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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 12, 2022 19:31:51 GMT -5
As usual I always start this shit up like 2 months early and we got some official matches set up already so can predict and speculate on the rest IWGP HW Championship Kazuchika Okada Vs Jay White (C) IWGP Jr HW Championship Master Wato Vs El Desperado vs Hiromu Takahashi vs Taiji Ishimori (C) NJPW TV Championship Ren Narita vs Zack Sabre Jr IWGP US Heavyweight Championship Will Ospreay (C) vs Kenny Omega IWGP Women's Championship Kairi (C) vs Tam Nakano
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Post by chrom on Oct 12, 2022 19:37:57 GMT -5
WK returns to being a one night event
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Post by EZ: Brainy Bae on Oct 12, 2022 19:56:16 GMT -5
Are they not doing Power Struggle this year? That's what I thought the 4-way would be for.
Okada/White is going to be amazing
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Post by chrom on Oct 12, 2022 21:03:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2022 5:22:39 GMT -5
I just can't get excited for Okada-White. Like the match will be good I'm sure, but I've no particular need or interest to see it again. Feels over done and there's not enough of a story to justify coming back to this well.
The four way as well, as I've stated elsewhere feels very lazy. The undercard is gonna have to do a lot of heavy lifting, for me at least.
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Post by GodzillaIsMyMonster on Oct 13, 2022 5:54:31 GMT -5
Man.... I don't follow Japanese wrestling as much as I used to... but everything I've seen of Jay White... just isn't good.
I don't get it.
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Post by lockedontarget on Oct 13, 2022 14:33:27 GMT -5
He’s excellent in the ring and on the mic. What’s not to get?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 13, 2022 14:46:26 GMT -5
He’s excellent in the ring and on the mic. What’s not to get? Yeah, the man is a star. He's basically Cerebral Assassin HHH before the quad injuries and at a higher work rate. Like it takes a lot of work for him to be a wrestler who counters off each guy move while keeping the match flowing In regards to him and Okada, I don't think it is played out at all. If not for the pandemic, this match would most likely happened already for the title. Jay White has many victories over Okada including 1 at WK already in a one on one match. I expect Okada to win this but wouldn't be surprised if White retained and dropped it to the Cup winner. Either way it is the main event they have wanted to put on for the longest behind Okada/Naito III (which they did 2 years ago)
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Post by lockedontarget on Oct 13, 2022 16:11:43 GMT -5
White and Okada’s rivalry is something I wish we had gotten with Cena back in the day. The ace babyface who always wins runs into a guy that just completely has their number in the long term, and throws them off their game. It puts Okada in this unfamiliar, uncomfortable territory and gives him a real mountain to climb. That Dominion match was so compelling in how Jay just completely deconstructed him in a way that was almost humiliating. It gives our hero a real final boss and makes him a legitimate underdog.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 14, 2022 20:36:29 GMT -5
White and Okada’s rivalry is something I wish we had gotten with Cena back in the day. The ace babyface who always wins runs into a guy that just completely has their number in the long term, and throws them off their game. It puts Okada in this unfamiliar, uncomfortable territory and gives him a real mountain to climb. That Dominion match was so compelling in how Jay just completely deconstructed him in a way that was almost humiliating. It gives our hero a real final boss and makes him a legitimate underdog. Jay White has become That One Boss of New Japan pro wrestling to every main eventer. 5-2 Vs. Tanahashi 2-1 Vs. Naito 4-1 Vs. Okada The only main eventer with even a 50/50 against him is Ibushi. Making matters more compelling between him and Okada is that only one of those wins was not clean.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 14, 2022 22:44:09 GMT -5
White and Okada’s rivalry is something I wish we had gotten with Cena back in the day. The ace babyface who always wins runs into a guy that just completely has their number in the long term, and throws them off their game. It puts Okada in this unfamiliar, uncomfortable territory and gives him a real mountain to climb. That Dominion match was so compelling in how Jay just completely deconstructed him in a way that was almost humiliating. It gives our hero a real final boss and makes him a legitimate underdog. Jay White has become That One Boss of New Japan pro wrestling to every main eventer. 5-2 Vs. Tanahashi 2-1 Vs. Naito 4-1 Vs. Okada The only main eventer with even a 50/50 against him is Ibushi. Making matters more compelling between him and Okada is that only one of those wins was not clean. Yeah, Ibushi has whooped his ass a few times and has his number I am more shocked they have had only 5 matches but Gedo likes to save these marquee matchups as he basically didn't even have Naito/Okada look at each other much less wrestle in between their matchups
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2022 0:54:19 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not that into Jay. He's good, and probably their most effective heel, but I do feel like if it wasn't for Anderson's short time as leader, he'd be the weakest Bullet Club leader in terms of angles. Thankfully great matches, just, eh, not the most compelling character sometimes because he just really does not care about anything. It was a little better when he was cool with the Tongans, but now only Fale's still got his back, so he ultimately feels even less attached to the Bullet Club.
