💰👑 Official Crown Jewel Thread - Nov 5, 2022

["Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik]

This sounds like a bit more than we've seen in the past:

[DrBackflipsHoffman]

that is one of the grossest things ive ever seen but watching HHH and Steph have to perform like total assholes like this is as funny as it is gross so I dunno man, I dunno

[Bo Rida]

How strange seeing a feminist icon acting like that in a country where a woman was recently given a 34-year prison sentence merely for liking and retweeting posts by a feminist activist.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter

Well there goes any remaining hope they'll do the bare minimum to honour the deal and get out. Or do the shows but not the full propaganda. They're fully committed.

[welshpenguin]

Loved the fans chanting “Ucey” 🤣 Being an Uce brakes all language barriers!

[hbkid718]

Here's my Crown Jewel Preview

[XIII]

Nov 4, 2022 14:23:44 GMT -5 Bo Rida said:

How strange seeing a feminist icon acting like that in a country where a woman was recently given a 34-year prison sentence merely for liking and retweeting posts by a feminist activist.

www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/16/saudi-woman-given-34-year-prison-sentence-for-using-twitter

Well there goes any remaining hope they'll do the bare minimum to honour the deal and get out. Or do the shows but not the full propaganda. They're fully committed.

I saw something the other day where they get around $50M for each one of these shows. These shows make more bank than WM and that’s why they’ll continue for as long as the Saudi’s want to do it. It’s disgusting, but they’ve made their choice and they choose to be a puppet of KSA for big money. 

[Clutchhausen]

@ Gunther not on the card.

[mistery]

It's been said elsewhere, but if WWE wants people to actually get invested into a Damage CTRL vs Bianca and Friends War Games match, then Damage CTRL need to walk out with gold tonight in some form. Whether it be Bianca losing the title, Alexa/Asuka losing the tag titles, or both. If Damage CTRL walks out with nothing, the group is done. Has zero credibility. Losers.

WWE changing the tag titles on Monday was yet another really dumb decision on the part of Triple H if you wanted Damage CTRL to maintain any semblance of credibility.

[Nr1Humanoid]

HHH may be more professional than Vince but sure has about the same amount of creativity.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Nov 5, 2022 7:54:59 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

HHH may be more professional than Vince but sure has about the same amount of creativity.

Yeah, but what are we pushing? The revolutionary idea of “MY favourite should win every match and never ever lose or look weak, not this other person”. Seriously, everyone’s thought of it.

[mistery]

Nov 5, 2022 7:57:41 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Nov 5, 2022 7:54:59 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

HHH may be more professional than Vince but sure has about the same amount of creativity.

Yeah, but what are we pushing? The revolutionary idea of “MY favourite should win every match and never ever lose or look weak, not this other person”. Seriously, everyone’s thought of it.

I mean its not a stretch to say that if the babyfaces are constantly chumping on the heels then it kills any sort of interest in War Games. Especially when its been happening almost nonstop for four months now.

[polarbearpete]

Nov 5, 2022 8:16:00 GMT -5 mistery said:

Nov 5, 2022 7:57:41 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Yeah, but what are we pushing? The revolutionary idea of “MY favourite should win every match and never ever lose or look weak, not this other person”. Seriously, everyone’s thought of it.

I mean its not a stretch to say that if the babyfaces are constantly chumping on the heels then it kills any sort of interest in War Games. Especially when its been happening almost nonstop for four months now.

Heels can always just do heel things and get their heat back (good heels at least).

[mistery]

Nov 5, 2022 8:34:29 GMT -5 polarbearpete said:

Nov 5, 2022 8:16:00 GMT -5 mistery said:

I mean its not a stretch to say that if the babyfaces are constantly chumping on the heels then it kills any sort of interest in War Games. Especially when its been happening almost nonstop for four months now.

Heels can always just do heel things and get their heat back (good heels at least).

The more Damage CTRL loses, the harder it is to take them seriously. Why should a casual fan take them seriously if they never come out on top of anything really? Because right now, they are absolute losers, and that's how most fans see them. Which is likely why they struggle to get strong reactions. Because Triple H is too afraid to actually make a strong heel faction that can stand up to Bianca. Along with refusing to ever make her truly face any sort of adversity.

[A Little Doo Doo]

Nov 5, 2022 7:54:59 GMT -5 Nr1Humanoid said:

HHH may be more professional than Vince but sure has about the same amount of creativity.

I think the shows are better, but there have been some really head scratching booking decisions since he's taken over.

[mistery]

Also don't be shocked if Damage CTRL looks really weak tonight, as Petey Williams is producing both of their matches according to PWInsider. And whenever they look incredibly bad, he's the one who is producing their stuff. As for match placement:

SPOILER: Click to show

{Spoiler}{SPOILER: CLICK TO SHOW}
Bianca/Bayley is the co-main, while Asuka/Alexa vs Iyo/Dakota is the second match on the card. Bobby/Brock is opening the show.

