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Post by schma on Dec 1, 2022 22:03:23 GMT -5
She was kinda pegged as the next big thing in action movies. Then she did Roadhouse and those offers quietly went away when people realized she couldn't act worth a damn. Oh right she was in the Fast movies too maybe? Then there was her run as Sonya Blade that I don't think I saw anyone happy with. Roadhouse didn't actually come out. She was booked for that before her first loss when she was still the baddest woman on the planet and had mainstream name value. she was in the Expendables 3. Expendables, that must've been the one I was thinking of. I didn't realize Roadhouse didn't happen until I wiki'd it yesterday. I don't think I got around to watching Expendables 3 so that might be why I forgot, that or she's just that bad.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 1, 2022 22:18:21 GMT -5
Expendables, that must've been the one I was thinking of. I didn't realize Roadhouse didn't happen until I wiki'd it yesterday. I don't think I got around to watching Expendables 3 so that might be why I forgot, that or she's just that bad. I mean, she's bad in it, but she's also barely in it. She's part of Stallone's new young team who all promptly get captured and need rescuing by the old team. Honestly, the only time I can remember Ronda being any good in a role was when she played herself in the Entourage movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2022 4:26:08 GMT -5
He's got a point to a degree. As huge as those movies are most of the actors aren't massive bankable stars outside those roles. As big as Han Solo and Indiana Jones were, Harrison Ford was also famous for being Harrison Ford and his name could draw big audiences to non-franchise stuff he was doing. A lot of these actors aren't that popular away from of their Marvel characters if you look at how their other movies do. Like my mother is a casual celeb culture and superhero fan. I've watched most of the big Marvel movies over the past decade and definitely all of the Avengers ones. If I put a gun to her head though I don't think she could actually name any of the main Avengers actors real names outside of Robert Downey jr and Scarlett Johansson. Your Jeremy Renner's and Tom Hiddleston's aren't big box office draws the way the biggest movie stars 20 years were. Like it used to be a thing that people would be like "I'm going to see the new Arnold/Will Smith/Bruce Willis/Tom Hanks/Leo/Denzel movie" but that doesn't happen as much now. The Rock is probably one of the only modern actors who has that power actually. Nowadays it feels more like "I'm going to see the new Marvel/DC/Star Wars" movie ahead of any single actor being the main selling point. To add to this and I’m not scrolling through four pages to see if someone said the same thing. Not only is it actors, it’s also directors, which is probably why he and other name directors are so hurt about it. Tarantino, Scorsese, used to pull crowds on their names alone, even Nolan or Pixar films in recent years, but after a few lukewarm films or coming off as pretentious. The days of going to see film because of who made the general audiences just don’t care anymore. Unless it’s something like Jordan Peele but his films are niche and wouldn’t have the biggest crowds to begin with. Heck Spielberg has a film coming out, looks like a love letter to his childhood, but I doubt it makes 100 million.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 2, 2022 9:31:43 GMT -5
He's got a point to a degree. As huge as those movies are most of the actors aren't massive bankable stars outside those roles. As big as Han Solo and Indiana Jones were, Harrison Ford was also famous for being Harrison Ford and his name could draw big audiences to non-franchise stuff he was doing. A lot of these actors aren't that popular away from of their Marvel characters if you look at how their other movies do. Like my mother is a casual celeb culture and superhero fan. I've watched most of the big Marvel movies over the past decade and definitely all of the Avengers ones. If I put a gun to her head though I don't think she could actually name any of the main Avengers actors real names outside of Robert Downey jr and Scarlett Johansson. Your Jeremy Renner's and Tom Hiddleston's aren't big box office draws the way the biggest movie stars 20 years were. Like it used to be a thing that people would be like "I'm going to see the new Arnold/Will Smith/Bruce Willis/Tom Hanks/Leo/Denzel movie" but that doesn't happen as much now. The Rock is probably one of the only modern actors who has that power actually. Nowadays it feels more like "I'm going to see the new Marvel/DC/Star Wars" movie ahead of any single actor being the main selling point. To add to this and I’m not scrolling through four pages to see if someone said the same thing. Not only is it actors, it’s also directors, which is probably why he and other name directors