilizing those same methods.
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Post by cosmo on Aug 1, 2024 22:55:04 GMT -5
Can we just go back to clowning on Logan Paul and keep the arguing to the DMs please?
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 1, 2024 22:56:24 GMT -5
man seeing such brazen chest puffing shit like that when you can go back not even a full page and see she is biologically female REALLY hammers home the sense of dread I have for this woman. I hope she has good bodyguards or people around her because holy shit, she is going to be going through it for a while and for what? that's someone's daughter dude. shit just gives me the worst feeling And over something that a quick Google search can clear up. Its the kinda shit that can happen when someone just opens their mouth without proper knowledge of the topic or without regard of the potential consequences that the person in question may have to face, since while the people that give their opinions can move on with their lives like nothing happened, the person in question doesn't have that same luxury.
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Post by SirLucas on Aug 1, 2024 22:57:32 GMT -5
man seeing such brazen chest puffing shit like that when you can go back not even a full page and see she is biologically female REALLY hammers home the sense of dread I have for this woman. I hope she has good bodyguards or people around her because holy shit, she is going to be going through it for a while and for what? that's someone's daughter dude. shit just gives me the worst feeling I am not denying she's not a biological male. I just read she previously failed tests for possessing high testosterone levels of chromosomal variance. Here's is Logan Paul's quote. "I might be guilty of spreading misinformation along with the entirety of this app Although she’s been previously disqualified for failing a “gender test” and has XY chromosomes, some sources say Imane Khelif was born a biological woman I stand by my sentiment that biological men should not compete against biological women in any sport and if you disagree you’re a sick f***."
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 1, 2024 22:57:53 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?"
My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that.
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Post by SirLucas on Aug 1, 2024 23:01:06 GMT -5
What are we attacking Logan Paul for?
His general stance of transgenders in sports or an accusation that Khelif is a biological male?
It is important to make the distinction because the ones issue addresses the larger debate about fairness and policy in sports, while the second focuses on a personal accusation without sufficient evidence.
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Post by UN PLOMBIER NIGHTMARE #blm on Aug 1, 2024 23:01:36 GMT -5
man seeing such brazen chest puffing shit like that when you can go back not even a full page and see she is biologically female REALLY hammers home the sense of dread I have for this woman. I hope she has good bodyguards or people around her because holy shit, she is going to be going through it for a while and for what? that's someone's daughter dude. shit just gives me the worst feeling I am not denying she's not a biological male. I just read she previously failed tests for possessing high testosterone levels of chromosomal variance. Here's is Logan Paul's quote. "I might be guilty of spreading misinformation along with the entirety of this app Although she’s been previously disqualified for failing a “gender test” and has XY chromosomes, some sources say Imane Khelif was born a biological woman I stand by my sentiment that biological men should not compete against biological women in any sport and if you disagree you’re a sick f***." You have like 30 other people who quoted you before, there was an initial tweet that Logan deleted because WWE told him to shape up. If I were you, I would converse with them instead of people who want nothing to do with you. You yourself said "I just read" on the subject at hand right after preening about being the voice of reason, I do not want to talk to you.
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Post by A Little Doo Doo on Aug 1, 2024 23:02:59 GMT -5
Can we just go back to clowning on Logan Paul and keep the arguing to the DMs please? I think Paul's pretty overrated as a talent, honestly. Like everyone else I was impressed with how quickly he picked things up, but if he were to ever become a full timer I think he'd get exposed the way Ronda was.
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Post by SirLucas on Aug 1, 2024 23:03:39 GMT -5
I am not denying she's not a biological male. I just read she previously failed tests for possessing high testosterone levels of chromosomal variance. Here's is Logan Paul's quote. "I might be guilty of spreading misinformation along with the entirety of this app Although she’s been previously disqualified for failing a “gender test” and has XY chromosomes, some sources say Imane Khelif was born a biological woman I stand by my sentiment that biological men should not compete against biological women in any sport and if you disagree you’re a sick f***." You have like 30 other people who quoted you before, there was an initial tweet that Logan deleted because WWE told him to shape up. If I were you, I would converse with them instead of people who want nothing to do with you. You yourself said "I just read" on the subject at hand right after preening about being the voice of reason, I do not want to talk to you. I respectfully asked for clarification.
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Post by Denny Zen is Cooking™ on Aug 1, 2024 23:04:08 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?" My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that. The wrestling community is a microcosm of society at large. 25 years ago, the wrestling fandom was in many ways an unwelcoming cesspool of chauvinist machismo. Gradually, it has become more diverse and welcoming to people of all walks of life. Some people can’t handle that, so they lash out and then run away into echo chambers that validate their regressive beliefs. It’s why r/scjerk has turned into what it has, as just one example.
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Post by Chiral on Aug 1, 2024 23:05:39 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?" My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that. The first thing that comes to mind were jokes like the "Excellent question Shelton" that went from making fun of Vince for saying it to a bunch like "I'm gonna say this any time a black wrestler shows up." I don't remember like overt hatred but there are areas of the forum I've never touched so I could have just missed it.
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 1, 2024 23:07:35 GMT -5
We had the same conversation in off topic just a few days ago when a guy was getting mad at being allowed to have BLM stuff in signatures/names/etc. and also saying it's bullshit that they couldn't have pro choice stuff for "real women" instead of anyone being allowed to show support for trans people... even if there's literally millions of AFAB people who are transitioning to men. They said the same thing that this place has changed and saying "what happened to this place?" My question is, I remember when this place was pretty outright sexist and strange sometimes with the threads but was there outright making fun of trans people, gay people, black people, etc. back then? Did this place have a 180 from what they're saying was seemingly a paradise for them? I know it wasn't at all like it is now but I have a hard time believing it was some haven for stuff like that. The first thing that comes to mind were jokes like the "Excellent question Shelton" that went from making fun of Vince for saying it to a bunch like "I'm gonna say this any time a black wrestler shows up." I don't remember like overt hatred but there are areas of the forum I've never touched so I could have just missed it. Yeah, I do remember those days. Looking back at it....yeah, that has aged quite poorly.
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Post by FinalGwen on Aug 1, 2024 23:08:02 GMT -5
What are we attacking Logan Paul for? His general stance of transgenders in sports or an accusation that Khelif is a biological male? It is important to make the distinction because the ones issue addresses the larger debate about fairness and policy in sports, while the second focuses on a personal accusation without sufficient evidence. Both is good. It's not actually that important a distinction because transphobia is unacceptable regardless of whether he's aiming it at the wrong targets out of sheer ignorance, you just seemingly wanna obfuscate because of your own pretty obvious views on trans people.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Weather Machine on Aug 1, 2024 23:08:38 GMT -5
GONNA GET Q PILLED TONIGHT (YEAH) GONNA GET SOME GIRLS I LIKE I'M GONNA WEAR MY PANTS REAL TIGHT
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Post by lionheart21 on Aug 1, 2024 23:08:53 GMT -5
You have like 30 other people who quoted you before, there was an initial tweet that Logan deleted because WWE told him to shape up. If I were you, I would converse with them instead of people who want nothing to do with you. You yourself said "I just read" on the subject at hand right after preening about being the voice of reason, I do not want to talk to you. I respectfully asked for clarification. You were given clarification from a number of other users. Please read the room.
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