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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2022 4:28:43 GMT -5
I just don't see why you'd ask these guys about the MCU in the first place. You've got 10 minutes with one of the greatest living directors, quick ask em bout Kang!
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Post by lucas_lee on Nov 25, 2022 14:54:23 GMT -5
Bold move of Simu Liu to make yourself look this bad. Hes been doing that for a while haha
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Post by Ronny Rayguns Is All Elite on Nov 25, 2022 15:50:15 GMT -5
Everything he said in those quotes is a perfectly reasonable opinion, expressed politely. Seriously! he was on a show, they asked his opinion and he gave it. Is he supposed to lie and say he loves those films? The idea that anything less than full throated praise is disrespect is tiresome
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Post by DSR on Nov 25, 2022 18:07:17 GMT -5
I just don't see why you'd ask these guys about the MCU in the first place. You've got 10 minutes with one of the greatest living directors, quick ask em bout Kang! Gotta get them clicks! *shrug*
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 25, 2022 19:27:35 GMT -5
I just don't see why you'd ask these guys about the MCU in the first place. You've got 10 minutes with one of the greatest living directors, quick ask em bout Kang! Gotta get them clicks! *shrug* Yeah it's just like asking Moore about Watchmen when you could instead have a convo about creativity and magic
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Post by wildojinx on Nov 26, 2022 19:11:03 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in what people who made superhero films in the past have to say about the Marvel films. Are the Salkinds (from the Superman films) still alive?
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Nov 26, 2022 19:24:39 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in what people who made superhero films in the past have to say about the Marvel films. Are the Salkinds (from the Superman films) still alive? Ilya is. His father Alexander passed in 1997.
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Post by Limity (BLM) on Nov 26, 2022 20:40:13 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in what people who made superhero films in the past have to say about the Marvel films. Are the Salkinds (from the Superman films) still alive? This is a good question. Before the MCU perfected and homogenized the superhero genre, before they were sure fire money makers outside of the big two of Batman and Superman, what was it like? And how do they look at the state of superhero movies now? I've heard the 2000s selling off of rights as a kind of wild west time for superhero movies. No formula, it was just whatever studio bought the rights and off they went. That was how you ended up with Mad Max's George Miller almost making a Justice League movie.
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Post by chrom on Nov 26, 2022 20:45:48 GMT -5
I'd be more interested in what people who made superhero films in the past have to say about the Marvel films. Are the Salkinds (from the Superman films) still alive? This is a good question. Before the MCU perfected and homogenized the superhero genre, before they were sure fire money makers outside of the big two of Batman and Superman, what was it like? And how do they look at the state of superhero movies now? I've heard the 2000s selling off of rights as a kind of wild west time for superhero movies. No formula, it was just whatever studio bought the rights and off they went. That was how you ended up with Mad Max's George Miller almost making a Justice League movie. Until Iron Man, with a few exceptions like Superman, the first Batman movie and Spider-Man 1 and 2, most saw comic book movies as turn off your brain and ignore the bad acting as those who signed on to them were just in for an easy paycheck.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 26, 2022 21:16:12 GMT -5
It is interesting because Iron Man was like a mid tier hero at best in terms of cultural relevance outside of comics fans. It was a hell of a risk making his movie the first one in this ambitious idea of a shared universe because he wasn't Spidey or the X-men.
So Iron Man couldn't just be average or decent. It had to be great. And it was. Tbh, a big part of why it worked was RDJ being a great Tony Stark.
Like imagine what the state of Warner Bros would be like now if the Green Lantern movie was as well received as Iron Man was. Or if they didn't hand the keys to the DC franchise to someone as divisive as Zack Snyder.
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Post by schma on Nov 26, 2022 23:27:27 GMT -5
The funny thing about this critique is that it's not entirely new. Even 20 years ago I remember hearing about how things were shifting in Hollywood and the stars were no longer the draw. People wouldn't just blindly go see a movie because it was Arnold or Willis or Dicaprio or Roberts, etc (probably because every major star since at least the 80s has had one or more notable train wrecks). However, there is still a contingent that would I think. A big part of it though is the sheer price of going to the cinema these days. Even concessions can run you $20 for 1-2 people. Bring a family and oof. I generally don't go to the cinema unless its a movie that I think will be enhanced by the location, so basically an action or superhero movie. There could be an argument for comedies since I find they are best when viewed with others but audiences for that are crapshoots. Plus most of the time when I go, the cinema is mostly empty.