are so hurt about it. Tarantino, Scorsese, used to pull crowds on their names alone, even Nolan or Pixar films in recent years, but after a few lukewarm films or coming off as pretentious. The days of going to see film because of who made the general audiences just don’t care anymore. Unless it’s something like Jordan Peele but his films are niche and wouldn’t have the biggest crowds to begin with. Heck Spielberg has a film coming out, looks like a love letter to his childhood, but I doubt it makes 100 million. Yeah in Spielberg's case, he is one of the biggest-if not maybe legit contender for biggest director in the world, and it blows my mind The Fablemans (which is a excellent movie btw) barely got any promotion or attention . It says a lot that the man who arguably created or at the very least ushered the blockbuster era now can barely get any publicity for his own movie. That is perhaps the biggest issue at the moment is that theaters are mainly dominated specifically by just brand titles or whatever big company like Disney will want to promote. It is easy to write off any issue towards the MCU as just being a "hater" but there are some sound points Scorsese made even at the time of when this all started off.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 2, 2022 18:47:56 GMT -5
To add to this and I’m not scrolling through four pages to see if someone said the same thing. Not only is it actors, it’s also directors, which is probably why he and other name directors are so hurt about it. Tarantino, Scorsese, used to pull crowds on their names alone, even Nolan or Pixar films in recent years, but after a few lukewarm films or coming off as pretentious. The days of going to see film because of who made the general audiences just don’t care anymore. Unless it’s something like Jordan Peele but his films are niche and wouldn’t have the biggest crowds to begin with. Heck Spielberg has a film coming out, looks like a love letter to his childhood, but I doubt it makes 100 million. Yeah in Spielberg's case, he is one of the biggest-if not maybe legit contender for biggest director in the world, and it blows my mind The Fablemans (which is a excellent movie btw) barely got any promotion or attention . It says a lot that the man who arguably created or at the very least ushered the blockbuster era now can barely get any publicity for his own movie. That is perhaps the biggest issue at the moment is that theaters are mainly dominated specifically by just brand titles or whatever big company like Disney will want to promote. It is easy to write off any issue towards the MCU as just being a "hater" but there are some sound points Scorsese made even at the time of when this all started off. I imagine part of that stems from West Side Story falling flat on its face and losing a ton of money in the process. Which, like, yeah, of course it did, it was a movie exclusively marketed at an older market in the middle of the pandemic that was probably going to struggle to do well to begin with since it was a completely pointless remake of a musical that's spent most of the past few decades being a pop culture punchline, but given Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it.
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Post by eJm on Dec 3, 2022 6:05:46 GMT -5
Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it. If Disney thought they marketed West Side Story well, I have a Bridge in Brookyln I’d like to sell him. Even with Iger’s “cut down” salary, dude can afford it.
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Post by tntchamp on Dec 3, 2022 10:10:36 GMT -5
Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it. If Disney thought they marketed West Side Story well, I have a Bridge in Brookyln I’d like to sell him. Even with Iger’s “cut down” salary, dude can afford it. Not to get off topic but It is a shame West Side Story bombed so badly as I thought it was a great movie and maybe my favorite of last year and for that matter superior to the original. However yeah it was not marketed well at all and in general it just seems like musicals are not box office draws atm. The movie coming out the same time as Spider man No way home didn't do it any favors either.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 3, 2022 11:08:34 GMT -5
Movie musicals have a pretty rotten reception critically and commercially the past few decades with only a few exceptions like Chicago and In The Heights bucking the trend. Absolute bombs like Cats didn't help this at all recently.
In top of that, pandemic era movies are all going to perform poorly considering the situation.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Dec 3, 2022 14:46:54 GMT -5
If DC can't nail the superhero musical with Joker: Folie à Deux, maybe Disney can succeed by doing a musical movie remake of Avengers 1.
Or why not try to remake as a movie a superhero musical that wasn't all that great the first time, like Turn Off the Dark?
