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Post by DiBiase is Good on Oct 4, 2022 23:41:23 GMT -5
The Cena/Orton rivalry is nowhere near as historic as the WWE tries to force us into believing but it still absolutely should be on this list.
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Post by Germansuplex on Oct 5, 2022 0:33:33 GMT -5
The Cena/Orton rivalry is nowhere near as historic as the WWE tries to force us into believing but it still absolutely should be on this list. Yeah, I can't take this list seriously if Orton isn't in but (*checks notes*) Kevin Owens is? I love Owens and it was a good feud, but come on.
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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 5, 2022 3:19:27 GMT -5
I based it on overall entertainment value as well as repetition. Honestly, I feel bad for putting Orton as high as I did, since I don't really care for many of their matches, and the height of it was either during Randy's stupid coked up Viper stage, or when they were unifying the titles and no one cared.
10. Triple H 9. The Rock 8. Brock Lesnar 7. The Nexus 6. Kurt Angle 5. Big Show 4. Randy Orton 3. Batista 2. CM Punk 1. Edge
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Oct 5, 2022 6:52:41 GMT -5
in which we pretend that people are excited about watching John Cena vs Randy Orton.
list is bang on.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2022 9:14:24 GMT -5
My issue with the Cena vs. Orton rivalry is they've had at least three different matches that've been hyped as THE LAST ONE EVER.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 6, 2022 9:16:41 GMT -5
I think they're in the wrong order but otherwise I would agree with that top 10. I enjoyed all the Cena/Orton matches but I know I'm in the minority there. I don't think the hate is that the matches were bad so much as the fact that it'd been done to death (and is actually the most frequently repeated PPV match in WWE history) and there was nothing they could have done that they haven't already.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 6, 2022 9:42:19 GMT -5
Top tier 1. Edge 2. Punk 3. Barrett/Nexus
Good 4. Styles 5. Miz 6. JBL
Would feel worng to exclude 7. Orton
The other people and memes were probably the best parts 8. Carlito 9. Mark Henry 10. Kane
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Post by sunnytaker on Oct 6, 2022 9:44:56 GMT -5
what about the fans?
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Oct 6, 2022 10:20:36 GMT -5
Nah, having Orton as just a "honorable mention" is just ridiculous and the logic is even more cap-tastic. Meanwhile, Cena and Bray had a legendarily awful match on PPV but the Firefly funhouse match gets him on here. Dookie.
Also, the guy who he produced two years worth of interviews and produced the most bought Mania ever with Cena...#7 on the list. Lower than Kevin Owens.
Dude, if you don't wanna make a John Cena rival list, don't make a f***ing John Cena rival list. Embarrassing.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Oct 6, 2022 10:55:58 GMT -5
Bad list, bad site.
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Post by tntchamp on Oct 6, 2022 11:15:41 GMT -5
It for sure has to be Edge as number one. Those two just had great chemistry and worked well with each other in terms of both matches quality and promos. It also had this great feeling of a intense blood feud between two guys who just hated each other. Number two would be Punk imo. I feel their MITB is not only both men's best match but probably one of WWE's best matches in general. Orton I feel has no place on here and it feels like WWE has tried so hard to make it seem like this epic classic feud ala Rock Vs Austin but no one has ever given two craps about their interactions such as the Royal Rumble stare down that got no response or the TLC go home segment where the crowd was more invested in Bryan.
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Oct 6, 2022 11:55:28 GMT -5
I think they're in the wrong order but otherwise I would agree with that top 10. I enjoyed all the Cena/Orton matches but I know I'm in the minority there. I don't think the hate is that the matches were bad so much as the fact that it'd been done to death (and is actually the most frequently repeated PPV match in WWE history) and there was nothing they could have done that they haven't already. Exactly. Fans were hyped for Cena/Orton to begin with. They just dragged it on too long. 2009 when they wrestled on 5 straight PPVs was just ridiculous. When Orton was the IC champ on Raw and Cena was the US champ on Smackdown everyone knew they were the future of the company and people were excited to see them cross paths. Listen to the crowd reaction when they have a brief backstage segment at Summerslam 2004. WWE actually showed some restraint at first and kept them apart for years (not including a one-off match at the Eddie tribute show). By the time they had their first big PPV match at Summerslam 2007 it drew a massive buyrate because there was a lot of interest. They just eventually ran it into the ground.
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Post by Dub H on Oct 6, 2022 13:06:12 GMT -5
Any chocie besies Punk or Edge for number one is wrong.
AAnd yeh Orton v Cena ALWAYS sucked, I think honorable works fine for it.
