Andrade claims that AAA main eventers are getting screwed.

[Mochi Lone Wolf]

You'd think they'd be able to pay much more than that considering that they leech off every promotion in existence these days.

[Mozenrath]

I do wonder. I am sure they make quite a bit less than they ought to, if it's anything like how CMLL has had people put up with shitty treatment because it could get them NJPW bookings due to their partnership, or how Gabe Sapolsky paid EVOLVE talent in hardly more than "exposure" because he boasted about EVOLVE's relationship with WWE, so people would grin and bear it. AAA has relationships with many companies right now, so if they're using that as a dangling carrot, that'd certainly be interesting.

There's also an irony in that, by maybe tossing aside his AAA relationship, Andrade might get in good with CMLL and be able to return to NJPW again and not be blocked from doing that due to NJPW's distaste for AAA and partnership with CMLL. I do have to wonder if that's part of his aim here, though yeah, he may also just be genuine in thinking AAA's exploiting people.

[kingoftheindies]

In the same twitter thread Luchablog does say that his understanding is that tv pay is low because it's exposure while the good money is from touring.

Also worth mentioning that Andrade is rumored to have a pretty poor relationship with AAA due to them changing the finish of lsstvyesr's Triplemania

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Like the sun rise , Dorian/AAA continues to be a complete piece of shit.

For anyone aware of the shit he pulled with AAA talent in LU this should not surprise you one single bit.

Vikingo right now has absoloutley no leverage but if he goes stateside and becomes a name don't be f***ing surprised if Dorian pulls shit like trying to trademark his name , look etc because Dorian wants his 95% of that pie , it was the same shit he pulled with Penta and Fenix by trying to copyright their names once they blew up through LU.

[Facetious]

There is a reason why once these guys hit the US indies, they want to tour extensively with them lol.

[This Player Hating Mothman]

Oct 5, 2022 8:15:50 GMT -5 @sigmax said:

Like the sun rise , Dorian/AAA continues to be a complete piece of shit.

For anyone aware of the shit he pulled with AAA talent in LU this should not surprise you one single bit.

Vikingo right now has absoloutley no leverage but if he goes stateside and becomes a name don't be f***ing surprised if Dorian pulls shit like trying to trademark his name , look etc because Dorian wants his 95% of that pie , it was the same shit he pulled with Penta and Fenix by trying to copyright their names once they blew up through LU.

Dorian f***ing with Vikingo would be the most Dorian thing to do. You think he'd learn eventually maybe, but of course not. Vikingo is really, really super obviously a big deal waiting to happen and he's just some mainstream American exposure away from being able to call his own shot. Kenny wants him in AEW, that alone would probably be enough to make Trips make a play for him. Underpaying and f***ing around with someone who is that marketable and that outrageously talented is the kind of move you can only make if you're Dorian. Only Mexico has major players in 2022 who are that dumb.

[pinja]

How can AAA afford to pay its main event talent peanuts when it is Mexico's biggest promotion? Does the talent expect to be discovered by the bigger promotions up north or are there a few select big earners that are used as bait?

[Fundertaker]

Oct 5, 2022 9:46:27 GMT -5 pinja said:

How can AAA afford to pay its main event talent peanuts when it is Mexico's biggest promotion? Does the talent expect to be discovered by the bigger promotions up north or are there a few select big earners that are used as bait?

The wrestlers do want to go to the US to get paid, but they need visas.

[kingoftheindies]

Oct 5, 2022 9:46:27 GMT -5 pinja said:

How can AAA afford to pay its main event talent peanuts when it is Mexico's biggest promotion? Does the talent expect to be discovered by the bigger promotions up north or are there a few select big earners that are used as bait?

twitter.com/luchablog/status/1577449584611278851?t=1IXsrSLicsN7ozBa45u5kg&s=19

[pinja]

Oct 5, 2022 9:58:45 GMT -5 Fundertaker said:

Oct 5, 2022 9:46:27 GMT -5 pinja said:

How can AAA afford to pay its main event talent peanuts when it is Mexico's biggest promotion? Does the talent expect to be discovered by the bigger promotions up north or are there a few select big earners that are used as bait?

The wrestlers do want to go to the US to get paid, but they need visas.

So AAA can lowball wrestlers because they have little alternatives and don't want to commit to the promotion?

[pinja]

Oct 5, 2022 10:20:13 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Oct 5, 2022 9:46:27 GMT -5 pinja said:

How can AAA afford to pay its main event talent peanuts when it is Mexico's biggest promotion? Does the talent expect to be discovered by the bigger promotions up north or are there a few select big earners that are used as bait?

Is that a viable way of doing business in Mexico? This boils down to the question: How is AAA's business structure? Do they depend on money from network deals or do they sustain from house shows?

