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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 30, 2022 10:38:52 GMT -5
To Simu point, being a “Marvel star” makes you a household name overnight and instant millionaire. Whether that makes you a household name or not for me would be irrelevant. Doors are opened because you are more visible It’s sort of up there with winning an Oscar helps open doors in that regard, regardless if that makes you a household name or not. Like, there wasn’t a chance Marvel would have casted Brie Larson as Captain Marvel if they weren’t able to brag about having a Best Actress winner being in their movie as an example. Yeah, like essentially the Marvel roles have helped do a bunch of things as far as exposure. A previous star like RDJ was able to rehab his image. Meanwhile you got those like Cumberbatch who uses it to finances for what he really wants The brand has built up enough equity from the Actors and movies in that the brand is for sure the label. They could probably put a monkey in a starring role and at least break even tho I doubt they want to test that theory
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Nov 30, 2022 10:42:14 GMT -5
It’s sort of up there with winning an Oscar helps open doors in that regard, regardless if that makes you a household name or not. Like, there wasn’t a chance Marvel would have casted Brie Larson as Captain Marvel if they weren’t able to brag about having a Best Actress winner being in their movie as an example. Yeah, like essentially the Marvel roles have helped do a bunch of things as far as exposure. A previous star like RDJ was able to rehab his image. Meanwhile you got those like Cumberbatch who uses it to finances for what he really wants The brand has built up enough equity from the Actors and movies in that the brand is for sure the label. They could probably put a monkey in a starring role and at least break even tho I doubt they want to test that theory They gave the monkey a Hulu animated series instead.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Nov 30, 2022 10:44:24 GMT -5
To Simu point, being a “Marvel star” makes you a household name overnight and instant millionaire. Whether that makes you a household name or not for me would be irrelevant. Doors are opened because you are more visible More visible, and have the freedom to do what you want the rest of the time. You have multiple projects giving you millions of dollars for the next few years, you can make that little niche indie project you've had your eye on but would never get the money. Which is what basically Benedict Cumberbatch does the Doctor Strange movies for. Bale did Thor because of his kids.
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Post by schma on Nov 30, 2022 10:47:27 GMT -5
Weren't there rumors of Ronda Rousey possibly being up for the role early on or am I thinking of something else? I think you might have been thinking of another role but for the life of me, I can’t remember what role it was for. She was kinda pegged as the next big thing in action movies. Then she did Roadhouse and those offers quietly went away when people realized she couldn't act worth a damn. Oh right she was in the Fast movies too maybe? Then there was her run as Sonya Blade that I don't think I saw anyone happy with.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Nov 30, 2022 11:08:12 GMT -5
God damn, reporters, stop asking directors for comic media hot takes. They’re not interesting anymore. They don’t get these movies. That’s fine. I’m still going to the next Guardians movie and I’ll laugh and probably sob. Unless Scorcese is planning to run up on me and put his dukes up when I’m leaving the theater, their opinions really don’t affect me.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 30, 2022 11:39:45 GMT -5
I think you might have been thinking of another role but for the life of me, I can’t remember what role it was for. She was kinda pegged as the next big thing in action movies. Then she did Roadhouse and those offers quietly went away when people realized she couldn't act worth a damn. Oh right she was in the Fast movies too maybe? Then there was her run as Sonya Blade that I don't think I saw anyone happy with. Did that Roadhouse movie come out!? If so, I need to see how bad that is.
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Post by schma on Nov 30, 2022 12:04:54 GMT -5
She was kinda pegged as the next big thing in action movies. Then she did Roadhouse and those offers quietly went away when people realized she couldn't act worth a damn. Oh right she was in the Fast movies too maybe? Then there was her run as Sonya Blade that I don't think I saw anyone happy with. Did that Roadhouse movie come out!? If so, I need to see how bad that is. I genuinely wasn't sure and had to look it up. It looks like it was announced in 2015 and then plans fell through and it was cancelled in 2016. According to Wikipedia Jake Gyllenhaal is now working on a Roadhouse remake though.
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Post by Cyno on Nov 30, 2022 12:31:42 GMT -5
Ronda Rousey was so f***ing bad as Sonya.
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Post by salz4life on Nov 30, 2022 12:38:11 GMT -5
Did that Roadhouse movie come out!? If so, I need to see how bad that is. I genuinely wasn't sure and had to look it up. It looks like it was announced in 2015 and then plans fell through and it was cancelled in 2016. According to Wikipedia Jake Gyllenhaal is now working on a Roadhouse remake though. Yeah, now that you brought it up, I remember hearing about the Gyllenhaal lead remake a bit ago.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2022 12:06:03 GMT -5
I only just found out about this non-troversy.
As usual, nothing the guy said is wrong, but we have to have a slap fight about it, anyway, largely based around a complete misreading of what a famous director is saying and a desire to ignore criticisms of a cultural status quo.
So, basically, it's Thursday.