All that being said, I'm cool with him main eventing, and Okada's the most reasonable opponent. I do hope that whoever wins (probably Okada) that this is their last match for a while. I'm kind of burned out on their feud, which has been off and on since Jay betrayed CHAOS years ago. Part of me wonders, if Jay does retain, if he'll lose the belt to someone who hasn't been champion yet in a Nakanishi-like fashion, someone at their last chance for it. Goto, Ishii, KENTA, Suzuki, someone like that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2022 1:59:12 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not that into Jay. He's good, and probably their most effective heel, but I do feel like if it wasn't for Anderson's short time as leader, he'd be the weakest Bullet Club leader in terms of angles. Thankfully great matches, just, eh, not the most compelling character sometimes because he just really does not care about anything. It was a little better when he was cool with the Tongans, but now only Fale's still got his back, so he ultimately feels even less attached to the Bullet Club. All that being said, I'm cool with him main eventing, and Okada's the most reasonable opponent. I do hope that whoever wins (probably Okada) that this is their last match for a while. I'm kind of burned out on their feud, which has been off and on since Jay betrayed CHAOS years ago. Part of me wonders, if Jay does retain, if he'll lose the belt to someone who hasn't been champion yet in a Nakanishi-like fashion, someone at their last chance for it. Goto, Ishii, KENTA, Suzuki, someone like that. I never liked them giving Jay White Bullet Club. He should had his own group under his own image
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 2:25:53 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not that into Jay. He's good, and probably their most effective heel, but I do feel like if it wasn't for Anderson's short time as leader, he'd be the weakest Bullet Club leader in terms of angles. Thankfully great matches, just, eh, not the most compelling character sometimes because he just really does not care about anything. It was a little better when he was cool with the Tongans, but now only Fale's still got his back, so he ultimately feels even less attached to the Bullet Club. All that being said, I'm cool with him main eventing, and Okada's the most reasonable opponent. I do hope that whoever wins (probably Okada) that this is their last match for a while. I'm kind of burned out on their feud, which has been off and on since Jay betrayed CHAOS years ago. Part of me wonders, if Jay does retain, if he'll lose the belt to someone who hasn't been champion yet in a Nakanishi-like fashion, someone at their last chance for it. Goto, Ishii, KENTA, Suzuki, someone like that. I never liked them giving Jay White Bullet Club. He should had his own group under his own image I think in the long run being tied to Bullet Club has hurt Jay more than helped. Mostly because the stable and it's imagery/vibe is way past its sell by date and probably should have wrapped up a couple of years ago. By being so closely associated Jay gets smeared by the rot coming off BC and it taints him.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2022 6:47:28 GMT -5
I never liked them giving Jay White Bullet Club. He should had his own group under his own image I think in the long run being tied to Bullet Club has hurt Jay more than helped. Mostly because the stable and it's imagery/vibe is way past its sell by date and probably should have wrapped up a couple of years ago. By being so closely associated Jay gets smeared by the rot coming off BC and it taints him. To a degree, but I think the bigger hurt was that he got the world title when he wasn't really at that level yet. It's not the only time Gedo has done that, since he gave it to Okada when he was still trying to make it work, too, and both guys did grow into the role, but it made it VERY obvious they were throwing everything behind Jay, and coming off of Omega leaving, it did make Jay look like a try-hard.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 15, 2022 6:52:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm not that into Jay. He's good, and probably their most effective heel, but I do feel like if it wasn't for Anderson's short time as leader, he'd be the weakest Bullet Club leader in terms of angles. Thankfully great matches, just, eh, not the most compelling character sometimes because he just really does not care about anything. It was a little better when he was cool with the Tongans, but now only Fale's still got his back, so he ultimately feels even less attached to the Bullet Club. All that being said, I'm cool with him main eventing, and Okada's the most reasonable opponent. I do hope that whoever wins (probably Okada) that this is their last match for a while. I'm kind of burned out on their