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Post by King Boo on Dec 3, 2022 14:53:19 GMT -5
Those movies were also critically panned and word of mouth spread quickly that they were bad. Those were also franchise movies. The internet and the Rotten Tomatoes/Metacritic effect along with much higher movie ticket prices are much more responsible for that than the MCU. People aren't going to spend over $50 on going to a movie despite who's in it unless they have assurance it's going to be good. Yup, take Hemsworth, MIB failed, Rush did really well, and is a fantastic film. You can't slap a name on trash and people will see it, there has to be SOME quality. That applies to the MCU too, the less well regarded ones generally took in less money, though I'll go to bat for the first Captain America film. I love the first Cap movie.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 3, 2022 15:04:57 GMT -5
Yeah in Spielberg's case, he is one of the biggest-if not maybe legit contender for biggest director in the world, and it blows my mind The Fablemans (which is a excellent movie btw) barely got any promotion or attention . It says a lot that the man who arguably created or at the very least ushered the blockbuster era now can barely get any publicity for his own movie. That is perhaps the biggest issue at the moment is that theaters are mainly dominated specifically by just brand titles or whatever big company like Disney will want to promote. It is easy to write off any issue towards the MCU as just being a "hater" but there are some sound points Scorsese made even at the time of when this all started off. I imagine part of that stems from West Side Story falling flat on its face and losing a ton of money in the process. Which, like, yeah, of course it did, it was a movie exclusively marketed at an older market in the middle of the pandemic that was probably going to struggle to do well to begin with since it was a completely pointless remake of a musical that's spent most of the past few decades being a pop culture punchline, but given Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it. Huh?
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Post by eJm on Dec 3, 2022 15:07:36 GMT -5
I imagine part of that stems from West Side Story falling flat on its face and losing a ton of money in the process. Which, like, yeah, of course it did, it was a movie exclusively marketed at an older market in the middle of the pandemic that was probably going to struggle to do well to begin with since it was a completely pointless remake of a musical that's spent most of the past few decades being a pop culture punchline, but given Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it. Huh? It’s a weird way of spelling “Rent”, I’ll give them that.
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Post by HMARK Center on Dec 3, 2022 15:10:56 GMT -5
It’s a weird way of spelling “Rent”, I’ll give them that. Yeah, West Side Story is literally considered a masterpiece, written by Leonard freaking Bernstein, so no idea what that refers to.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 3, 2022 15:14:36 GMT -5
I imagine part of that stems from West Side Story falling flat on its face and losing a ton of money in the process. Which, like, yeah, of course it did, it was a movie exclusively marketed at an older market in the middle of the pandemic that was probably going to struggle to do well to begin with since it was a completely pointless remake of a musical that's spent most of the past few decades being a pop culture punchline, but given Iger went on the record talking about how they did a great job promoting it I'm guessing Spielberg's reputation took a hit within the industry for it. Huh? I like it a lot myself but I feel like pretty much the entire broader perception it has among non-musical fans is basically, "Look, they're gang members who are dancing, how goofy!"
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2022 15:51:07 GMT -5
I love the first Cap movie. Easily a top ten MCU film for me. It's extremely underrated.
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Post by King Boo on Dec 3, 2022 15:55:55 GMT -5
I love the first Cap movie. Easily a top ten MCU film for me. It's extremely underrated. I think it's one that may need to grow on people over time. I know that's what happened for me, and now it's solidly in my upper tier of MCU movies.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2022 16:09:43 GMT -5
I think it's one that may need to grow on people over time. I know that's what happened for me, and now it's solidly in my upper tier of MCU movies. I've always liked The Rocketeer, and First Avenger strikes very much the same tone, albeit with the bells and whistles one has come to expect from the MCU.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 10, 2022 14:04:11 GMT -5
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 10, 2022 14:05:56 GMT -5
Old bitches should be charged a tax for breathing.
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Post by thechase on Dec 10, 2022 14:07:02 GMT -5
Kick Wakanda's ass James.
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