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Post by FinalGwen on Dec 1, 2022 15:32:59 GMT -5
While the Panda guy seems like a dick, seems like the real villains here are Nintendo, who did a 'I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further' type move so they can rinse every single penny they can out of a 21 year old game that they no longer sell, screwing the community over in the process.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 15:46:47 GMT -5
Wait this tournament is still for Melee? I thought most of the Smash community moved on to Ultimate.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 16:27:10 GMT -5
While the Panda guy seems like a dick, seems like the real villains here are Nintendo, who did a 'I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further' type move so they can rinse every single penny they can out of a 21 year old game that they no longer sell, screwing the community over in the process. In general it does kind of seem like Nintendo does not catch anywhere near enough shit for how much they blatantly hate every single person who buys their products.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 1, 2022 16:53:52 GMT -5
I've really just never particularly had it in me to have much sympathy for people who play games for a living in general? Like cool, you get paid to do what people do for free everywhere while not having any actual measurable effect on a game's success because routinely you get stuff like Mortal Kombat that has virtually no tournament presence but makes massive amounts of money regardless yet expecting companies to throw you money for it for some reason. I kind of just see the whole eSports thing as a weird dumb eccentricity that's volatile by its very nature and foolish to try to make a living off of. Like this other force strong-arming them into being shut down sucks and all but I'm also just kind of like, "Yeah, this shit happens in this scene all the time, it's not good but that's what you signed up for." Personally, I find the whole concept of "a real job" and all that kind of offputting and think that if your livelihood is on the line, thats legitimate. And yeah Melee players make next to nothing lol so they're definitely in it for the love of the game and just trying to make some sort of barely there living at the same time. Because you have to travel to tournaments so its kind of a big commitment.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 1, 2022 16:54:17 GMT -5
Wait this tournament is still for Melee? I thought most of the Smash community moved on to Ultimate. It was for both.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 1, 2022 16:56:26 GMT -5
Wait this tournament is still for Melee? I thought most of the Smash community moved on to Ultimate. Melee’s online capability tends to receive more praise than Ultimate’s. That and many fans say its gameplay/tech has more variety. But I put more time in Brawl than either one and I’m mainly a Street Fighter guy to start with so I’m not exactly a Smash expert (though I do casually enjoy it, I main Fox, Marth and Sonic when I pick up Ultimate).
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 1, 2022 16:56:52 GMT -5
While the Panda guy seems like a dick, seems like the real villains here are Nintendo, who did a 'I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further' type move so they can rinse every single penny they can out of a 21 year old game that they no longer sell, screwing the community over in the process. The fact that most of the community is more mad at Panda, when Nintendo was already seen as an enemy of the Smash community while Panda was largely seen as an ally, says something to me, but I respect this perspective.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 1, 2022 17:12:48 GMT -5
While the Panda guy seems like a dick, seems like the real villains here are Nintendo, who did a 'I am altering the deal, pray I do not alter it further' type move so they can rinse every single penny they can out of a 21 year old game that they no longer sell, screwing the community over in the process. In general it does kind of seem like Nintendo does not catch anywhere near enough shit for how much they blatantly hate every single person who buys their products. What? How dare you! Please purchase a new $79.99 pair of Joycons to show Mario how sorry you are.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 1, 2022 17:26:25 GMT -5
Y'alls priorities are crazy here lol. This is some absolutely nefarious corporate skullduggery and basically literal racketeering, careers being ruined and the Smash scene possibly dying, and you're worried about a personal dislike of Leffen (who had a good, level headed take about this situation btw) and an imagined boogeyman of grooming being an ongoing problem in the community. Absolutely bonkers shit. How you can even jokingly support what Panda has done here is beyond me. Deeply disgusted by the reaction I'm getting here. Is it ok if I hope they both fail miserably and someone else just does it? Who is the "both" here I'm a bit confused? Panda/Nintendo and... the people who were running Smash World Tour? As far as I know the only people who have a problem with SWT's TOs is Technicals and his followers. And Technicals is a homophobe, ableist, and hypocrite (defends known predator ZeRo but considers himself the moral crusader of the Smash community for going after Nairo, who despite his unbanning doesn't even attend events and has no intention of doing so) so I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Dec 1, 2022 17:33:14 GMT -5
Is it ok if I hope they both fail miserably and someone else just does it? Who is the "both" here I'm a bit confused? Panda/Nintendo and... the people who were running Smash World Tour? As far as I know the only people who have a problem with SWT's TOs is Technicals and his followers. And Technicals is a homophobe, ableist, and hypocrite (defends known predator ZeRo but considers himself the moral crusader of the Smash community for going after Nairo, who despite his unbanning doesn't even attend events and has no intention of doing so) so I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. f*** em all
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Post by jimmyjackezekiel on Dec 1, 2022 17:34:27 GMT -5
In general it does kind of seem like Nintendo does not catch anywhere near enough shit for how much they blatantly hate every single person who buys their products. What? How dare you! Please purchase a new $79.99 pair of Joycons to show Mario how sorry you are. Any 3rd Party brand Joy Cons that don't drift on the market? Mine have a drift problem but I don't want to buy another pair if I just have to replace them in a few years again.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 17:34:45 GMT -5
Wait this tournament is still for Melee? I thought most of the Smash community moved on to Ultimate. Melee’s online capability tends to receive more praise than Ultimate’s. That and many fans say its gameplay/tech has more variety. But I put more time in Brawl than either one and I’m mainly a Street Fighter guy to start with so I’m not exactly a Smash expert (though I do casually enjoy it, I main Fox, Marth and Sonic when I pick up Ultimate). Even EVO2k realized it had to move on from Super Turbo eventually. And unlike the SSBM community, they didn't try to mod SF3, Alpha, and 4 into Super Turbo with better graphics or say, banned everything but X-Isms from Alpha 3.
