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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 1, 2023 2:05:18 GMT -5
Not much of the main universe here sounds interesting. Swamp Thing I'd rather be Season 2 of the DC Universe show. I'll bite for Booster Gold. Lanterns could be interesting, and the art looks like Gabriel Hardman's Earth One run, which is a different look and feel for Green Lantern that I can appreciate.
But hearing about how connected and consistent WB, Gunn, Safran, et al. want to make DC movies and TV sounds kind of boring.
Superhero movies desperately need more diversity of style and substance. But it seems like the internet wants more uniformity and homogeneity from these type of movies, which *shurgs*.
I'm in for the Elseworlds stuff, though: the Matt Reeves Batman universe, Phillips' Folie a Deux.
Give me stuff like Golden Age Sandman, Shade the Changing Man, Jack Knight Starman, Big Barda and Mister Miracle, the Blackhawks, Sgt. Rock and Easy Company, Lady Cop, Fire and Ice, Jonah Hex, Warlord. Or stuff that has the vibe of stuff already done like Doom Patrol or Legends of Tomorrow. Or redo stuff that deserved better like Gotham Central.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2023 2:27:22 GMT -5
Gunn was put in charge of DC basically to make them Marvel money.
The Roadmap shows that Gunn was paying attention to how the superhero universe was made and is applying the same techniques.
it also shows a clear direction and setup on how to get that. which is something they never really had regardless of what others have said.
Will it work? That depends on the quality of the scripts, word of mouth, acting, budgets... and everything else that's completely impossible to judge at this point. But it's possible, and what literally what the entire company is banking on.
Cause WB is still on the brink and need a win, (there stock was literally like 8 bucks a month ago which is HALF what it was when they split from AT&T) and the only person that gave them any big success of any kind was Gunn with the Suicide Squad and Peacemaker.
As for stuff that's not already been done, Swamp Thing as a straight up body horror movie (Especially with Gunn signing off on the effects) and the Creature Commandos are not really anything like what's been done before.
edit: I'll go so far as to say that if Gunn actually pulls this off they're in a better position than Marvel will be. Cause the people that made Marvel most of their money is gone. So it's be basically a bunch of untested new heroes vs. The Justice League.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 1, 2023 3:07:42 GMT -5
Gunn was put in charge of DC basically to make them Marvel money. The Roadmap shows that Gunn was paying attention to how the superhero universe was made and is applying the same techniques. it also shows a clear direction and setup on how to get that. which is something they never really had regardless of what others have said. Will it work? That depends on the quality of the scripts, word of mouth, acting, budgets... and everything else that's completely impossible to judge at this point. But it's possible, and what literally what the entire company is banking on. Cause WB is still on the brink and need a win, (there stock was literally like 8 bucks a month ago which is HALF what it was when they split from AT&T) and the only person that gave them any big success of any kind was Gunn with the Suicide Squad and Peacemaker. As for stuff that's not already been done, Swamp Thing as a straight up body horror movie (Especially with Gunn signing off on the effects) and the Creature Commandos are not really anything like what's been done before. edit: I'll go so far as to say that if Gunn actually pulls this off they're in a better position than Marvel will be. Cause the people that made Marvel most of their money is gone. So it's be basically a bunch of untested new heroes vs. The Justice League. Oh, no, I totally understand what's happening, but I still don't think DC chasing Marvel bucks is very exciting, creatively speaking. I don't think Marvel currently chasing itself to capture past glories is that exciting creatively, either. Prove me wrong, James Gunn, please. (and the Peacemaker TV show works as well as it does because it doesn't feel at all like Marvel, or other typical superhero comic book TV shows. It's like a Vertigo book made for the modern age and come to life!) But over the past 15 years, fans of comic book movies have convinced themselves that what Marvel and Disney have done is the *only* way to do a cinematic universe, hell, the only way to do comic book movies. And they've complained loudly and consistently about this especially in the face of the Snyderverse flicks. "Why can't DC just do what Marvel does?" has been a question frequently asked in this board's Snyder rebutters thread to talk about the Snyder Cut and the Snyder cutters, as a local example. Which, when I hear such a question, sounds like "why can't these movies be even more formulaic?" The formula works, it makes lots of money, but it's also empty calories., it's unfulfilling when it's the same thing over and over. After 15 years of the MCU, and after the downturn that has been Phase 4 specifically, DC is once again trying to copy Marvel. And I can't help but feel like:
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Post by eJm on Feb 1, 2023 3:22:23 GMT -5
I also feel like we’re jumping to conclusions that haven’t even been shown yet. A lot of the stuff Gunn’s talking about won’t be out until 2025 at the earliest, possibly 2026 if they want time between that and The Batman II and such.