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Post by BRV on Dec 1, 2022 13:21:56 GMT -5
He's 100 percent right.
I said the following after the 2021 Academy Awards posted an all-time low rating:
It's still completely accurate. Robert Downey Jr.'s first non-Marvel movie in four years was "Doolittle." It lost Universal nearly $100 million. Chris Hemsworth's venture outside of the MCU was "Men in Black: International," and it lost about $50 million at the box office. And those are some of the bigger names in tentpole movies.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 13:29:25 GMT -5
Those movies were also critically panned and word of mouth spread quickly that they were bad. Those were also franchise movies.
The internet and the Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic effect along with much higher movie ticket prices are much more responsible for that than the MCU. People aren't going to spend over $50 on going to a movie despite who's in it unless they have assurance it's going to be good.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Dec 1, 2022 14:20:43 GMT -5
Those movies were also critically panned and word of mouth spread quickly that they were bad. Those were also franchise movies. The internet and the Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic effect along with much higher movie ticket prices are much more responsible for that than the MCU. People aren't going to spend over $50 on going to a movie despite who's in it unless they have assurance it's going to be good. Yup, take Hemsworth, MIB failed, Rush did really well, and is a fantastic film. You can't slap a name on trash and people will see it, there has to be SOME quality. That applies to the MCU too, the less well regarded ones generally took in less money, though I'll go to bat for the first Captain America film.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 1, 2022 15:21:26 GMT -5
I think you might have been thinking of another role but for the life of me, I can’t remember what role it was for. She was kinda pegged as the next big thing in action movies. Then she did Roadhouse and those offers quietly went away when people realized she couldn't act worth a damn. Oh right she was in the Fast movies too maybe? Then there was her run as Sonya Blade that I don't think I saw anyone happy with. Roadhouse didn't actually come out. She was booked for that before her first loss when she was still the baddest woman on the planet and had mainstream name value. she was in the Expendables 3.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 1, 2022 15:23:12 GMT -5
He’s not wrong. Affleck being Batman caused all kinds of bitching and moaning. Then it made it like a billion dollars. No movie with Affleck as Batman made a billion. Batman v Superman 843 mil worldwide. Justice League 657 mil worldwide. Yeah, the fact that neither made a Billion is kinda the reason Snyder was booted out of power.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 1, 2022 15:37:20 GMT -5
All I’ll say about the “make more middle movies” controversy is yes, I do want to see more non-tentpole movies getting major studio support.
I just believe that it’s inevitable and only a matter of time. People always want something fresh.
Just because comic and geek culture is having a moment doesn’t mean they’ll be as omnipresent in marketing a decade from now. I’m just patient.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 15:39:20 GMT -5
BvS and the theatrical cut of Justice League also had some of the steepest drops from week 1 to week 2 in that particular point of cinema history. BvS in particular easily could've broken $1 billion if most of the word of mouth coming out of it wasn't "shit sucks bro."
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Post by Feyrhausen on Dec 1, 2022 15:45:40 GMT -5
No movie with Affleck as Batman made a billion. Batman v Superman 843 mil worldwide. Justice League 657 mil worldwide. Yeah, the fact that neither made a Billion is kinda the reason Snyder was booted out of power. Wonder Woman made almost as much as Batman v Superman but its budget was also 100 mil less. And its Wonder Woman, recognizable sure but not your two biggest names in one film. And then after the fiasco of Justice League Aquaman surpasses them all by a wide margin. The film that other than some casting Snyder had the least influence on.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 1, 2022 21:50:18 GMT -5
All I’ll say about the “make more middle movies” controversy is yes, I do want to see more non-tentpole movies getting major studio support. I just believe that it’s inevitable and only a matter of time. People always want something fresh. Just because comic and geek culture is having a moment doesn’t mean they’ll be as omnipresent in marketing a decade from now. I’m just patient. Not saying you're wrong, but I'm afraid it's going to take a major shift in the industry to get to that point, one that I doubt is coming any time in the immediate future. Getting it to a lesser degree with video games, too, where the gap between what exists between AAA titles and indie games feels like it gets emptier all the time.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 21:55:52 GMT -5
All I’ll say about the “make more middle movies” controversy is yes, I do want to see more non-tentpole movies getting major studio support. I just believe that it’s inevitable and only a matter of time. People always want something fresh. Just because comic and geek culture is having a moment doesn’t mean they’ll be as omnipresent in marketing a decade from now. I’m just patient. Not saying you're wrong, but I'm afraid it's going to take a major shift in the industry to get to that point, one that I doubt is coming any time in the immediate future. Getting it to a lesser degree with video games, too, where the gap between what exists between AAA titles and indie games feels like it gets emptier all the time. It's probably because I care more about the video game industry than the film industry, but that divide is already plenty noticeable there. Granted it does seem like Japan allows for more of those lower-middle of the road games from even the big publishers. But in the West, it's either indie or AAA with practically nothing in between.
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