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Post by bluebeach25 on Oct 6, 2022 14:40:03 GMT -5
1. Cm Punk 2. Edge 3. Brock Lesnar 4. The Rock 5. Kurt Angle 6. Aj Styles 7. Randy Orton 8. Triple H 9. Nexus 10. Bray Wyatt
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Post by Timeless Hayterade on Oct 6, 2022 14:52:34 GMT -5
Edge is, without question, John Cena's greatest rival. Punk is a very close number 2.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 6, 2022 18:06:32 GMT -5
No complaints from me for the top three. I’d have put HBK a little higher, and Jericho’s work with Cena I think gets overlooked, they had nice chemistry when Jericho was in his SRS (not the blogger) mode.
I actually think the first Rock match wasn’t that bad though.
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Post by BayleyTiffyCodyCenaJudyHopps on Oct 8, 2022 11:15:47 GMT -5
Okay here’s my list, just based on personal enjoyment.
1) Edge: He was the perfect matchup for Cena character wise. My ideal pick for who I’d want John’s final match to be against.
2) Styles: A great, simple “I’m the best wrestler” program without any of the meta baggage. Their Summerslam and Rumble matches are insane.
3) HBK: These two made each other better.
4) Randy Orton: Yeah, they overdid it, but I never felt their work was that bad, and that I Quit match is legendary. I think once he became the Viper he was a nice ideal contrast against Cena’s babyface-ness.
5) Punk: While I did have some nitpicks about how they tied Cena to Mr. Mcmahon too much, otherwise Cena and Punk were good rivals and I think Cena did a great job directing the flow of those matches.
6) Kevin Owens: Owens was already great, but he clicked with Cena right away and even though Cena’s got those wins back he had to pull out something extra to pull it off. It reminded me of the Misawa/Jumbo feud in that sense.
7) Jericho: What I like is how Jericho never tried to be cooler than Cena, he acted like a total blow hard both as the Ayatollah and as the serious suit version against Jericho. Their promo in Boston after that Survivor Series is one of my favorites from either guy.
8) Rock: Some of the build felt a little forced in spots, but I think this forced Cena to dig deeper and come off more relatable than Rock in their back and forths.
9) Batista: These two were killing it with each other. John got hurt during that Summerslam match but it was a classic, and their Mania 26 match I feel’s pretty underrated. Plus DUCT TAPE will never stop being funny.
10) Lesnar: He’s the Vader to Cena’s Sting. They’re almost always great together, especially that Extreme Rules match and the triple threat with Seth.
11) Miz: Yeah, I’m going beyond ten, I think Miz does deserve a mention even though their Mania match wasn’t the best. Miz is always just such a perfect asshole that I want John to beat the crap out of him.
12) The Nexus: Everyone craps on the ending, I didn’t mind it. Wade wouldn’t have been a horrible champion but I can see why they went with Miz in the end into Mania, they saw him as more marketable and media savvy I bet. But for a while Nexus did bring some heavy pain on Cena. And I know I’m in the minority but I laughed at a lot of the stupid shit John said about them.
13) Kurt Angle: I’d like to rank it higher, but Kurt bolted for TNA before they could have more great programs. But their PPV matches and that iconic debut, hard for me to ignore those.
14) JBL: Another great foil for Cena in the character department. Their Mania match was too quick, but that I Quit match at Judgement Day is absolute madness. I also love the promo where Cena’s all “I’m not touching you!”
15) Big Show: He was just great at being a bully who the kid fans loved to boo. They weren’t putting on five star classics, but I loved their dynamic, because with Show there was always this vibe of “I’ll get you next time, Cena!” that was kind of Saturday morning charming.
I’ll give honorable nods to Umaga, Cesaro and Danielson because they did legendary stuff with Cena but it’s only that one specific match that stands out for me.
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Post by tirtefaa on Oct 9, 2022 5:19:51 GMT -5
Batista: These two were killing it with each other. John got hurt during that Summerslam match but it was a classic, and their Mania 26 match I feel’s pretty underrated. I'm actually surprised more people don't include Batista on their list. I always thought they had a good backstory and chemistry. Their ascension happened at WrestleMania 21, both guys carried their respective brand for years, and both were multiple time champions before they feuded. Heck, even going back to the 2005 Rumble the seeds were planted with them both being eliminated at the same time by each other. And while I loved their SummerSlam match, the fact that when Batista turned heel, he didn't really change all that much. He was critical of HBK just a year prior regarding his integrity, and while he didn't turn heel at the time, he certainly showed that he didn't care if he was unpopular for calling out Shawn. He did the same with Cena and the promo he cut before WrestleMania 26 let me know that it was going to be the premiere title match over Jericho and Edge. There was a lot of clever things going on. Sure they didn't have an off and on feud like Edge or Orton, but just about everything they did was high caliber. I'll take less good over more bad any time.
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