[EoE: Well There's Your Problem]

Nov 5, 2022 8:16:00 GMT -5 mistery said:

Nov 5, 2022 7:57:41 GMT -5 EoE: Well There's Your Problem said:

Yeah, but what are we pushing? The revolutionary idea of “MY favourite should win every match and never ever lose or look weak, not this other person”. Seriously, everyone’s thought of it.

I mean its not a stretch to say that if the babyfaces are constantly chumping on the heels then it kills any sort of interest in War Games. Especially when its been happening almost nonstop for four months now.

...

Dude... I don't know what else to say here anymore. You spend day after day, week after week on here, nitpicking every little thing that happens with this group like you actually have some kind of investment in it beyond merely being a fan of these wrestlers. As far as I can see, you literally only post here when its about the booking of this group. You're literally at the point now where you have a specific agent who is out to get them, apparently.

I get wanting them to win all the time. I'm a sports fan, of course I want my teams to win every time and I get in a shitty mood when they don't. And I know wrestling is different because it has the added wrinkle of it not being a real sport, thus every time someone is picking who wins, sometimes based on what the next step of the story is, sometimes based on their own personal biases.

What I'm trying to say is... Stop taking this so personally. It really really honest-to-God, feels like you get deeply offended on a personal level when Bayley, Iyo Sky and/or Dakota Kai is written to lose a fake pro wrestling match or to get beaten down by babyfaces. And you are so offended and miserable as a result, you project that onto Pamela Martinez, Masami Odate and Cheree Crowley, the actresses playing these fictional characters, as though THEY should be offended and miserable too. Could they be? Possibly, I've never met them, I don't know. But you just worry about you in that regard. They're grown-ass women, they don't need you worrying for them like that.

And I'm aware of the irony of making a big post about another poster like it bothers me on a personal level, but it isn't just you, it's a lot of wrestling fandom. We take this SO PERSONALLY, and for someone like me who has spent the last few years watching wrestling almost on a completely analytical level for my points rankings, it's staggering how impossible it is to actually, you know, book this shit. Damage CTRL get booked strong at Belair's expense? Her fanbase arcs up. "But they already ate"... They're gonna want to keep eating, nobody's ever full. Meanwhile off to the side, the fanbases for the likes of Dana Brooke and Sonya Deville (among others) are just frothing at the mouths because their favourites don't even have a seat at the table, let alone a plate. And it just all becomes noise. Endless noise. And we expect WWE, or any other wrestling promotion really, to somehow try and decipher that noise to make EVERYONE happy?

[mistery]

You absolutely cannot argue against the fact that Damage CTRL has been booked incredibly poorly and their fans have every single goddamn right to be pissed about it. Three women who are incredibly talented and should be pushed as actual STARS are being treated like lower midcarders just to put over already firmly established acts who don't need it. And I am sorry but WWE's track record of treating incredibly talented women like Iyo and Dakota in particular is incredibly poor. It's not a stretch to say that its unlikely Bayley proposed this faction just so Bianca can essentially bury them because god forbid she ever face any adversity or setbacks to overcome. Because not once has she ever sold the group as an actual threat. In fact she has done nothing but constantly bury them in the ring by no selling or completely dominating the matches they are in.

Now imagine how that looks to a casual fan. It makes Iyo and Dakota look incredibly weak and basically portrays them as women you should not expect to ever find actual meaningful success in the company. And as a result, they aren't going to get fan support, which is by design. Because WWE only wants you to support Bianca. Not anyone else.

Triple H is an absolutely terrible booker when it comes to Damage CTRL and he (and WWE) deserves all of the flak thrown at him for it. Because for better or for worse, at least Vince (if he had greenlit the idea) would have booked them as effective heels (that Bianca would have to sell as a threat) instead of "just minor nuisances Bianca easily overcomes".

And the difference between Damage CTRL and other women is that Damage CTRL was botched from basically their first night on RAW because Triple H was too afraid to make Bianca look weak. And then he did all sorts of incredibly dumb swerves which harmed them even more. He's botched pretty much every aspect of Damage CTRL at this point, and people have every right to complain about it.

[XIII]

Welp I’ll be here to dunk on this fiasco today.

Actually looking forward to a few of the matches, Brock v. Lashley should be good for the 4 minutes that it lasts. lol

[mor666gie]

I'm going out on a limb here but,
Braun v Omos will be match of the night

[J is Justice]

I might miss the first half of this show, unfortunately. I'll be putting my trust in Hypnosis to post my Liv gifs while I'm gone!! Hopefully, I don't miss Braun versus Omos, at least.