Granted, Capcom generally supports the FGC instead of actively antagonizing SSB competitive players like Nintendo does.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Dec 1, 2022 17:37:06 GMT -5
What? How dare you! Please purchase a new $79.99 pair of Joycons to show Mario how sorry you are. Any 3rd Party brand Joy Cons that don't drift on the market? Mine have a drift problem but I don't want to buy another pair if I just have to replace them in a few years again. My third parties just broke a couple days after Pokemon released, so I ponied up and got legit ones this time. I think the controller type just doesn't work.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 1, 2022 17:37:26 GMT -5
What? How dare you! Please purchase a new $79.99 pair of Joycons to show Mario how sorry you are. Any 3rd Party brand Joy Cons that don't drift on the market? Mine have a drift problem but I don't want to buy another pair if I just have to replace them in a few years again. The Split Pad Pro's a very good fallback option. You can't use them detached from the console and they don't have motion controls or Amiibo support but they're very good as replacements for general use, with solid grips, a better D-pad, and much higher quality sticks.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 17:40:06 GMT -5
I hate how the Joycons feel even without the stick drift, so I got a Switch Pro controller and never looked back.
If you need a cheaper third party option, 8BitDo makes some quality, affordable controllers. They don't make joycons, but they make a ton of quality traditional controllers that are compatible with the Switch.
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Post by Toates Madhackrviper on Dec 1, 2022 17:42:20 GMT -5
Who is the "both" here I'm a bit confused? Panda/Nintendo and... the people who were running Smash World Tour? As far as I know the only people who have a problem with SWT's TOs is Technicals and his followers. And Technicals is a homophobe, ableist, and hypocrite (defends known predator ZeRo but considers himself the moral crusader of the Smash community for going after Nairo, who despite his unbanning doesn't even attend events and has no intention of doing so) so I'd take anything he says with a grain of salt. f*** em all Could you explain what, in your mind, SWT's TOs have done to deserve this? Because I'm not aware of anything that doesn't come from the absolute worst sources.
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Post by Cyno on Dec 1, 2022 18:03:58 GMT -5
Could you explain what, in your mind, SWT's TOs have done to deserve this? Because I'm not aware of anything that doesn't come from the absolute worst sources. Yeah, like. I have a lot of antipathy towards a lot of the Smash Bros community, especially Melee players. But I really don't get how this isn't seen as anything but a huge, unprovoked dick move by Panda and Nintendo. Unless it comes out the SWT organizers are massive scumbags, I really feel for them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2022 21:23:40 GMT -5
Wait this tournament is still for Melee? I thought most of the Smash community moved on to Ultimate. God forbid you are one of the weirdos who still play vanilla Brawl or even Smash 3DS to this community.
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Post by Lizuka #BLM on Dec 2, 2022 6:35:32 GMT -5
Nintendo put out a statement on the subject -
Them saying they told them they didn't have to cancel the 2022 tournament does kind of add an interesting wrinkle to this.
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Post by Malcolm on Dec 2, 2022 9:48:24 GMT -5
Could you explain what, in your mind, SWT's TOs have done to deserve this? Because I'm not aware of anything that doesn't come from the absolute worst sources. Yeah, like. I have a lot of antipathy towards a lot of the Smash Bros community, especially Melee players. But I really don't get how this isn't seen as anything but a huge, unprovoked dick move by Panda and Nintendo. Unless it comes out the SWT organizers are massive scumbags, I really feel for them. I honestly get the implication that catching innocents in the crossfires of a flamethrower is totally justifiable so long as as alleged "pedophiles and groomers" are nearby.
I've also been noticing the "groomer" accusation being thrown around a lot on the internet by certain people lately...
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