As a comic fan I am going for the characters and I see no issue with that. I'm still at the cinema, still enjoying movies. Yeah it's different than someone 37 years older than me would like, but that's not surprising.
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Post by schma on Nov 26, 2022 23:40:02 GMT -5
It is interesting because Iron Man was like a mid tier hero at best in terms of cultural relevance outside of comics fans. It was a hell of a risk making his movie the first one in this ambitious idea of a shared universe because he wasn't Spidey or the X-men. So Iron Man couldn't just be average or decent. It had to be great. And it was. Tbh, a big part of why it worked was RDJ being a great Tony Stark. Like imagine what the state of Warner Bros would be like now if the Green Lantern movie was as well received as Iron Man was. Or if they didn't hand the keys to the DC franchise to someone as divisive as Zack Snyder. Iron Man and Blade were some of the first Marvel Movies to move away from the cheese. Until Marvel showed you could do a good superhero movie for all audiences, it was seen as more of a niche thing where you had to play to the comic fans. Generally this was done by upping the camp level. That's how you got stuff like Affleck Daredevil or even some of the Spider-man stuff. This was even in the midst of movies like X-men 2 showing that yes you can have a serious movie that is highly entertaining and gives a great story without pandering. But yeah, for as much of a monster as the MCU has become it helped drive the idea that a comic movie can be for a larger audience (with help from Blade, The Dark Knight and a few others).
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Nov 27, 2022 0:54:07 GMT -5
He's not wrong. People, not me, are gonna go see whatever dumbass superhero movie no matter who it is, because Batman.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Nov 27, 2022 4:48:46 GMT -5
QT definitely has a right to his opinion. And it has been stated in this thread that within every era, you can change the type of movies be critiqued, and filmmaker stating his opinion, and it would be the same thing.
While I am a fan of QT and his films, I swear I watch at least one of them a week while i'm at work at night, he has a style he operates out of as well. Not the same as a big budget spectacle, but his own brand of movies. I mean, he's built a very lucrative glasshouse. He's made movies that were big events. Movies that could have easily been superhero action movies. Well, I should say action/fantasy or adult superhero movies with graphic violence and the n-word spammed like energy blast in dragon ball. Whether you take Jackie Brown, Django, From Dusk Til Dawn, and f***ing Kill Bill, they all are movies that relay on heroes and villains, some more fantastical than others. Hell, he has multiple movies that have had action figures at some point. Speaking of which, i'd love for some updated Kill Bill figures. And some From Dusk Til Dawn vampires for my Blade display. And once again, shout out to Wesley Snipes.
We all have seen movie studios be world class bunglers when can't stay out of their own way. At this point, we should all expect it. Which has long contributed to the current state of films. In wildlife reserves you have to carefully manage what animals are there so that the ecosystems correct itself if need be. Hollywood lost control of a self-sustaining ecosystem a long time ago. Mix that with streaming services and the theater business' love hate relationship with each other. The push to drive the theater business into the dirt in favor of streaming services and want the nasty Wall Street element with how they factor into destabilizing one industry in favor of whatever their next financial pet project is. Not to mention network television not being what it was when there was a built-in cycle in place from the theater to movies process. A lot of stuff happens between concept and finished product.
Now can studios make better decisions when it comes to producing no superhero movies, I doubt it. Because there stuck on stupid. And the bigger conversation has always been the power players behind the scenes who are always neck deep in shenanigans. Some of our most beloved franchises, and potentially great projects all have to make their way through the Hollywood factory. Projects that have to travel the festival circuit face their own battles.
It was also said in this thread that many of the stars that were in Marvel films have become bigger names that have benefitted the smaller films, and projects they've been involved in after. And it's probably given their pre-Marvel projects a boost as well.
