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Post by DichEvans on Oct 1, 2022 13:18:12 GMT -5
I really don't understand why you book a show for Toronto and then the next week it's back to somewhere they've already ran multiple times. If you're going to Canada also do shows in Hamilton, Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec and London. Places you've never been before Honestly, they could even make a small tour of it and hit those cities over a course of a week |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 1, 2022 13:21:07 GMT -5
I understand not selling out most of your tickets early especially with the flux the product is in. I don't think it's panic time either because a lot of these shows are several weeks out.
I agree they should go to places they haven't been before. Seattle is a good start. Doing places like Portland, the Bay Area, and Phoenix would be good too. Though AEW's lighter schedule also makes a Canada tour easier said than done since a lot of folks fly home after Wednesdays. International travel even between Canada and the US is still a major pain.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2022 16:16:50 GMT -5
I’ll be that guy for the point of discussion…
It might make some alright tv, but nobody is buying a ticket to see Wheeler Yuta and Daniel Garcia.
Every wrestling company in history is just bookers playing real life action figures with their favorite guys. Wrestling is already a niche attraction, and being an alternative to WWE it’s even more niche on top of that, but some of Tony’s featured talent and booking might work for some top indies, but it’s too niche even for 36 year fan like myself. Niche on top of niche on top of niche. I don’t know who this is for besides a hardcore percentage of fans.
When they first started up I jokingly said maybe they sign Ryback. Someone with a little more it factor than Brandon Cutler… Which now they have own Ryback with Wardrow, but even as tnt champion he hasn’t been given anything to do since beating MJF. It’s just one sample of many baffling booking decisions.
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Post by cjb01: Limited Edition Item! on Oct 1, 2022 16:53:50 GMT -5
I’ll be that guy for the point of discussion… It might make some alright tv, but nobody is buying a ticket to see Wheeler Yuta and Daniel Garcia. You'd be surprised given their PURE title match was seen by 1.1 Million viewers by its climax Maybe not a year ago, but these guys are becoming names that interest people. Maybe they aren't buying tickets JUST to see them, but they aren't turning people away, they're sweetening the pot I'd say, especially Garcia, way over with live crowds right now. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 1, 2022 17:12:39 GMT -5
Seriously, I feel like as far as eastern states go, people forget how big New York state actually is about as often as people forget how LONG top to bottom Florida actually is (I say with unpleasant memories of driving to Disney, crossing the FL/GA border and going YAY we're almost there, and then... yeah, Orlando isn't "almost there"). Albany might look straight up the road on a map, but even via the thruway it's a haul from Westchester, let alone if you were coming from the city proper. Ditto for having distinct Newark and Long Island shows. ESPECIALLY Long Island shows. I go to a lot of Mets games, and just getting to Citi Field, right by Arthur Ashe in Flushing, from Jersey City without having to take my car involves hopping a bus to the Port Authority and then the 7 train to Mets/Willets Point (praying to get the express), which takes me about an hour total. Flushing is less than 15 miles from my apartment, and that's how long it takes via transit...and it's worse when you go to a show/game that ends late, because then you'll get back to the Port Authority and waiting a long ass time for a bus home. Could try the PATH train, but that's a similarly long wait once it's past 10pm. I could just drive, but doing so during rush hour just blows, and worse is the ridiculous amount of money you pay in tolls for the trip: $16 to ride the George Washington Bridge, around $13 to go both ways on the RFK Triboro, then whatever the hell it costs to park depending on the venue/event, as opposed to something like $14 combined for the bus/train out there. All of that being said...if AEW ran this area less and only had one show, say, at the new Long Island arena or something, I'd probably try a lot harder to get a ticket to that show. But since I feel confident they'll be back in Newark at some point soon enough and know that they'll run Queens once a year I just tell myself it's not worth the aggravation. Still, given the enormous population in every direction around here it's not like they're really hurting for attendance, either. I will just throw in that getting from one part of NYC to another can be a huge pain in the ass, especially with public transportation. Traveling from Arthur Ashe Stadium to Staten Island by public transportation after a wrestling event gets out at like 11PM is a mess of trains, ferries and buses and can easily take more then three hours. I've had trips where driving from South Brooklyn to the Bronx can take longer then when I used to drive from Staten Island to Albany back in college. As for running in new cities, does AEW run the same risk that ECW had doing that back in the 90's where they just have no infrastructure in place to run in those markets? Will they wind up losing money getting their ring and talent there even with good ticket sales? I mean, I imagine Tony Khan is more on the ball with finances then Paul Heyman ever will be, but in the end it's still the same issue. |