I’m not saying they might not happen or it goes the way people think it will but we’re judging off of descriptions and a couple of actual images/comic book art that already exists. It seems weird to jump to that, especially when Gunn himself emphasized creative vision over keeping things the same across several projects.
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2023 12:03:57 GMT -5
There's a huge difference between wanting to keep things connected in-universe and making things homogeneous creatively. The comics and styles cited as inspiration are very different creatively. Like how Legends of Tomorrow is very different from Arrow and Flash, but they exist in the same shared universe.
And the DCEU was creatively consistent and formulaic already. It was just a really bad formula.
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Post by eJm on Feb 1, 2023 12:12:37 GMT -5
There's a huge difference between wanting to keep things connected in-universe and making things homogeneous creatively. And the DCEU was creatively consistent and formulaic already. It was just a really bad formula. Yeah, like, a lot of the choices were being revolved around people who you weren’t going to lead a cinematic universe with but rather people who could supplement something more creative. Having Zack Snyder take the forefront of the DCEU is sort of the same idea as having Kenneth Branagh forefronting the MCU. Give them a side character or an origin story, go for it. Being the Russos or Whedon of the thing? Absolutely not. EDIT: Also to add, for the talk of creative formula, the new Batman’s debuting with a kid, the Lanterns are solving crimes, Supergirl’s going around the universe in a swashbuckling adventure and the Amazons are getting their own GoT. I wouldn’t call that staleness as much as pushing the envelope on a lot of characters the public’s somewhat familiar with.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Feb 1, 2023 12:54:22 GMT -5
Also the Henry Cavill stuff is definitely a shame, but I mean, it's nobody's fault that happened the way it did. If anything, Rock probably shouldn't have brought him back for that cameo if they weren't going to use him going forward, but whatev. That's the thing, Rock had every intention of using Cavill going forward, but it was completely dependent on Rock getting the top job instead of Gunn. Considering we could have been looking at the Black Adam Cinematic Universe, I can safely say Gunn was the better choice by far. Which does lead to the question of who told Henry to announce he was back as Superman before he had so much as signed a new picture deal. It looks to me like his return was entirely contingent on Black Adam's success, and the movie had not so much as made it's budged back (and still hasn't), much less turned a profit, when he went public with his return.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 1, 2023 13:07:57 GMT -5
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Post by eJm on Feb 1, 2023 13:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Feb 1, 2023 13:12:06 GMT -5
I want Electric Blue Superman damnit!
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 1, 2023 13:14:45 GMT -5
Which does lead to the question of who told Henry to announce he was back as Superman before he had so much as signed a new picture deal. It looks to me like his return was entirely contingent on Black Adam's success, and the movie had not so much as made it's budged back (and still hasn't), much less turned a profit, when he went public with his return. Cavill claims that he was told by management to make the announcement. Which management is open to question, but to do so knowing no contracts had actually been signed or were even on the table perfectly encapsulates DC's complete lack of planning in the last few years.
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Post by thechase on Feb 1, 2023 13:51:15 GMT -5
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Feb 1, 2023 14:11:42 GMT -5
I want Electric Blue Superman damnit! Electric Blue was aweewsssome but it might be the nostalgia talking. As for trunks/no trunks, Trunks. A no trunks Superman looks weird to me. It takes something away from the classic babyface good guy Superman appeal to me. ..that being said, I get peoples complaints and how it can look “silly”. I wish they could find a middle-ground.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 1, 2023 15:05:50 GMT -5
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Feb 1, 2023 16:45:57 GMT -5
And Len Wein would have been like: "I've seen worse!"
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2023 17:25:00 GMT -5
You know someone is going to ask him about it too... can we leave the cranky wizard alone
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 1, 2023 17:26:20 GMT -5
also trunks full stop.
Not having them makes just a sea of blue on his body that is crying to be broken up and a small detail like a belt doesn't do enough to differentiate it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2023 17:33:47 GMT -5
Its real simple for me personally: I'll wait until they start coming out in a few years and then I'll decide which ones I want to watch and which ones I like.
A crazy approach I know.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Feb 1, 2023 21:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by Cyno on Feb 1, 2023 22:56:52 GMT -5
He's not wrong. Like between all the studio interference, Snyder doing his own thing in spite of what the studio actually asked of him, backstage politicking, a holding pattern for a lot of these popular characters, and everything else, it was just pure chaos. The DCEU was probably doomed from the start when the WB execs got the completely wrong message from the success of the Nolan Batman trilogy thinking we wanted allDC superhero movies with that same tone.
I'm hoping that since Gunn is a creative himself, he'll be able to balance his peers' egos and desires better than a corporate suit would.
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