[Mecca]

Andrade is just going out in a blaze of fire these days.

[Mecca]

Oct 5, 2022 11:06:37 GMT -5 pinja said:

Oct 5, 2022 10:20:13 GMT -5 kingoftheindies said:

Is that a viable way of doing business in Mexico? This boils down to the question: How is AAA's business structure? Do they depend on money from network deals or do they sustain from house shows?

From what I understand no one in Mexico is under contract the way guys are to WWE or AEW, the guys work where they work and don't show up places they know will burn bridges unless they want to do that. Basically they're fully independent contracts. It's why when WWE was rumored to do their worldwide NXT expansion, there was talk they could take whoever they wanted in Mexico if they offered real money because no one is tied down.

So I guess TV Exposure is a decent argument under that system.

[Natural Born Farmer]

Is this saying that the performers are somehow paid more for house shows than for TV tapings, or that the tapings are meant to be commercials for them to raise their asking price from indies?

[Mecca]

Oct 5, 2022 11:19:50 GMT -5 Natural Born Farmer said:

Is this saying that the performers are somehow paid more for house shows than for TV tapings, or that the tapings are meant to be commercials for them to raise their asking price from indies?

I think the idea is that being on TV allows them to ask more money when they work other dates.

[Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby]

Oct 5, 2022 11:09:34 GMT -5 Mecca said:

From what I understand no one in Mexico is under contract the way guys are to WWE or AEW, the guys work where they work and don't show up places they know will burn bridges unless they want to do that. Basically they're fully independent contracts. It's why when WWE was rumored to do their worldwide NXT expansion, there was talk they could take whoever they wanted in Mexico if they offered real money because no one is tied down.

So I guess TV Exposure is a decent argument under that system.

Yeah, to the extent I know anything about Mexican wrestling, there's usually been this sense that the big stars are just working constantly, grinding the hell out of the house shows because the money is in doing a lot of them.

I've assumed that this is why I'll hear about amazing wrestlers out of Mexico but rarely about must-see matches: there's no business incentive for wrestlers to go all out and do a forty-minute epic like there is in Japan and the US, but there's a big incentive for a wrestler to make a brand out of being a living spectacle that you always want to see when he comes to town.

(If I'm wrong, please tell me I'm wrong, I want to know more about this.)

[Mecca]

Oct 5, 2022 11:23:06 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Oct 5, 2022 11:09:34 GMT -5 Mecca said:

From what I understand no one in Mexico is under contract the way guys are to WWE or AEW, the guys work where they work and don't show up places they know will burn bridges unless they want to do that. Basically they're fully independent contracts. It's why when WWE was rumored to do their worldwide NXT expansion, there was talk they could take whoever they wanted in Mexico if they offered real money because no one is tied down.

So I guess TV Exposure is a decent argument under that system.

Yeah, to the extent I know anything about Mexican wrestling, there's usually been this sense that the big stars are just working constantly, grinding the hell out of the house shows because the money is in doing a lot of them.

I've assumed that this is why I'll hear about amazing wrestlers out of Mexico but rarely about must-see matches: there's no business incentive for wrestlers to go all out and do a forty-minute epic like there is in Japan and the US, but there's a big incentive for a wrestler to make a brand out of being a living spectacle that you always want to see when he comes to town.

(If I'm wrong, please tell me I'm wrong, I want to know more about this.)

That explains why a guy like Mistico was literally working so many dates when he was a big deal, and on top of that why most of them jump at offers from American promotions even if it's just to work in the lower card.

["Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay]

My sweaty f***boy bringing the shoot interview fire

Burn the whole thing down bruh

[chrom]

Oct 5, 2022 11:24:57 GMT -5 Mecca said:

Oct 5, 2022 11:23:06 GMT -5 Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby said:

Yeah, to the extent I know anything about Mexican wrestling, there's usually been this sense that the big stars are just working constantly, grinding the hell out of the house shows because the money is in doing a lot of them.

I've assumed that this is why I'll hear about amazing wrestlers out of Mexico but rarely about must-see matches: there's no business incentive for wrestlers to go all out and do a forty-minute epic like there is in Japan and the US, but there's a big incentive for a wrestler to make a brand out of being a living spectacle that you always want to see when he comes to town.

(If I'm wrong, please tell me I'm wrong, I want to know more about this.)

That explains why a guy like Mistico was literally working so many dates when he was a big deal, and on top of that why most of them jump at offers from American promotions even if it's just to work in the lower card.

You can make more in WWE doing Main Event and House Shows than you can in a month in Mexico.

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Think about it like this...there is a reason so many Mexican talent wanna work stateside but stateside guys and gals never wanna return to working in Mexico or just plain ole never wanna work down there period.

I know I have heard swerve did one show down there for AAA (this is before he got to WWE etc) vowd to never work there ever again.