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Post by Burst on Oct 1, 2022 17:35:50 GMT -5
As for running in new cities, does AEW run the same risk that ECW had doing that back in the 90's where they just have no infrastructure in place to run in those markets? Will they wind up losing money getting their ring and talent there even with good ticket sales? I mean, I imagine Tony Khan is more on the ball with finances then Paul Heyman ever will be, but in the end it's still the same issue. I feel like a lot would depend on their strategy for choosing new markets, and whether or not they were aggressive with local advertising or not versus relying on online word of mouth. Especially when attempting a new market, I feel like there's really no reason to NOT aggressively advertise locally, especially if you've got anyone on the roster that's either from the area or close enough. In a sense they should be doing things like what Darby's done at SDCC or wherever it was he got ambushed, stuff that can go viral some way or another, but doing it locally. Get your folks onto local news segments to promote the show, get billboards, the works. They've certainly got the money for it versus a smaller indie having to pick and choose which marketing to use. Like, if and when they get around to running Montreal or Quebec City, it'd be a no-brainer to send 2.0 up that way well in advance of tickets opening, for one. Also re: smaller markets, I feel like Charleston pretty much has to be the smallest city they've run, right? At least in terms of gauging whatever their lower end for market sizes would be. |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Oct 1, 2022 18:10:30 GMT -5
As for running in new cities, does AEW run the same risk that ECW had doing that back in the 90's where they just have no infrastructure in place to run in those markets? Will they wind up losing money getting their ring and talent there even with good ticket sales? I mean, I imagine Tony Khan is more on the ball with finances then Paul Heyman ever will be, but in the end it's still the same issue. I feel like a lot would depend on their strategy for choosing new markets, and whether or not they were aggressive with local advertising or not versus relying on online word of mouth. Especially when attempting a new market, I feel like there's really no reason to NOT aggressively advertise locally, especially if you've got anyone on the roster that's either from the area or close enough. In a sense they should be doing things like what Darby's done at SDCC or wherever it was he got ambushed, stuff that can go viral some way or another, but doing it locally. Get your folks onto local news segments to promote the show, get billboards, the works. They've certainly got the money for it versus a smaller indie having to pick and choose which marketing to use. Like, if and when they get around to running Montreal or Quebec City, it'd be a no-brainer to send 2.0 up that way well in advance of tickets opening, for one. Also re: smaller markets, I feel like Charleston pretty much has to be the smallest city they've run, right? At least in terms of gauging whatever their lower end for market sizes would be. I mean, yeah, that answers part of my question, but there's more to running in a new market then just getting the fans to show up. You're right, Montreal would be a no-brainer. Big cosmopolitan city, large population with a built-in wrestling audience from the Lutte International days, several venues to choose from, easy to get in and out of, lots of local businesses to help with the logistics and minutiae of a wrestling show (like catering). But somebody earlier in the thread mentioned running shows in someplace like Sioux Falls. How would that work? Relatively small city. No idea what kind of wrestling scene it has. How are the wrestlers going to get there? I doubt there are many planes flying directly there from places like NYC or Florida. They'd probably have to fly into Minneapolis and Chicago and take private planes and buses. How's that gonna eat into their sales? What venues are there? Is the local business community capable of supporting something like this? And how do they set all this up with no contacts in place? These are all major issues that need to be worked out. I mean, ECW fans used to like to brag about how the company would draw big crowds to places like Birmingham, AL and Baton Rouge, LA, but they completely ignored that those markets were so off the beaten track from ECW's usual haunts that they would lose money just flying the talent in. Would AEW be risking something like this? |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Oct 1, 2022 18:31:57 GMT -5