QT and Martin Scorsese are masters of aesthetic. They know that one of the main things you need to make us suspend your disbelief is to capture a high level of authenticity to make compelling characters and movies. And within that you have to know what you can effectively exploit along the way. But you still have to go through the Hollywood machine. And sometimes that machine works in your favor and sometimes it doesn't.
I just feel that the conversation has been framed wrong to create an enemy to be the scapegoat instead of it being about the "ecosystem" as a whole. And ecosystems have their own areas of responsibilities to worry about. We can have the same discussion about the Horror genre.
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Post by DoubleDare on Nov 27, 2022 6:13:35 GMT -5
The current state of Hollywood does suck. Where is the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, little miss sunshine type of movies? Hollywood not putting money into non big-blockbuster movies like they were 20 years ago is a big problem. Marvel/Superhero movies got stale to me years ago personally.
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Post by Fade is a CodyCryBaby on Nov 27, 2022 13:38:20 GMT -5
The current state of Hollywood does suck. Where is the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, little miss sunshine type of movies? Hollywood not putting money into non big-blockbuster movies like they were 20 years ago is a big problem. Marvel/Superhero movies got stale to me years ago personally. Yeah, I really appreciated the movie scene during my college years. ‘Bout 2007 - 2012ish. You had a lot of blockbusters AND a lot of great “movie-Movies” for lack of a better term. And all showing at the theater. Comedy was on fire too. But I don’t blame the MCU, again, it’s just the way the industry’s changed. I co-sign on thinking it sucks though.
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Post by DoubleDare on Nov 27, 2022 14:35:10 GMT -5
The current state of Hollywood does suck. Where is the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, little miss sunshine type of movies? Hollywood not putting money into non big-blockbuster movies like they were 20 years ago is a big problem. Marvel/Superhero movies got stale to me years ago personally. Yeah, I really appreciated the movie scene during my college years. ‘Bout 2007 - 2012ish. You had a lot of blockbusters AND a lot of great “movie-Movies” for lack of a better term. And all showing at the theater. Comedy was on fire too. But I don’t blame the MCU, again, it’s just the way the industry’s changed. I co-sign on thinking it sucks though. Yea, its not too fair to blame MCU, they just happen to be the biggest selling movies still. If it wasn't them, then Fast & Furious and other type of movies would just be getting the same blame.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Nov 27, 2022 16:16:50 GMT -5
The current state of Hollywood does suck. Where is the eternal sunshine of the spotless mind, little miss sunshine type of movies? Hollywood not putting money into non big-blockbuster movies like they were 20 years ago is a big problem. Marvel/Superhero movies got stale to me years ago personally. They're still being made. Everything, Everywhere All At Once did really well and was the best movie of the year. The Northman was Robert Eggers biggest budget. Was a good year for horror: Barbarian, The Black Phone, Smile
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Post by Jindrak Mark on Nov 27, 2022 16:39:27 GMT -5
I just don't see why you'd ask these guys about the MCU in the first place. You've got 10 minutes with one of the greatest living directors, quick ask em bout Kang! It was a podcast hosted by a comedian and they were shooting the shit for 90 minutes. Not like an official interview. It was actually a really fun listen. He even joked that he hates being asked about modern films because he doesn't want to give a boring no comment to everything or be fake and give a corporate "I love everything" answer. If he's asked he'll give his honest opinion but he knows some people will get pissed off and make a story of it like they did here. He's got his own podcast now too were he watches and reviews old movies. He says he'd never do it for current movies though because it would just be a headache constantly dealing with backlash if he gives something a bad review. It's not an issue with random B movies from the 60s though because most movie fans don't care about them and the people who made them are probably either dead or don't give a f*** at this point.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Nov 27, 2022 16:58:01 GMT -5
They're still being made. Everything, Everywhere All At Once did really well and was the best movie of the year. The Northman was Robert Eggers biggest budget. Was a good year for horror: Barbarian, The Black Phone, Smile Next year we're getting new movies from Eggers, Christopher Nolan, Francis Ford Coppola, Martin Scorsese, Terrence Malick, Michael Mann, Ridley Scott, David Fincher, Steve McQueen, and Richard Linklater. That's more original movies from heavyweight directors than the slate for Marvel and DC combined.
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