feud, which has been off and on since Jay betrayed CHAOS years ago. Part of me wonders, if Jay does retain, if he'll lose the belt to someone who hasn't been champion yet in a Nakanishi-like fashion, someone at their last chance for it. Goto, Ishii, KENTA, Suzuki, someone like that. I never liked them giving Jay White Bullet Club. He should had his own group under his own image It would have probably helped if they had given him a protege, like someone outside of Gedo who was a Jay guy, sort of a group within a group like the Elite had been. Bad as it's been, that's something EVIL with House of Torture has done more effectively than him. I honestly think KENTA would be a better leader, so if Jay loses to OKada, have KENTA put him out of his mistery with a Go 2 Sleep and assume control. BC is long in the tooth, to say the least, but it sells t-shirts, do I know they're not going to likely kill it anytime soon.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Oct 15, 2022 8:10:11 GMT -5
He’s excellent in the ring and on the mic. What’s not to get? Yeah, the man is a star. He's basically Cerebral Assassin HHH before the quad injuries and at a higher work rate. Like it takes a lot of work for him to be a wrestler who counters off each guy move while keeping the match flowingThis is it right here. The answer to what people see in Jay White is right here. "Wrestler who works a heavily counter-based offense where he just nopes the hell out of top dudes' shit and turns it around into something to slap them down with" sounds like a character idea someone came up with playing Day of Reckoning. Like someone's funny cool gimmick idea they get week four of wrestling school and everyone rolls their eyes over it because no you're a newbie nobody is putting you out like that shut up. But Jay White's really done it, and he's made it awesome. New Japan is even the perfect match style to run that kind of act in. It's great.
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Post by Some Baritone guy IS REDEEMED! on Oct 15, 2022 8:13:08 GMT -5
Jay White has become That One Boss of New Japan pro wrestling to every main eventer. 5-2 Vs. Tanahashi 2-1 Vs. Naito 4-1 Vs. Okada The only main eventer with even a 50/50 against him is Ibushi. Making matters more compelling between him and Okada is that only one of those wins was not clean. Yeah, Ibushi has whooped his ass a few times and has his number I am more shocked they have had only 5 matches but Gedo likes to save these marquee matchups as he basically didn't even have Naito/Okada look at each other much less wrestle in between their matchups His WK victory over White utterly shattered him and very nearly made him quit wrestling at large. Frankly I don't even mind that Okada is going to beat White in this one. He's made Jay look like a massive star and i don't think Jay returning the favor in the dome is going to hurt him much.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2022 9:42:22 GMT -5
I think in the long run being tied to Bullet Club has hurt Jay more than helped. Mostly because the stable and it's imagery/vibe is way past its sell by date and probably should have wrapped up a couple of years ago. By being so closely associated Jay gets smeared by the rot coming off BC and it taints him. To a degree, but I think the bigger hurt was that he got the world title when he wasn't really at that level yet. It's not the only time Gedo has done that, since he gave it to Okada when he was still trying to make it work, too, and both guys did grow into the role, but it made it VERY obvious they were throwing everything behind Jay, and coming off of Omega leaving, it did make Jay look like a try-hard. I mean you're not wrong. It was a perfect storm of White really not being ready and a gimmick that was still developing. I know of lots of people who still write off Jay because of that period when he's grown leaps and bounds and really is that main event talent now. And do BC still shift merch? Because any live show I've been to the bc shirts on display were very old.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Oct 15, 2022 10:03:07 GMT -5
Yeah, Ibushi has whooped his ass a few times and has his number I am more shocked they have had only 5 matches but Gedo likes to save these marquee matchups as he basically didn't even have Naito/Okada look at each other much less wrestle in between their matchups His WK victory over White utterly shattered him and very nearly made him quit wrestling at large. Frankly I don't even mind that Okada is going to beat White in this one. He's made Jay look like a massive star and i don't think Jay returning the favor in the dome is going to hurt him much. Okada needs the W. Jay is made and this is not the last time they will matchup at WK. This is their new Okada/Tanahashi if they want it to be and they obviously do
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