I’ll be that guy for the point of discussion… It might make some alright tv, but nobody is buying a ticket to see Wheeler Yuta and Daniel Garcia. Every wrestling company in history is just bookers playing real life action figures with their favorite guys. Wrestling is already a niche attraction, and being an alternative to WWE it’s even more niche on top of that, but some of Tony’s featured talent and booking might work for some top indies, but it’s too niche even for 36 year fan like myself. Niche on top of niche on top of niche. I don’t know who this is for besides a hardcore percentage of fans. When they first started up I jokingly said maybe they sign Ryback. Someone with a little more it factor than Brandon Cutler… Which now they have own Ryback with Wardrow, but even as tnt champion he hasn’t been given anything to do since beating MJF. It’s just one sample of many baffling booking decisions. You have to prominently feature the Yutas and Garcias if you want people to eventually buy a ticket to see them. Remember that for a long ass time Jericho was a mid carder with exceptional in-ring skills but not much else. |
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 1, 2022 20:02:12 GMT -5
As for running in new cities, does AEW run the same risk that ECW had doing that back in the 90's where they just have no infrastructure in place to run in those markets? Will they wind up losing money getting their ring and talent there even with good ticket sales? I mean, I imagine Tony Khan is more on the ball with finances then Paul Heyman ever will be, but in the end it's still the same issue. I feel like a lot would depend on their strategy for choosing new markets, and whether or not they were aggressive with local advertising or not versus relying on online word of mouth. Especially when attempting a new market, I feel like there's really no reason to NOT aggressively advertise locally, especially if you've got anyone on the roster that's either from the area or close enough. In a sense they should be doing things like what Darby's done at SDCC or wherever it was he got ambushed, stuff that can go viral some way or another, but doing it locally. Get your folks onto local news segments to promote the show, get billboards, the works. They've certainly got the money for it versus a smaller indie having to pick and choose which marketing to use. Like, if and when they get around to running Montreal or Quebec City, it'd be a no-brainer to send 2.0 up that way well in advance of tickets opening, for one. Also re: smaller markets, I feel like Charleston pretty much has to be the smallest city they've run, right? At least in terms of gauging whatever their lower end for market sizes would be. They had a ft Myers dynamite earlier in the year. Not sure which is bigger though |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 1, 2022 21:24:25 GMT -5
I feel like a lot would depend on their strategy for choosing new markets, and whether or not they were aggressive with local advertising or not versus relying on online word of mouth. Especially when attempting a new market, I feel like there's really no reason to NOT aggressively advertise locally, especially if you've got anyone on the roster that's either from the area or close enough. In a sense they should be doing things like what Darby's done at SDCC or wherever it was he got ambushed, stuff that can go viral some way or another, but doing it locally. Get your folks onto local news segments to promote the show, get billboards, the works. They've certainly got the money for it versus a smaller indie having to pick and choose which marketing to use. Like, if and when they get around to running Montreal or Quebec City, it'd be a no-brainer to send 2.0 up that way well in advance of tickets opening, for one. Also re: smaller markets, I feel like Charleston pretty much has to be the smallest city they've run, right? At least in terms of gauging whatever their lower end for market sizes would be. They had a ft Myers dynamite earlier in the year. Not sure which is bigger though Charleston has half the population of Fort Meyers. Fort Meyers is also part of a much larger metro area. |
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Post by jm on Oct 2, 2022 0:04:24 GMT -5
It always amazes me that the same people who always say that Meltzer is biased towards AEW and even paid off by TK, immediately turn around and believe Meltzer whenever he reports negatively about AEW. It's amazing how fast the people who hate Meltzer immediately believe him whenever he has negative comments about AEW. It always amazes me.
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Post by The Heartbreak TWERK on Oct 2, 2022 2:30:08 GMT -5
It always amazes me that the same people who always say that Meltzer is biased towards AEW and even paid off by TK, immediately turn around and believe Meltzer whenever he reports negatively about AEW. It's amazing how fast the people who hate Meltzer immediately believe him whenever he has negative comments about AEW. It always amazes me. Does it amaze you? I'm not convinced. |
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 2, 2022 7:29:23 GMT -5
It always amazes me that the same people who always say that Meltzer is biased towards AEW and even paid off by TK, immediately turn around and believe Meltzer whenever he reports negatively about AEW. It's amazing how fast the people who hate Meltzer immediately believe him whenever he has negative comments about AEW. It always amazes me. When it comes to numbers and tickets. The analytics of that, I’m more into what Dave says. Because he’s very good at breaking that stuff down. Did it for UFC events too. |
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Post by One of the Cooler, Candid TOKs on Oct 2, 2022 7:38:25 GMT -5
This isn't just an AEW problem, WWE cancelled a bunch of house shows recently because advance sales were low. It's a mix of prices being jacked up (AEW was super cheap at first and now they're more expensive than WWE in the same market), fears of an economic downturn stopping people from spending on one-time items while paying more for goods, and running the same markets in succession.
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Post by Citizen Snips on Oct 2, 2022 7:53:49 GMT -5
I mean, ECW fans used to like to brag about how the company would draw big crowds to places like Birmingham, AL and Baton Rouge, LA, but they completely ignored that those markets were so off the beaten track from ECW's usual haunts that they would lose money just flying the talent in. Would AEW be risking something like this? NO. Comparing the financial states of ECW and AEW is just nuts. A typical ECW sold-out gate with merchandise would be in the low five figures, tops. Tony’s been bragging about his $1 million gates as of late. Tony is also bankrolled by his billionaire father. If Heyman ever had a couple hundred thousand cash in hand, I’d be shocked. |
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Oct 2, 2022 10:11:27 GMT -5
It’s a simple case of exhausting the same markets and the fact that the shows just aren’t must-see right now.
The fact that we’re on the verge of a recession(if we’re not already) doesn’t help.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 2, 2022 11:41:36 GMT -5
It’s a simple case of exhausting the same markets and the fact that the shows just aren’t must-see right now. The fact that we’re on the verge of a recession(if we’re not already) doesn’t help. Yeah, we’ve been in a recession for a minute now by the literal definition of the term. That’s definitely playing a part. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2022 12:23:17 GMT -5
It always amazes me that the same people who always say that Meltzer is biased towards AEW and even paid off by TK, immediately turn around and believe Meltzer whenever he reports negatively about AEW. It's amazing how fast the people who hate Meltzer immediately believe him whenever he has negative comments about AEW. It always amazes me. I don't think people were questioning the legitimacy of what Meltzer said in either situation just the rate |
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Post by The Captain on Oct 2, 2022 12:33:05 GMT -5
It’s a simple case of exhausting the same markets and the fact that the shows just aren’t must-see right now. The fact that we’re on the verge of a recession(if we’re not already) doesn’t help. Outside of Wall Street and the upper class it feels like we've been in a recession for like 15 years already. |
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 2, 2022 14:59:42 GMT -5
It’s a simple case of exhausting the same markets and the fact that the shows just aren’t must-see right now. The fact that we’re on the verge of a recession(if we’re not already) doesn’t help. Outside of Wall Street and the upper class it feels like we've been in a recession for like 15 years already. Big picture, for most people things are actually better right now than they've been in a good while: higher employment, higher wages (albeit nowhere near enough to make up for the gap that's exploded over the last 40 years), etc. Most financial reporting only focuses on the state of large companies when discussing the "health" of the economy, but that's sadly nothing new. I actually got a great price for my tickets to Rampage and Full Gear, a combined $75 for both shows per seat...but I also got my spots in the nosebleeds, and even if each show was more like $35-$40 a pop that's something that'd still add up if I was bringing more people than only my girlfriend with me. |
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